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    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    Just so we don't ruin the experience, I don't think we have to mentally anal-eyes 'happiness'.
    Then why anal-eyes anything at all? Why not just accept your lot? Why have a forum? Why get out of bed?

    It is only a question; if it pains anyone so much to anal-eyes their emotions then they have the “choice”
    to take part in this thread or not.

    I can't force people to answer the question and I am sure many have viewed and left this thread. That is the
    beauty of an open forum.

    At time of writing there are 63 views and 9 replies.

    Sometimes it is difficult to question something if you think you won't like the answer, but fortunately there are
    those that question irrespective of their findings or “emotions”...but that’s another story.

    Perhaps we could keep to the question of the thread and look into the purpose of emotion and how
    we are affected by them...do they control us?

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    Robert Plutchik (21 October 1927 – 29 April 2006) was professor emeritus at the Albert Einstein
    College of Medicine and adjunct professor at the University of South Florida.

    Robert Plutchik's psychoevolutionary theory of emotion is one of the most influential classification
    approaches for general emotional responses. He considered there to be eight primary emotions -
    anger, fear, sadness, disgust, surprise, anticipation, trust, and joy.

    Plutchik proposed that these 'basic' emotions are biologically primitive and have evolved in order to
    increase the reproductive fitness of the animal. Plutchik argues for the primacy of these emotions by
    showing each to be the trigger of behaviour with high survival value, such as the way fear inspires
    the fight-or-flight response.

    Plutchik created a wheel of emotions. This wheel is used to illustrate different emotions compelling
    and nuanced. Plutchik first proposed his wheel model in 1980 to describe how emotions were related.



    He suggested 8 primary bipolar emotions: joy versus sadness; anger versus fear; trust versus disgust;
    and surprise versus anticipation. Additionally, his circumplex model makes connections between the
    idea of an emotion circle and a color wheel. Like colors, primary emotions can be expressed at
    different intensities and can mix with one another to form different emotions.
    Source:

    Notice the absence of “happiness”. I suppose one could substitute joy for happiness, but IMO this is
    not the same. Some people find happiness in all the above emotions, for example when fighting or
    being miserable. This may seem like a contradiction in terms, but look around and I’m sure you will
    discover examples of this. There are those that feel guilt when happy as they feel undeserving.

    Then there are those that are happy, not on their own merits, but when they see others fail. I guess
    that is easier for them to find a higher standing in their group this way than to climb the ladder
    themselves.

    Can dysfunction in neural systems subserving emotion lead, under certain circumstances, to
    more advantageous decisions? To answer this question, we investigated how individuals with
    substance dependence (ISD), patients with stable focal lesions in brain regions related to emotion
    (lesion patients), and normal participants (normal controls) made 20 rounds of investment decisions.
    Like lesion patients, ISD made more advantageous decisions and ultimately earned more money
    from their investments than the normal controls. When normal controls either won or lost money
    on an investment round, they adopted a conservative strategy and became more reluctant to invest
    on the subsequent round, suggesting that they were more affected than lesion patients and ISD by
    the outcomes of decisions made in the previous rounds.
    Source:

    How many irrational crimes are committed simply because of emotion?

    How many wars are fought because of irrational emotion?

    Is it time to eradicate emotion?

    Will future emotions come in pill form?

    If emotions are brought under control will happiness still have its place?

    Ghislain
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    When it comes to what makes you/us happy we can go from simple to complex reasoning to try to understand feelings. Reasoning and ratiocination are functions of thinking; feeling is another function of equal status with thinking. Sensation and intuition are the other two that complete the 4 functions described by Psychiatrist/Gnostic/Alchemist Carl Jung.

    To use the music analogy I prefer the Who to the Beetles. Listen to "Happy Jack" by the Who.

    Songwriters: PETER TOWNSHEND

    Happy Jack wasn't old, but he was a man.
    He lived in the sand at the Isle of Man.
    The kids would all sing, he would take the wrong key,
    So they rode on his head in their furry donkey.

    The kids couldn't hurt Jack,
    They tried, tried, tried.
    They dropped things on his back,
    They lied, lied, lied, lied, lied.

    But they couldn't stop Jack, 'or the waters lapping,
    And they couldn't prevent Jack from being happy.

    But they couldn't stop Jack, 'or the waters lapping,
    And they couldn't prevent Jack from feeling happy.

    The kids couldn't hurt Jack,
    They tried, tried, tried.
    They dropped things on his back
    They lied, lied, lied, lied, lied.

    But they couldn't stop Jack, 'or the waters lapping.
    And they couldn't prevent Jack from being happy.

    (I saw ya!)

    z0 K

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    The Natal Chart of a person is often a good tool to understand what makes this person feel happy.
    One man's paradise is another man's hell.

    Love, Art and Philosophical knowledge* is what makes me happy.

    * LOL... "philosophical knowledge" sounds like a "big word"... it's just that it's a specific type of knowledge that is different from other types of knowledge that don't make me happy.

    ... but we are all quite unbalanced and always leaning towards some sides and excludying others.
    i.e, my quite recent birthday made me notice again a fact about myself: I LOVE presents/gifts... but my joy comes from giving them and receiving them makes me feel uneasy.
    i.e,.... I know a lot of people who LOVE Yoga and are completely in love with it.... when I tried it myself... well, it was really a torture and certainly not enjoyable at all for me.
    i.e.... loveless sex or "casual sex".... a lot of people love it and find happiness in it... in my own case, I feel it's very sad and empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghislain View Post
    Perhaps we could keep to the question of the thread and look into the purpose of emotion and how we are affected by them...do they control us?
    Emotions, in this realm, are the addictive food of humanity. When one follows the calling of our soul, which is something different from the brush paintings of advertisements, commercialism, nationalism, traditional religions, (anything most often related to) media, etc., then that person gets to be very near in a balanced state of happiness. I don't mean, few glimpses chemically generated by whatever that person is emotionally addicted to, but a well-balanced state, that is, continuous happiness. Most people will say that's not possible, or true, but it is and the closer one gets to the spiritual script of their own lives, the more natural and easy that becomes. (I mean, the script written prior to recycling back in.) 'Waking up', a cliché of sort, is about remembering the 'job' you incarnated back in again for, and living it out. That's happiness. That's why as zoas23 pointed out, it is rather different from one person to the next.

    Emotions are also tied to our animal, reptilian brain, side of ourselves. So, a person that lives for the gratification of that part is usually a slave to anything external. They daily energize and feed that 'organ', a different script of the Powers That Be. The control, the subliminal string, I believe, gets to own the individual when they haven't healed themselves from certain emotions. So, this person, majority of humanity, goes from one trigger to the next.

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    My comments mean to offend no one. And they're merely my opinions. Please take that into considerations when wanting to respond directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisztian View Post
    [...] a well-balanced state, that is, continuous happiness [...] the closer one gets to the spiritual script of their own lives, the more natural and easy that becomes.
    (I mean, the script written prior to recycling back in.) 'Waking up', a cliche of sort, is about remembering the 'job' you incarnated back in again for, and living it out. That's happiness.
    On Earth, we don't 'recycle'. Earth incarnations are happening simultaneously (at different 'time frequencies').
    Once an incarnation is done on the physical (and on the astral), it doesn't 'recycle' back to physical Earth, but returns to its 'Source' ('Higher Self', 'Total Self', 'OverSoul' - call it what you will).

    Imagine the Hand and the Fingers. The Hand is the Source/Total Self. Each Finger is an 'Incarnation' extended into different circumstances and time frequencies.
    The Fingers don't get 'recycled'. We're not sequentially 'recycling' from pinky to thumb, but we are ALL of the Fingers (many more than 5, BTW) simultaneously.
    The 'Hand' doesn't use one Finger at a time, but all of them together

    And only very few Incarnations are meant/designed/designated to 'remember' who they are while still incarnated.
    NOT remembering is a very powerful and much needed incarnational experience.

    And even if an incarnation is designed/designated to 'remember', it doesn't automatically turn the incarnational journey into a 'bed of roses' or a 'pleasure cruise'.
    Loosing the ballast/game addiction and gaining 'escape velocity' can be quite bittersweet. I certainly wouldn't describe it as 'happy'. 'Balanced' and 'Happy' are not emotional synonyms.

    As always, to each their own

    Some incarnations are deliberately designed/designated by our 'Higher Selves' to experience pain, loneliness, misery, or extreme unhappiness.
    This would be the unique 'Soul Purpose' for such incarnations, and it's an integral part of the Game.
    No, these incarnations will NOT be 'happy' being in tune with their 'Soul Purpose'. That's not how it works.
    Thinking that all incarnated spirits would be 'happy' by fulfilling their 'Soul Purpose' is pure new age/pseudo-spiritual fantasy.

    This is why (IMO) it is a very limiting perspective to correlate 'happiness' with following the (inevitable) calling of our soul.

    Following this 'calling' is simply unavoidable, even if this 'calling' requires what may appear as not being 'in tune' with the calling
    In other words, not matter what one does, it's going to exactly fulfill the requirements of each specific incarnation.
    Playing 'out of tune' is also a valid incarnational experience, much needed by us (as our 'Higher Selves').

    The 'goal' is not 'happiness'. Neither is it 'being in tune with one's calling', because it's unavoidable anyway.

    This is a playground, and it has so much to offer, so much for us to take in, from all our simultaneous incarnational experiences.
    Yes, the playground (EarthGame) IS addictive, and this is so by design. Without this 'addictive lure' - we would miss out on many amazing experiences.
    However, 'eventually', the more ADVANCED Incarnational Levels in The Game are required to break these game-addictions, until we finally get the 'Game Over' message

    Quote Originally Posted by Krisztian View Post
    My comments mean to offend no one. And they're merely my opinions. Please take that into considerations when wanting to respond directly.
    Same here, and I'm glad you said it. Good thing to consider for everyone posting here

    After all, it would be such a waste of 'time/space' to type "IMO" after every sentence... So it's better if everyone could just auto-mentally fill it in
    Last edited by Andro; 08-07-2012 at 09:34 PM.

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    This is a great discussion!

    Someone, the Gatekeepers on this side of the Realm probably, figured it out that the best way to keep souls here on Earth is to provide the addiction(s), just based on how we're wired with emotions. If one hasn't owned those experiences, they're trapped. They keep experiencing over and over and over again the same lessons, without gaining the distilled experience we call wisdom. So the addictive entertainment is yes part of the agenda, but it's an excuse on the part of the believe that that's alright. It is. But from a spiritual perspective, learning implies changing, evolving, and eventually going Home. For here on Earth, this is not Home.

    A person is essentially lost here and after (or beyond, take a pick of word) if they haven't collected enough velocity to truly leave this Realm. No soul can go back to the Source, until they have owned this lifetime. There, after, beyond, it's just as confusing, and souls are just as much lost as Here. There's no difference between Here and There, if the soul hasn't evolved.

    Happiness becomes eventually a state of balance. Then, that person is free within the incarnation. Free from what? Free from their human-suit, from it's chemical programming and addictions, etc. The thrill aspect of happiness, if it's emotionally sought out, is not happiness. That's just another addiction. All incarnations are meant to 'wake up'. Remember what? That we're gods! A state of continuous happiness is meant that we're free from the addictive chains of chemically addictive emotions, all based in fear. That's why the Powers That Be are into promoting violence, anger, loudness, hate, etc. That's their contract. And they're trapped also until they fulfill what they agreed to carry out.

    People like to believe that all is well. In a sense, it is. But that's part of the soothing entertainment of addiction too. We're here on Earth to evolve out.

    /

    One more thing, I'm sorry; before one can know happiness, one will humbly admit that this incarnation, the world as we know, just doesn't seem to provide the right soulfood. So we live from the mandate of our soul that has little interest in the usual addictions of the world. Yes happiness is a state of balance (calmness, joy without reason for joy) because that's the trademark of spirit. Human-suit, it's trademark is instability of emotions, continuously labile.

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    I was a Beatles fan, but I liked The Who though only listened to their music third party so to speak.
    I can appreciate the talent of some of these super groups, but didn’t get that certain buzz from them
    that I got from the Beatles. I don’t get the “buzz” from The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin and Pink
    Floyd for example, but understand why others do.

    I do get the feeling from certain tracks of theirs like Pinball Wizard or My Generation; like Paint it
    Black or Nineteenth Nervous Breakdown; like Whole Lotta Love or Stairway to Heaven; like Money
    or Another Brick in the Wall, but I get that feeling with almost all of the Beatles tracks. I think it may
    be more due to familiarity than that of the music per se. I have three older brothers that had
    between them all the Beatles albums, but then some of them were into Floyd, Hendrix and others
    however not in such as big way.

    I didn’t think I knew “Happy Jack”, but I played it on YouTube and recognised it. Thanks


    Zoas

    I find it hard to trust ones horoscope as it is a complicated matter and I’m sure most people who
    profess to be astrologists are not putting in all that work...or maybe they are and I find that hard to
    believe because of my own laziness lol.

    I would like to see my Natal Chart created by two or three different Astrologists to see how they
    compare.

    I’m not sure what “Love” is...the jury is still out on that one...”art” covers so many different genres, I
    guess I could say I like art, but probably not in the same way as others and of course I like
    “philosophy” as that is the main reason I’m here.

    You wrote, “... but we are all quite unbalanced and always leaning towards some sides and
    excludying others.”


    It made me think how predictable, and dare I say boring, life would be if we didn't all have these
    different leanings.

    It is our individual idiosyncrasies that make life interesting and fun?
    Perhaps this would disappear if we eliminated emotion

    Could one say that happiness is contained in our imperfection?

    Krisztian

    Emotions, in this realm, are the addictive food of humanity
    I imagine that is why some people are happy when they are sad or angry etc... any emotion will do
    so long as they can feel.

    When one follows the calling of our soul... then that person gets to be very near in a
    balanced state of happiness.
    I haven’t got to this point, but I can imagine the feeling...for me it’s a feeling of getting to a point of
    completion that keeps moving further away, but sometimes you get that little bit closer than you do
    at other times.

    it is and the closer one gets to the spiritual script of their own lives, the more natural and
    easy that becomes. (I mean, the script written prior to recycling back in.)
    This is like the Indian Samsara "continuous flow"; it is the repeating cycle of birth, life, death and
    rebirth. Buddha said of this that there is no beginning or end. It seems to fit with the fractal nature
    of everything theory.

    'Waking up', a cliché of sort, is about remembering the 'job' you incarnated back in again for,
    and living it out.
    Remembering the job or to put it another way my purpose sounds like Nirvana, peace of mind, but
    then I have to ask myself “what then”? Perhaps there can be no peace of mind.

    Could the common denominator of happiness be peace of mind?

    Androgynus

    NOT remembering is a very powerful and much needed incarnational experience.
    This has been in my train of thought for some time...it would make sense that if the purpose of being
    here was to experience things then remembering “what is” may defeat that objective.

    Playing 'out of tune' is also a valid incarnational experience, much needed by us (as our
    'Higher Selves').
    Not sure if this sounds mad, but when I was younger and used to play the fruit machines I would
    purposely not hold a winning combination if the chance came up as I thought that was what the
    machine expected me to do lol...I thought I could throw the machine off guard by doing the
    unexpected. Ooops I just meant to think that.

    This is a playground, and it has so much to offer, so much for us to take in, from all our
    simultaneous incarnational experiences.
    Yes, the playground (EarthGame) IS addictive, and this is so by design. Without this 'addictive lure' -
    we would miss out on many amazing experiences.
    However, 'eventually', the more ADVANCED Incarnational Levels in The Game are required to break
    these game-addictions, until we finally get the 'Game Over' message
    I wonder what level I have achieved so far...novice maybe?

    Could you say where happiness fits in with this philosophy?

    Happiness seems so illusive...one does things that one thinks will instil happiness just to be
    disappointed, but then, when one least expects it, you do something that does instil happiness and
    still the reason eludes us.

    Perhaps the pursuit of happiness is an oxymoron because maybe it is happiness that has to find
    you. \o/

    Krisztian

    Happiness becomes eventually a state of balance. Then, that person is free within the
    incarnation. Free from what? Free from their human-suit, from it's chemical programming and
    addictions, etc. The thrill aspect of happiness, if it's emotionally sought out, is not happiness. That's
    just another addiction. All incarnations are meant to 'wake up'. Remember what? That we're gods! A
    state of continuous happiness is meant that we're free from the addictive chains of chemically
    addictive emotions, all based in fear. That's why the Powers That Be are into promoting violence,
    anger, loudness, hate, etc. That's their contract. And they're trapped also until they fulfil what they
    agreed to carry out.

    People like to believe that all is well. In a sense, it is. But that's part of the soothing entertainment of
    addiction too. We're here on Earth to evolve out.
    That is almost a complete description of my current belief, but to take it one bit further, imagine
    caterpillars that have an impulse to devour as much greenery as they can before they pupate into
    butterflies.

    We are the caterpillar but the greenery is experience, the butterfly the spirit.

    Do you think that we have concluded what happiness is? Is it peace of mind, balance?

    Ghislain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghislain View Post
    Do you think that we have concluded what happiness is? Is it peace of mind, balance?
    I was going to say contentment, which is pretty synonymous with peace of mind.
    Still Searching.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghislain View Post
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    I was a Beatles fan, but I liked The Who though only listened to their music third party so to speak.
    I can appreciate the talent of some of these super groups, but didn’t get that certain buzz from them
    that I got from the Beatles. I don’t get the “buzz” from The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin and Pink
    Floyd for example, but understand why others do.

    I do get the feeling from certain tracks of theirs like Pinball Wizard or My Generation; like Paint it
    Black or Nineteenth Nervous Breakdown; like Whole Lotta Love or Stairway to Heaven; like Money
    or Another Brick in the Wall, but I get that feeling with almost all of the Beatles tracks. I think it may
    be more due to familiarity than that of the music per se. I have three older brothers that had
    between them all the Beatles albums, but then some of them were into Floyd, Hendrix and others
    however not in such as big way.

    I didn’t think I knew “Happy Jack”, but I played it on YouTube and recognised it. Thanks

    Ghislain
    I brought up the Who in comparison to the Beatles because the aim of this thread is about happiness and both songs had “happy” titles. There is a great difference in the mood of both songs that “relate” to happiness. I remember when “Happiness is a Warm Gun” first came out. Popular rumor here in the US was the song was about experimentation with heroin: happiness is a syringe loaded with it.

    The song is not a happy one. The Beatles present a much happier song with it’s “Getting Better” all the time from Sergeant Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band. Basically it’s about a person that is finding bliss by doing the best he can.

    Of course this is my opinion. And I have no way of knowing what Lennon and McCartney really meant. Consider “I am the Walrus.” The last refrain is repeated many times, “Everybody Smoke Pot.” That was a tremendous influence so everybody smoked pot. McCartney later said they were saying, “Everybody Um Pa.” It didn’t really matter what he said; the message received was “Everybody Smoke Pot.”

    http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=138

    Happy Jack by the Who is, as I see it, about a developmentally impaired man (Village idiot) who is permanently wired to be happy. So even the cruelties of the ignorant could not prevent Jack from being happy. Jack is in a continuous state of bliss.

    Pete Townshend “reported the song is about a man who slept on the beach near where Townshend vacationed as a child. The children on the beach would laugh at the man and once buried him in the sand. However, the man never seemed to mind and only smiled in response.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Jack_(song)

    The great mythologist/historian Joseph Campbell said:

    “Find a place inside where there’s joy, and the joy will burn out the pain.”

    “Follow your bliss and the universe will open doors where there were only walls.”

    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au..._campbell.html

    The human body has loads of bliss receptors. That’s where the cannabinoids in pot go. The human body has its own bliss hormones. One of them, anandamide “is an endogenous cannaboid neurotransmitter. The name is taken from the Sanskrit word ananda, which means ‘bliss, delight,’ and amide.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anandamide

    Bliss doesn’t seem to be on Plutchik’s pinwheel of emotions.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bliss

    z0 K

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