Spiritus Mundi

[elixirmixer]

It is my desire that we come to a correct interpretation and definition of WHICH plane this energy comes from, through a logical breakdown of the planes and our reasonable thought as to the CAUSE of these planes, the energies within them, and their EFFECT when encapsulated in our device

[Andro]

It's NOT from 'a different reality', at least not from a manifest one... But 'realities' are 'born' from it.

We call it by different names, Spiritus Mundi, Astral Light (not to be confused with the astral plane), Chi, Prana, Orgone, etc...

It is neither cause nor effect, yet it can be conceptualized as both. It is not 'love' either. It is unspecified.

It can be loosely compared to an infinite 'reservoir' of UN-manifest potential/possibility, which we can nevertheless manifest alchemically while it still remains unspecified.

All the planes (physical, astral, etc) 'exist' in the realm of the White Sun and are subject to its (bendable) laws, habits or consensus/default 'factory presets'.

There is nothing new under the (White) Sun, which is subject to time, space, cycles, change, cause & effect, etc...

In this realm (of the 'White Sun') we are mostly limited to recombining preexisting building blocks.

EVERYTHING that is perceived as 'novelty' is sourced/downloaded from the aforementioned infinite & UN-manifest 'reservoir' - the so-called 'Black Sun', 'Aqua Permanens' or Primordial/UN-created 'Womb' (which is both the Entry and the Exit to and from any and all realities), from the 'Womb' that lies on the 'other side' (the unjustly infamous 'Sitra Achra'/'סטרא אחרא') of The Veil, to be subsequently fixed into manifestation by/under the 'White Sun'.

Those 'Two' Suns are in fact One Thing, just like the two hemispheres of the brain. When the 'two' are again homogenized and BEEN as One, the Great Work is accomplished.

It is called 'The Operation of The Sun' for good reason.

PS: Its 'Father' is the White Sun & its 'Mother' is the Black Sun (alchemical 'Mercury' is often referred to as 'Luna').

The visible 'Moon' (in the 'sky') can be loosely compared to a 'surrogate mother'. We might do just as well without it

[Awani]

It is a nice model. Linguistically for me, based on my own models and experiences, I think the Black/White should switch place. The reservoir is White. IMO.

[Andro]

What is hot and wet? And what is cold and dry?

The other 2 'elements', which are not Fire/Aesh & Water/Mayim.

[elixirmixer]

The other 2 'elements', which are not Fire/Aesh & Water/Mayim.

Ahhh, this is why I asked this question. So are we saying that SM is created using these two opposing forces. Are we then, relating one with fire, and one with water? Does 'luna' really correspond with water? Is it essential to have all four elements present, or do we designate that fire and water during interplay naturally creates its 4 Square?

[elixirmixer]

I suppose what I mean, is what is the responsibility of art, in this equation?

Are we the fire, the water, neither, or both?

[zoas23]

The other 2 'elements', which are not Fire/Aesh & Water/Mayim.

It is impossible to get tired of you! (now you made me laugh).

Your theory of the White Sun and the Black Sun is... well, I am learning that this is such an amazing key.

[Kiorionis]

Thought I would post this here as well for consideration:

The word "capture" is what the majority of members here use when posting about Spiritus Mundi, when I think the word "condense" is what we should be using instead.

Isn't this just a matter if how one works in the lab?

[Dendritic Xylem]

From a very interesting book...Communication with the Spirit World by Johannes Greber

Have you ever tried to understand how the bodies of living organisms are formed? Consider your own body and its growth! Was it, by any chance, built up by adding on finished substance, as a house is built by placing one stone upon another? You know for yourself that your body was not built up in this way. The body is nothing but od condensed into matter, and this is true of all bodies, not only those of human beings, but also those of animals, plants and minerals. Their growth and their taking material form are subject to those selfsame laws of odic condensation.

Now we still need the answer to the question: where does the od found in air, water and food come from? It comes from the earth, which as a heavenly body possesses an odic mixture and an odic radiation that contain every kind of od required for the support of all living beings on it. The terrestrial od consists of the od peculiar to the earth as a heavenly body; in addition, the earth absorbs into its own odic mixture the odic radiation of all the heavenly bodies within range of the earth. Each of these heavenly bodies has a specific od peculiar to itself, of a nature and composition not found in any other heavenly body. According to the position of those heavenly bodies with respect to the earth, their odic radiation will have a greater or lesser effect upon it, and since the position of the heavenly bodies relative to each other changes every second, the odic radiations sent to the earth by those bodies will vary accordingly. The blending of the od of your earth with that of the heavenly bodies around it is of the greatest importance to life and growth upon the earth.

While explaining the law of odic force, I pointed out that the condensation of od is produced with the aid of powerful currents. The same is true of the dissolution of condensed od. The great masses of od around Mount Sinai were also condensed by such high-voltage currents. It was therefore very dangerous to venture within the field of these high-voltage currents. Hence the Lord forbade the people to approach the mountain. Everyone – human or beast – who ignored the commandment, would surely die. (Exodus 19: 12) This was not an empty threat to instill a fear of God in the people, as you mortals believe. It was rather a justified warning of the lethal danger that naturally and necessarily accompanied any contact with those currents. Just as you call attention to the lethal danger from contact with your terrestrial high-voltage currents by erecting warning signs, so the warning issued to the people of Israel was given for a similar purpose. Only after these currents had been turned off were the people to be allowed to ascend the mountain. The Lord announced when this would be with the following words: ‘Only when the ram’s horn is sounded, then may they come up to the mountain.’ (Exodus 19: 13) Only those whom the Lord had authorized to enter the odic currents, namely Moses and Aaron, could do so before that without danger to their lives. In their case, ‘insulation’ not unlike the kind you use for persons who need to be exposed to high voltages had been provided.

The collection, holding together and condensation of the od was facilitated by the fact that the Ark was in a space enclosed by carpets and a curtain. You, too, when you desire to collect od in quantity and to achieve a high degree of condensation, make use of a so-called ‘cabinet’

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[Schmuldvich]

I've asked a thousand times and I'll ask again... What exactly is spiritus mundi?
The term spiritus mundi is used all over this message board and thrown about all the time, but I do not think anyone who uses the term even knows what it means.
There is a thread 51 pages long on this forum with extraordinarily little relevant info. I've read every page.
Yes, I know its properties, what it does, and what it is used for, but what exactly is it?

It's an ill-defined, vague "something" that is supposed to be found everywhere, but paradoxically not seen, smelled or touched by anyone, except those few who pretend they know how to "condense" it. It's sort of like the obsolete and paradoxical "phlogiston" concept that many old chemists from the 18th century used in their attempts to try to "explain" why animal and vegetable matters burned, and why metals and minerals calcined. It only existed in their imagination, though. The phenomena that they were observing are very real, no doubts about it, but it had nothing to do with that hypothetical substance they invented in their efforts at trying to rationalize observable empirical facts. Lavoisier gave a death-blow to the "phlogiston" concept by coming up with a more logical one that fitted the observed phenomena better, namely: the invisible, but measurable/detectable by other means, gas oxygen (the "culprit" behind why for centuries no one had been able to explain combustion and calcination in a totally satisfactory manner.) I am willing to bet anything that you can do exactly the same with the equally fictitious "Spiritus Mundi" that no one has ever seen, smelled or touched either. Some alchemy enthusiasts try to attribute all sorts of things to this imaginary "thing", but I am pretty confident that more logical and satisfactory explanations regarding the Stone and all other types of transmutations will one day be found elsewhere than this ghost-like & vague "something" that no one has ever seen, smelled or touched.

It is touchable, visible... It is possible to smell it, drink it, etc.
It is also perfectly described in some texts of the 1600 and 1700. It is not a "concept", but something that ANY person can perceive with the 5 senses when it has been captured / condensed / whatever. No "metaphysical powers" are needed to see it or touch it.
I still don't get how you arrived to these assumptions.

Zoas, you were specifically one of the people I was referring to in my above comment about "using the term but not knowing what it means". According to you, spiritus mundi can be touched, seen, smelled, drank, etc. You say spiritus mundi is "perfectly described" in some texts yet provide no references to such texts, authors, or passages. Do you know what spiritus mundi is?

We get to these "assumptions" because, just like many others here, we have read every Alchemy text available in English that we could get our hands on. I'm sure you have read all of these texts and more! The difference between JDP & I, and elixirmixer & yourself, is that JDP & I do not claim to possess or even know what spiritus mundi is. Just like you, we do know its claimed properties and facets, but we do not claim to ever have "condensed" it or even know how to! We do not pretend to know what spiritus mundi is.

I dont think that Zoas and I are the only ones that have suggested that we are privy to something a little different and a bit special.

Obviously Schmuldvich, you wish to know how to create this substance, hence your always talking about it...

And many here have shared enough for you to learn how to do it. Even though it was not long ago that I was in your shoes, doing the pestering, now, I'm giving the same spill that was given to me when I sought to have it myself (which ive said already that I dont have any yet) nevertheless, its all in the theory and understanding of hermetic, which, with all your prior learnings Schmuldvich, im sure that you wont be far away...Look towards NATURE Schmuldvich

Zoas and you are not the only two people on this forum who claim to know what spiritus mundi is. Just look through the pages of this thread and you will see many others like yourselves who talk and pretend to know exactly what spiritus mundi is yet provide no substance to your words.

What exactly do you mean, "Look towards NATURE"?

It is easy to sit behind a keyboard and tell someone on the other end of the world that you are "privy to something different and a bit special", but it is a whole other thing to unequivocally back up what you claim. You wrongly assume the reason I always seem to be talking about spiritus mundi is because I wish to know how to create this cryptic substance. No, the reason I always bring it up when braggarts such as yourself speak of spiritus mundi is not because I need the question answered, but is because I want to know if you people actually know what you are talking about or if you and countless others on this forum are merely boasting knowledge of the Mysterious without any solid foundation of Truth (as seems to be the case each and every time spiritus mundi is brought up). Andro has been the only one in this thread who has not only visually demonstrated a sound understanding of spiritus mundi, but is one of the very few people on this message board who appears to have a solid understanding of our Art.