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Thread: Bismuth and Golden Rosicrucian Method to Attract and Collect the Spiritus Mundi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    Thanks alfr. So, is my understanding correct that the author is stating that the mineral is not philosophical bismuth, but actual vulgar bismuth?

    Thanks,
    Illen
    Hi Illen and every one

    Yes he say that but i do not never try this so i read as all you this indication about magnesia-bismut so now we must all together investigation and maybe made some experimentation about this.
    I put of this book more pages translation about more indiction on magnesia-bismuto in future.

    my best regards alfr

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfr View Post
    Hi Illen and every one
    Yes he say that but i do not never try this so i read as all you this indication about magnesia-bismut so now we must all together investigation and maybe made some experimentation about this.
    I put of this book more pages translation about more indiction on magnesia-bismuto in future.
    my best regards alfr
    Hello Alfr,
    Thanks for all your sharing and your efforts for the group.

    I think we are not going to find an alchemical manuscript with the prima materia magnet clearly written.
    We have to consider all the qualities that are described by this matter. Think of what RogerC has often said about it -
    that is the mother of metals. Would this be any different?
    It is not yet a mature metal. That is my thinking. It is not crude bismuth, as much as I love and adore bismuth - it's my favourite metal.
    I wish it was bismuth. It is a Saturn. It's non-toxic. It's diamagnetic. It creates the Sign of the peacock with very little fire. However...
    I would like to explore the following... along the lines of what Solomon Levi has shared:

    "frequently found at Schlackenwald in Boemia"
    The mines in Schlackenwald were tin mines amongst granite.
    Personally, when i see argentite I am reminded of argillaceous earth,
    that is: clay.
    Clay, to me , doesn't fit the criteria spoken of in this document.
    However, I like the line of thinking - what do we find in the following mines:

    Sassonia dans la Selva Ercinia. is... the following place:
    Brocken, Wernigerode, Harz, Germany
    Just to the East of Harz National Park in Germany... (you can look at in on a Google map)
    (in that document, it says that the Prince of the area of Sassonia (Saxony) - guarded this and you needed to know someone to get it - it was so high in demand. (also because it has the metal silver in it)

    Here are more places mentioned in France that have this mineral:
    Close to S. Béat, un Gur excellent ou écume d'or.
    here we see mentioned again the name GUR - so, it is looking less and less likely that it is actually bismuth... or anything mentioned under an actual name.

    Dans le comté de Foix, dans la montagne Cazeret dans la mine d'or le minéral de bismuth le plus beau. In the Foix County, on Mount Cazeret, in the gold mines, the most beautiful bismuth mineral.

    Près de la petite ville Sech, une magnésie supérieure à celle du Piémont.
    In the little town of Sech, a "magnesium" superior to the one found in Piemont.

    Dans les mines à Lourdat mucus d'or, mater d'or et Gur d'or en grande quantité.

    A De Couson, il y a une magnésie délicieuse pour l'art.

    Au Languedoc à Tournon, dans les mines d'or de l'endroit, une délicieuse magnésie (Minera de Bismuth. Ms Darmstadt) bismuth.

    this is also in the gold mines - i am assuming it is in the vulgar gold mines, not philosophical gold mines, as discussed earlier between True Puffer and myself here -
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    Dans les Baronnies de Régens près de Narbonne il y a une mater d'or excellente.

    Près du village de St Jean, et même près de la petit ville il y a une magnésie délicieuse.

    A St Antoine, près de St Aman, la magnésie la plus belle est là.

    En Provence, dans la montagne Mondona il y a trois genres différents : une comme
    celle du Piémont, une magnésie bismuth, une autre magnésie solaire ou Gur solaire
    (miniere rouge d’or).


    So all of these places in France have it.
    It is found in Germany, also Hungary is mentioned.
    These are all the places mentioned in Hyl and Coahyl, and The Mercurius de Mercurio... for the location of the Dew of Heaven. It is still the same thing - the One thing - Gur.

    This, by the way, is another clue...
    Elle est récoltée lorsque le soleil entre dans le Cancer, dès qu'il y à la
    pleine lune, car c'est alors qu'elle change et devient jaune comme l'or
    Moshe's translation - it is harvested when the sun enters into Cancer, when there is a full moon, because it is then that she changes and becomes yellow like gold.

    If that is not allegory, then it is another clue for our matter.

    Would anyone know what minerals are mined from those above mentioned places?
    This may also be a misleading step to do, since it may not even be mentioned - something thrown off, treated with contempt... they use it to make roads. it is thrown out. But perhaps learning more about the items mined in those places in France could lead to more information.

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    Hi every body

    (thaks Moshe)

    Always about bismth? magnesia? argentite di zinco? a page (sorry in french) of the original manuscript Thesaurum Thesaurorum ( it say ) where give some indication where we can found it and the better quality ?

    mabe we can help to descover wath are in reality this matter

    De magnésie et comment la trouver de façon meilleure

    II y a des manières diverses qui portent l'appellation de magnésie : l'une, en mine
    d'argent telle la (minière d’or, Roth Gold erz) pirargirite blanche. Elle semble marron et
    sale et se trouve soit au-dessus, soit au-dessous du métal et elle est appelée
    Saalbrand. Elle est récoltée lorsque le soleil entre dans le Cancer, dès qu'il y à la
    pleine lune, car c'est alors qu'elle change et devient jaune comme l'or. On la trouve
    aussi dans le Piémont, en Ungeria et tout particulièrement en Sassonia dans la Selva
    Ercinia. Cependant, celles qui sont comme le cou de pigeon et de diverses couleurs
    comme un cou azur de pigeon ne peuvent être obtenues autrement que par
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    l'entremise d'un bon ami auprès de la cour de Sassonia car ils ne doivent céder même
    pas une livre de la mine où poasse ce minéral sans la signature même du prince
    électeur de Sassonia. 2 demi-quintaux coûtent 100 talleri car chaque livre du minéral
    contient 1 lot de bon argent. Si l'on veut donc obtenir un tel minéral, le prince
    électeur lui-même doit donner la permission par une signature de sa propre main, ce
    qui après paiement, on peut l'obtenir (le minéral) de la mine. On dit que, près de la
    montagne où l'on trouve ce minéral, est érigée une fourche afin de punir celui qui
    emporte un tel minéral sans permission. Tout cela permet de voir combien la maison
    Sassonia a tenu en estime ce minéral dans le temps et combien il est toujours estimé,
    étant donné les difficultés à le trouver et à l'obtenir.
    Il y a également plusieurs endroits en France où se trouve ce minéral, comme près de
    S. Béat, un Gur excellent ou écume d'or. Dans le comté de Foix, dans la montagne
    Cazeret dans la mine d'or le minéral de bismuth le plus beau. Près de la petite ville
    Sech, une magnésie supérieure à celle du Piémont. Dans les mines à Lourdat mucus
    d'or, mater d'or et Gur d'or en grande quantité. A De Couson, il y a une magnésie
    délicieuse pour l'art. Elle est d'une apparence marron-rouge avec des rayures et de
    nombreuses couleurs. Au Languedoc à Tournon, dans les mines d'or de l'endroit,
    une délicieuse magnésie (Minera de Bismuth. Ms Darmstadt) bismuth.
    Dans les Baronnies de Régens près de Narbonne il y a une mater d'or excellente. Près
    du village de St Jean, et même près de la petit ville il y a une magnésie délicieuse. A
    St Antoine, près de St Aman, la magnésie la plus belle est là.
    En Provence, dans la montagne Mondona il y a trois genres différents : une comme
    celle du Piémont, une magnésie bismuth, une autre magnésie solaire ou Gur solaire
    (miniere rouge d’or).

    my best regarsds alfr
    Last edited by alfr; 02-13-2012 at 01:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moshe View Post
    En Provence, dans la montagne Mondona il y a trois genres différents : une comme
    celle du Piémont, une magnésie bismuth, une autre magnésie solaire ou Gur solaire
    (miniere rouge d’or).

    Miniere rouge d’Or is Pyrargyrite called in German Rotgiiltigerz, which means Red Golden Ore.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrargyrite

    It was often confused with Proustit and even Cinnabar.
    Last edited by True Initiate; 02-13-2012 at 02:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by True Puffer View Post
    Miniere rouge d’Or is Pyrargyrite called in German Rotgiiltigerz, which means Red Golden Ore.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrargyrite
    How very very interesting.

    Pyrargyrite is isostructural with proustite, a silver arsenic sulfide. Isostructural means that the two minerals have the same structure but a different chemistry.
    Ag3SbS3 (silver antimony sulfide)


    note on this page here -it says "Pyrargyrite with quartz."
    and it begins immediately in this document shared by Alfr the following -

    Therefore take 50 pounds of pure zinc argentite without quartz
    a blackish mineral, silver antimony sulfide, AgSbS3, showing, when transparent, a deep ruby-red color by transmitted light; ruby silver: an ore of silver.


    looks like cinnabar.

    Big hug to True Puffer.

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    http://www.mindat.org/min-1408.html

    erythrosiderite? red iron?

    in that french documentary of patrick or whatever is his name, the scientest mention the elixir comes up as this mineral?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZztr...el_video_title go to time: 7:44
    it has subtitles...

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    silberglanz

    Hello, dear friends,

    A. Regarding the "magnesia", the manuscript of Darmstadt, p. 183 (p. 110 left of the pdf) uses the word "silberglanz". Wikipedia informs us that it is the minerals akanthite or argentite. Both have the formula Ag2S.

    B. In the chapter on Magnesia and where to be found, p. 120 of the above Ms (p. 73 right of the pdf), the word used is Weissgolderz, "white gold mineral". (Red gold mineral is pyrargyrite). Literally, this is a mineral composed of gold, silver and tellurium. I do not think our magnesia is this one.

    If the word used in the Ms is a misspelling for Weissgultigerz, old mineralogies say that it is a silver mineral called "minera florenorum alba". Today it is called freibergite and it is a comlex sulfosalt containing metals like Ag, semimetals like Sb and As and sulphur.

    C. Paracelsus, in his "Coelum Phil.", 5th canon, says:"Two kinds of Antimony are found: one the common black, by which Sol is purified when liquefied therein. This has the closest affinity with Saturn. The other kind is the white, which is also called Magnesia and Bismuth."
    I found two antimony ores that are white, valentinite and senarmontite. Both are antimony oxide, so I do not think they are our "magnesia".

    I have not yet arrived in a conclusion, but I think that our magnesia should be a sulfosalt that contains antimony. After all, in the Ms it is stated that one kind of magnesia is indeed pyrargyrite, which is a sulfosalt.

    Thank you,

    Oratius

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    Quote Originally Posted by oratius View Post
    Hello, dear friends,

    A. Regarding the "magnesia", the manuscript of Darmstadt, p. 183 (p. 110 left of the pdf) uses the word "silberglanz". Wikipedia informs us that it is the minerals akanthite or argentite. Both have the formula Ag2S.

    B. In the chapter on Magnesia and where to be found, p. 120 of the above Ms (p. 73 right of the pdf), the word used is Weissgolderz, "white gold mineral". (Red gold mineral is pyrargyrite). Literally, this is a mineral composed of gold, silver and tellurium. I do not think our magnesia is this one.

    If the word used in the Ms is a misspelling for Weissgultigerz, old mineralogies say that it is a silver mineral called "minera florenorum alba". Today it is called freibergite and it is a comlex sulfosalt containing metals like Ag, semimetals like Sb and As and sulphur.

    C. Paracelsus, in his "Coelum Phil.", 5th canon, says:"Two kinds of Antimony are found: one the common black, by which Sol is purified when liquefied therein. This has the closest affinity with Saturn. The other kind is the white, which is also called Magnesia and Bismuth."
    I found two antimony ores that are white, valentinite and senarmontite. Both are antimony oxide, so I do not think they are our "magnesia".

    I have not yet arrived in a conclusion, but I think that our magnesia should be a sulfosalt that contains antimony. After all, in the Ms it is stated that one kind of magnesia is indeed pyrargyrite, which is a sulfosalt.

    Thank you,

    Oratius
    Interesting! Which particular PDF are you referring to, oratius?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    Interesting! Which particular PDF are you referring to, oratius?
    Thesaurus Thesaurorum A Fraternitate Rosae Et Aureae Crucis Testamento

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    Thesaurus Thesaurorum A Fraternitate Rosae Et Aureae Crucis Testamento
    Thanks Andro, but there are several pdf versions floating around (at least two by the past Alleilius - 'Adam Goldsmith'). I was wondering which specific translation/transcription was used.

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