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    some meditations on phonetic cabala

    This is a Phoenix-thread from the old site.

    mercury, mercurius.
    we run into "cur" again with Triumphal Chariot of Antimony - currus = car, chariot.
    I'm cur-ious what this root signifies.
    Curr means "running", "flowing" - like quicksilver.
    mer- curius = running sea.
    Could currus be related to ceruse?
    cur also = Ker, her as in Horus, Heru.
    Currency could be salt, salary.
    Isn't it funny: Pierre Currie and Marie Currie - stone and sea...
    Could that be coincidence?

    Char-iot - iot = jot or iota which in greek cabala is 10 and corresponds to the sun.
    a jot or iota is also something extremely small, like m-state.

    triumphal = tri-omphalos? three navels?


    sal, sel = salt
    salus, salut = health
    salem, shalom = peace
    salve, salvation.
    sel = seal
    sel... selene/moon, selenium?
    salamandre - the salt that survives the fire


    adamah - the red earth = rouge terre = rooster = coq
    saltpeter
    is it intentional that cock and peter are slang for penis?
    Salt of/from the penis = urine

    lapis philosophorum...
    philo or fila/filum
    svf, souffre, sulphur, suffer, sous fer..
    aurum

    philosopher = philo - svf - aur
    familiar with Kabbalah? Ain svf aur?
    lovers of endless/limitless light = philosopher
    Quote Originally Posted by BeautifulEvil
    How very odd, I've been thinking about the same thing lately!

    mer- curius = running sea.
    I'm sure you're spot on with this analysis.

    Isn't it funny: Pierre Currie and Marie Currie - stone and sea...
    Could that be coincidence?
    It is a funny 'coincidence' huh? I'm wondering if this is just a case of changing one's name, or perhaps it was fate? Either way, they were the pioneers of radioactive work, and also radium. Radium was extracted from coal/pitchblende.

    Cury = cure

    The sea carries the cure.
    philosopher = philo - svf - aur
    familiar with Kabbalah? Ain svf aur?
    lovers of endless/limitless light = philosopher
    This is good!

    ----

    Rosicrucian:
    Ros = dew, moisture
    Crux = cross/salt/crucible
    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi
    Fulcanelli said that if we take into consideration what he said about epiphany cakes
    and if we know why the egyptians worshipped cats, then the name of the first matter
    would be obvious.

    Well, I read once that egyptians worshipped or loved cats because they say "IAO" -
    meow or mew.
    IAO is one of the gnostic names for god.

    I found another gnostic connection -
    Basil Valentine - Basilides and Valentinus: two fathers of gnosticism.
    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi
    Yeah, my intuition tells me that curr must have something to do with salt.
    sea salt - we've seen two methods to make the stone from sea salt in an old thread.

    I also want to explore
    first matter - first mother = eve or lilith
    Eve = living.
    Lilith - lily.
    Quote Originally Posted by BeautifulEvil
    Eve:

    From Ancient Greek Εὕα (Heua) < Hebrew חַוָּה (havah) = 'life; living one; lively; giving life'.

    * Danish: Eva
    * Finnish: Eeva
    * French: ve
    * German: Eva
    * Italian: Eva
    * Norwegian: Eva
    * Spanish: Eva
    * Swedish: Eva

    -----

    Eve, Eva, Evo, Evi, Evu, Evy
    Ave, Ava, Avo, Avi, Avu, Avy
    Ove, Ova, Ovo, Ovi, Ovu, Ovy
    Ive, Iva, Ivo, Ivi, Ivu, Ivy
    Uve, Uva, Uvo, Uvi, Uvu, Uvy
    Yve, Yva, Yvo, Yvi, Yvu, Yvy

    Run these through an etymology search engine (I like to use www.wiktionary.org) and you should be able to find a few interesting things. Tack one of these consonants (h,v,b,d,f,p,w) onto the beginning and/or end of each word, and you'll be able to extend your phonetic search possibilities. You can also mutate the middle 'v' to obtain a slew of new possibilities. For instance, change it to 'u.'

    For example:

    Heve, Heva, Hevo, Hevi, Hevu, Hevy
    Have, Hava, Havo, Havi, Havu, Havy
    Hove, Hova, Hovo, Hovi, Hovu, Hovy
    Hive, Hiva, Hivo, Hivi, Hivu, Hivy
    Huve, Huva, Huvo, Huvi, Huvu, Huvy
    Hyve, Hyva, Hyvo, Hyvi, Hyvu, Hyvy

    Eveh, Evah, Evoh, Evih, Evuh, Evyh
    Aveh, Avah, Avoh, Avih, Avuh, Avyh
    Oveh, Ovah, Ovoh, Ovih, Ovuh, Ovyh
    Iveh, Ivah, Ivoh, Ivih, Ivuh, Ivyh
    Uveh, Uvah, Uvoh, Uvih, Uvuh, Uvyh
    Yveh, Yvah, Yvoh, Yvih, Yvuh, Yvyh

    Heveh, Hevah, Hevoh, Hevih, Hevuh, Hevyh
    Haveh, Havah, Havoh, Havih, Havuh, Havyh
    Hoveh, Hovah, Hovoh, Hovih, Hovuh, Hovyh
    Hiveh, Hivah, Hivoh, Hivih, Hivuh, Hivyh
    Huveh, Huvah, Huvo, Huvih, Huvuh, Huvyh
    Hyveh, Hyvah, Hyvo, Hyvih, Hyvuh, Hyvyh

    There are still countless other possibilities.
    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi
    magnesia

    ens magia, mia sange, mens gaia, signe ama, amn aegis, I am agnes, 'G' amnesia


    the official black madonna: melissa officianalis (mel-issa)
    or honey of Isis.


    sabot - sabbath - saturday - lead
    Quote Originally Posted by phliosehea
    Not to beat a dead horse, but I figured some of you might be interested in how I came to certain conclusions regarding the cross. Whether or not it happens?...well, I guess we'll see. For some reason I feel like it's ok to show you the method I used. There are certain things I'm still not comfortable discussing- but suffice to say Fulcanelli (whoever that may be)- dropped enough hints regarding this method. It is a Greek cross with Latin script...so naturally we apply Greek phonetics/words because if we are to discover any pertinent information you have to follow the rules of "diplomacy". This method is called the grimoire noir by d'Orcet. The X in the middle of OCRUX... is mutable out of its normal phonetic base- aside from kappa (K) xi (Ξ ξ) and khi (X) it is also capable of zeta (Ζ ζ) and sigma (Σ σ ς). Fulcanelli draws attention to this saying "The letter S, which takes on the curving shape of a snake, corresponds to the Greek khi (X) and takes over its esoteric meaning." Further mutations are found in the "V" in AVES which has been purposefully connected to the A and bears resemblance to the Old Latin upper case "U"...and with that you discover "KAU..." words. Some of the info could be and most likely is wrong...only the future will tell if any of it is right at all. Words that I feel are the most likely; will have a higher percentage of consonants sounds found on the cross (words like (sunekkaio) - to set on fire together). Obviously all vowel/diphthong sounds are mutable and flow like water. This includes multiple vowels in place of one...("a" or "ei" or "aio" etc...).




    OCRUXAVES
    USA

    OCRUXAVES
    CRUX-Latin for Cross
    X transitions to S for phonetic sound to Crucis
    RUSA
    Ρωσία (Rosia)
    Russia

    OCRUXAVES
    A and V are connected on the cross (my guess is that the V is also an old form Latin U)
    καυσος (kausos) a burning. And καύσων (kauson) a burning heat "eventually derived into English cauterize"

    OCRUXAVES
    καύκᾰσος (Kaukasos) Mt. Caucasus (which is in the country of Georgia)

    OCRUXAVES
    έξι (exi) six

    OCRUXAVES
    ρακα (raka) word expressive of utter contempt

    OCRUXAVES
    χράω (chrao) scrape, graze, wound slightly (on/of the surface), to fall upon, attack, assail, to inflict upon a person, to be bent on doing, to be eager to do

    OCRUXAVES
    X to Z (ss) sound
    ῥοῖζος (roizos) whizzing of an arrow

    OCRUXAVES
    κρέκω (kreko) to strike

    OCRUXAVES
    ῥῶσις (rosis) a strengthening, strength

    OCRUXAVES
    κρίσις (krisis) judgment, crisis, attack

    OCRUXAVES
    κρεισσων (kreisson) stronger, mightier- upper hand, better, having power over.

    OCRUXAVES
    Latin V and B can permutate
    οβίς (obis) projectile shell

    OCRUXAVES
    αβασάνιστος (abasanistos) not well thought out

    PESUNICA
    Pes: Latin for foot
    Take the intent of the word to Greek
    πόδι : (podi) word for foot in Greek
    Poti, Georgia

    PESUNICA
    πεζός (pezos) fighters on land "on foot" foot soldier etc...

    PESUNICA
    πἄσι (pasi) all, altogether

    PESUNICA
    πεσσεία (pesseia) game of draughts (checkers)

    PESUNICA
    έξι (eksi) six

    PESUNICA
    συνακοντίζω (sunakontizo) to strike with many javelins.

    PESUNICA
    σίνος (sinos) to hurt, harm, mischief

    PESUNICA
    σίνις (sinis) a ravager a plunderer- destroying

    PESUNICA
    συνεκκαίω (sunekkaio) to set on fire together

    PESUNICA
    νίκη: (niki)- victory, victory in battle

    PESUNICA
    νικώ: (niko)- overcome/defeat

    PESUNICA
    νεκρός: necros- dead/dead person

    PESUNICA
    νέκυς (nekus)- dead body- a corpse

    PESUNICA
    νεκάς (nekas)- a heap of slain

    PESUNICA
    νεικέω (neikeo)- to quarrel or wrangle with, to rail at, revile, upbraid, or abuse

    PESUNICA
    νῠχεύω (nucheuo)- to watch the night through, to pass the night

    PESUNICA
    ἑκάτόν (ekaton)- a hundred

    PESUNICA
    Ἑκάτη (Ekate)- Hecate, Goddess of the crossroads, nature, and child birthing...epithet is the "far darter" or "far shooter"

    PESUNICA
    ἓκᾰτος (ekatos)- far shooting

    PESUNICA
    ὲκκαίω (ekkaio)- to burn out, to light up, to kindle

    PESUNICA
    ὴχήεις (echeis)- sounding, ringing, roaring

    PESUNICA
    Nuke

    PESUNICA
    ἠχώ (echo)- echo

    PESUNICA
    έξι (exi) six

    PESUNICA
    ἕκηα (ekea) derived from (kaio) to light up, to burn, kindle- to burn and destroy


    Hieroglyph of the four ages of man (the circle with the four "A's") can be represented as the Greek letters Φ(phi) and Θ(theta) combined.

    ΦΘ

    And with this we find:
    Φθάνω (fthano- arrive, draw near, become, reach the point of, be reduced to, beforehand)
    Φθίνω (fthino - wane, draw to a close; decline, waste away)
    Φθῑσιμβροτος (fthisimbrotos- destroying or killing men)
    Φθορεύς (fthoreus- destroyer, corrupter)
    Φθόνος (fthonos- ill will, envy, jealousy)
    Φθινόπορο (fthinoporo- autumn)
    Φθείρομαι (ftheiromai- perish)
    Φθῐτός (fthito- the dead)

    Φθέγμα (fthegma - the sound of the voice, a voice)
    ΦΘΕ'ΓΓΟΜΑΙ (Ftheggomai - to utter a sound or voice)
    Φθόγγος (fthoggos - any clear distinct sound, esp. the voice)
    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi
    Wow. That's nice.
    I'm presently reading the book on Hendaye and Fulcanelli by Jay Weider and somebody.
    I'll finish reading and then maybe have some things to share on it.
    Besides that, I'll review your words and give them some contemplation.
    Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by phliosehea
    I talk to Jay quite often, he's a nice guy but I guess my gruff with his research is that he (and Bridges) didn't utilize the cross as much as I believe was intended regarding the warning nature....but he's a pretty intelligent guy. Here's an article he wrote about some of the messages I've sent him. (he gave me the pseudonym of Syphon in the article). Games of Slaughter
    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi
    Autumnal references could be alchemical.
    Autumn - west - evening - Hesperides: where the golden apples/fruit is found.
    The four muses of the Garden of Hesperides are:
    Chrysothemis - "Golden order"
    Asterope - "Star face"
    Hygeia - "Health"
    Lipara - "Shining skin"

    Four other names in connection with these are:
    Aegle - "Dazzling light"
    Erythia - "Red land"
    Hesperia - "Evening star"
    Arethusa - "Water fountain"

    Many of these names are familiar to those who've read Fulcanelli.
    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi
    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi
    Fulcanelli said that if we take into consideration what he said about epiphany cakes
    and if we know why the egyptians worshipped cats, then the name of the first matter
    would be obvious.

    Well, I read once that egyptians worshipped or loved cats because they say "IAO" -
    meow or mew.
    IAO is one of the gnostic names for god.

    I found another gnostic connection -
    Basil Valentine - Basilides and Valentinus: two fathers of gnosticism.
    IAO = Isis, Apophis, Osiris - sort of the three principles of alchemy - mercury, sulphur and salt.

    I've been contemplating why the alchemists refer to god so frequently - donum dei - only revealed by god...
    I had the hunch that maybe the name of the first matter may be similar phonetically to a name of god.
    IAO is one possibility. French for god is 'dieu' - sounds like dew.
    On the note of cats, they also say "Grrrr."
    Gur is the earth precipitated from dew.
    Has anyone worked with Gur?
    Baby Jesus was found in a manger - May gur.
    St. Germaine - gur May

    ???
    Gur also begins with "G" and has that root - gur, curr, ker, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by BeautifulEvil
    I had the hunch that maybe the name of the first matter may be similar phonetically to a name of god.
    IAO is one possibility. French for god is 'dieu' - sounds like dew.
    Quite an interesting observation there Solomon Levi. This is exactly what I've been working on lately.

    I'm using a few of the older names of God: Elohim, Elah, Allah, El, Elyon. What's the phonetic similarity here?

    It's the vowel-L-vowel occurrence.

    Doing a phonetic breakdown and search on this particular phonetic meme yield some interesting results. I'm writing a research paper on this, but it's nowhere near complete.

    I've pasted the beginning word sets right below. I searched for each word on www.wiktionary.org and took the meaning. I haven't began to do any phonetic similarity searches yet - only what's pasted here.

    One L:

    eli, ela, elo, elu, ely, ele
    ali, ala, alo, alu, aly, ale
    ili, ila, ilo, ilu, ily, ile
    oli, ola, olo, olu, oly, ole
    uli, ula, ulo, ulu, uly, ule,
    yli, yla, ylo, ylu, yly, yle
    +
    el, al, il, ol, ul, yl

    Two L’s:

    elli, ella, ello, ellu, elly, elle,
    alli, alla, allo, allu, ally, alle,
    illi, illa, illo, illu, illy, ille,
    olli, olla, ollo, ollu, olly, olle,
    ulli, ulla, ullo, ullu, ully, ulle,
    ylli, ylla, yllo, yllu, ylly, ylle
    +
    ell, all, ill, oll, ull, yll
    ------

    Baby Jesus was found in a manger - May gur.
    St. Germaine - gur May
    You've pointed out another excellent point. Your work gives me much to consider. We all look at these mysteries slightly differently, but it helps us gain new perspectives on different aspects of the work.
    Quote Originally Posted by BeautifulEvil
    Hmm, I came across this just a minute ago.

    Glass (French): Verre
    Quote Originally Posted by horticult
    "L" is the sign for alchemically produced gold. Also L = cca alef-lamed, 31, liber CCXX etc. etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by BeautifulEvil
    "L" is the sign for alchemically produced gold. Also L = cca alef-lamed, 31, liber CCXX etc. etc.
    I've always known deep down that "L" is very important. I mentioned it to philosehea in a private post a while back. It's always been based on intuition though, and I've never really had anything substantial to backup my claims.

    Think of chess. The "knight" or "horse" can only move in the shape of an "L."

    The square or "L" is an ancient reference to builder. The swastika was originally a cross with equal sided arms, but it was transformed by adding a bar on each end to produce the square or "L." This is a reference to the four builders.

    We also have the number 7, Greek gamma Γ, along with Hebrew resh ר + daleth ד (these two just look like L's [the Phonecian/Aramaic/Paleo-Hebrew letters for gimel & lamed are also important]). Actually, I only mention these because they are permutations of "L" (i.e. they're angled differently, different angular orientations). If you want to be a little more precise, then lamed would be the only one of worth.

    The Phonecian letter lamed means "goad." A goad is a stick used to poke an animal. Think of the image of a salamander roasting in a fire while a guy pokes it with a goad. We also have the javelin, spear, pitchfork, and the lance of Longinus. I also believe it could represent a staff. Goad also sound suspiciously like gold (Old English gold, from Proto-Germanic *gul-. Cognate with Dutch goud, German Gold, Swedish guld).

    One more thing: God is represented by the tetragrammaton, or tetragammadion (Greek: τέτραγαμμάδιον). Which would be the cross gammadion, or swastika (each arm resembles the Greek letter Gamma Γ.

    Whew, this post took some work.
    Quote Originally Posted by solomon levi
    The L or 7 also look like Saturn's crutch.
    Saturn - sabbath - the 7th day.
    L/aL - cheumi

    als/hals = salt.
    Last edited by solomon levi; 01-06-2009 at 12:24 AM.

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    I finally understand why the dove is portrayed so often in alchemical symbolism. It's all about phonetics!
    Last edited by Aleilius; 04-05-2009 at 08:23 AM.

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    some more light on mercury.

    merc = mark, imprint; boundary
    ur = light
    phos = light
    urine

    Schwaller spoke of the fixed salt in the body that receives imprints and is
    eternal. It is mainly concentrated in the femur/thigh bone.

    Bones = calcium phosphate
    Bones - saturn
    urine -> microcosmic salt - ammonium sodium hydrogen phosphate

    ammon = zeus - lightning, rain, spittle, urine, semen...

    hermes:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:0007MAN-Herma.jpg


    in latin cabala...

    one thing - uni re

    you must receive the (knowledge of) the prima materia from god, the creator - ex creatori

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    eli, eli... lama sabachthani

    Supposedly christ said this on the cross:
    my lord, my lord... why hast thou forsaken me?

    But doesn't it look like:
    Sun, sun... lame saturn.

    That has lots of implications IMO, considering that he is Chrysos
    nailed to the crux.

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    Some people have considered petroleum another candidate for the prima materia.

    Petro - rock, stone
    oleum - oil

    The distillation of crude oil certainly produces some interesting solvents.
    And this is made from putrefied plants, animals and earth - all three kingdoms.
    Obviously it is a source of great energy, fire, light...

    Carbon, from which petroleum comes, is the source of organic life, all three kingdoms being carbon-based.

    An exploration of the root "gar" http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?...earchmode=none
    reveals some interesting correlations:
    spear - an oft-used symbol in alchemy which pierces the dragon/serpent, sometimes to a tree/oak.
    gargoyle = waterspout; fountain symbolism
    garbage - refuse
    garcon - exiled person
    garden - another popular symbol
    Gargantua - from Rabelais' novel; he understood the cabala/green language.
    garnet - a dark red color
    also carbuncle
    car - chariot - currus, which leads us back to mer-cur-y
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    Originally Posted by BeautifulEvil
    Quote:
    I had the hunch that maybe the name of the first matter may be similar phonetically to a name of god.
    IAO is one possibility. French for god is 'dieu' - sounds like dew.

    Quite an interesting observation there Solomon Levi. This is exactly what I've been working on lately.

    I'm using a few of the older names of God: Elohim, Elah, Allah, El, Elyon. What's the phonetic similarity here?

    It's the vowel-L-vowel occurrence.

    -------------------------------

    Eli/Elie seems to hold some alchemical significance.
    Perhaps you're already aware of that.

    A group assembled around Aor (Schwaller) to study metaphysical things.
    They called themeselves the Watchers (Le Veilleurs). An inner circle of the
    group was called "The Order of Eli" (Ordre d'Elie).
    Aor was also involved in the production of a magazine called "La Colombe"
    (you referenced the dove in an above post).

    Eli is synonymous with Helios, the sun.
    Helix refers to the spiral, like our caducean serpents.
    Elix-ir...

    Another connection is the alchemical messiah figure, Elias Artista.

    El-ias may also correspond with our hermetic champion Iason/Jason and the Golden Fleece.

    Another short leap - il-ias-ter; iliaster - Paracelcian term for spirit/mercury.
    Last edited by solomon levi; 07-04-2009 at 01:32 AM.

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    Another short leap - il-ias-ter; iliaster - Paracelcian term for spirit/mercury.
    Sounds a lot like Aleister! Better yet since his last name was Crowley.

    The best I can come up with in regards to my name: El Elias. At the time I was aware of some of these interesting correspondences (I had been researching this phoneme). I found a number of interesting associations, and I figured I wanted to try and represent these in my name. I just started putting combinations together, and I came up with this.

    I never really intended for it to have a single meaning. I was aware of a number of these connections, but I never based it off any single word.

    Cosmic coincidences I say!
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    I've missed playing with cabala (these are mostly french words) :

    or - gold
    ordinaire - common, vulgar
    ordure - filth, excrement
    origine - origin, fountain, source
    orient - east
    oreillard - hare
    (hare = rabbit - lapin = lapis; remember that emblem with the two guys
    seeking the Philosophers' Stone? One is blind-folded, one is chasing a rabbit/hare)

    ore - the source, the mine
    (mine also means 'look, bearing, expression, appearance, aspect... how about facet? facet one? hee hee! "Pass it on"! hee hee!)
    minerve - brains, sense
    minium - red lead

    lead = sonde
    the roof of a mine = toit
    toit sonde -> toison = fleece
    translation - "the roof, or height, of the lead ore/mineral is the golden fleece"

    fleece -> matted woolens = feutre
    feu - fire
    feuillage - folliage
    foudre - lightning, thunderbolt, also large cask
    fou droyant - fulminating


    gold - chrysos - christ - lamb = agneau
    agni - fire
    eau - water
    agneau - fire water - eshmayim - heaven
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    Here's a thought I had today...

    Sulphur was sometimes called quick-sulphur or living sulphur, just as
    mercury was called quicksilver.
    Living sulphur is phonetically similar to liver of sulphur - an item known
    to dissolve gold.
    It's called hepar sulphuris or liver of sulphur supposedly because of its color
    which is reddish-brown like a liver, but do you know that if left in the air
    it oxidises and becomes green (then eventually white).
    Could this green liv(er)ing sulphur which dissolves gold be the green lion?
    Lion = leo = sun = sulphur.
    Isn't the green lion just premature gold anyway...
    And I've mentioned in the past that the greek for sulphur is theiaphon or
    theioo; theioo has a double meaning... it also means "to make into God, deify". The root also applies to "theios" which means "God" or "divine" and
    also has a connection to helios.
    Helios is of course the sun god, but also means sunlight and sunshine,
    as does "aigle" in greek, which we would say "eagle" - a popular symbol
    in alchemy, sometimes meaning sal ammoniac, sometimes distillation or
    sublimation.

    If you'd like to look into the liver of sulphur further, see here:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=OU5...ulphur&f=false

    BTW - I'm aware that there are other preparations called the green lion (sericon/adrop).
    I'm not suggesting this is THE green lion, but could be one of them.
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