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    Taoism.
    Yoga.
    Tantra.
    Buddhism.
    All the same thing.
    Reverse apana.
    master samadhi
    Samadhi is easy.
    Reversal of apana is where bliss and sexual transmutation begins.
    Bliss in the physiological sense, is skin erection. When ever pore on your body stands on end with such intensity that an automatic smile/laughter comes out of you. Waves of it. That is physiological bliss.

    No semen dosnt go up the spine. But every culture expressly says you cannot perform sexual transformation without reversal of part of the physiology.
    My only logic conclusion of how to reverse "apana" as its called in yoga.
    It to induce respiratory alkalosis through decarbonization of the blood. This effects the kidneys if sustained. It also causes flaccid paralysis. Flaccid paralysis is one of the key signs that you are ready to do tantra. "Only a man with no desire for woman is ready for tantra"

    Anyway. I have done literal sexual transmutation. Your whole body turns solid red like the pictures of dakinis. I have never read anything publically available that helped. Well,publicly. Available and not written in code.

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    The yogis and taoists aimed at full fledged physiological transmutation. Literally becoming a different beast. No longer human by normal standards. Super human if you will. Call it what you will. Literal physiological change.

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    I guess you are aware that a great part - or probably a majority - of Tantric practitioners are saddhus or monks who never have sex of any sort? But let someone more capable than I speak for me:

    The paucity of research and publications on the Tantric heritage of Hinduism has in recent years made room for a whole crop of ill-informed popular books on what I have called "Neo-Tantrism." Their reductionism is so extreme that a true initiate would barely recognize the Tantric heritage in these writings. The most common distortion is to present Tantra Yoga as a mere discipline of ritualized or sacred sex. In the popular mind, Tantra has become equivalent to sex. Nothing could be farther from the truth!
    I have looked at a number of these popular books on what one well-known Tibetan lama once jokingly referred to as "California Tantra. "One time I even sat through half of a thoroughly uninspiring and essentially pornographic video presentation on Neo-Tantrism. In each case I was left with the overwhelming impression that these Neo-Tantric publications are based on a profound misunderstanding of the Tantric path. Their main error is to confuse Tantric bliss (an-anda, maha-sukha) with ordinary orgasmic pleasure. Indeed, the words "pleasure "and "fun" are prominent catchphrases in the Neo-Tantric literature. These publications may conceivably be helpful to people looking for a more fulfilling or entertaining sex life, but they are in most cases far removed from the true spirit of Tantra. In this sense they are sadly misleading, for instead of awakening a person's impulse to attain enlightenment for the benefit of all beings, they tend to foster narcissism, self-delusion, and false hopes.
    Tantra is a Sanskrit word that, like the term yoga, has many distinct but basically related meanings. At the most mundane level, it denotes "web" or "woof." It derives from the verbal root tan, meaning "to expand." This root also yields the word tantu (thread or cord).
    Whereas a thread is something that is extensive, a web suggests expansion. Tantra can also stand for "system," "ritual," "doctrine," and "compendium." According to esoteric explanations, tantra is that which expands jnana, which can mean either "knowledge" or "wisdom."
    If we look for Tantric elements in the Brahmanas, we can readily find them in the idea that sexual union is a form of sacrifice, a notion that builds a bridge to the Tantric maithuna. Sexual symbolism is pervasive in the Brahmanas, but can already be amply found in the Vedas.
    Hindu iconographers have made various attempts to depict in three-dimensional form the zero-dimensional relationship between Shiva and Shakti. One popular image is that of Ardhanar Tshvara (lit. "Half-Woman-Lord"), which is sometimes wrongly described as hermaphroditic. The left half of this figure is depicted as a female with one ample breast, while the right half is depicted as a male, often holding Shiva's trident. Obviously, this image is only a very imperfect depiction of the "union" between Shiva and Shakti, which is a seamless continuity of Consciousness and Power within one and the same Reality. Even the term "polarity" does not describe this transcendental situation accurately. A somewhat more fitting analogy would be that of a hologram that yields one image when viewed from a certain angle and another image when viewed differently.
    The same limitation inherent in the Ardhanarlshvara image also applies to Tantric paintings or statues depicting Shiva and Shakti in intimate embrace. Usually voluptuous Shakti sits astride her beloved's lap, wrapping hersel faround him like a creeper in what the Tibetans call the yab-yum (mother-father) position, face turned blissfully upward. This graphic motif suggests sexual love, which makes sense, since for many people sexual union affords the only experience of unity. When they lose themselves in the arms of their lover, they experience at least a semblance of the ego-transcending consciousness of the Tantric adept. It is therefore not surprising that so many Neo-Tantrics in the West look upon Tantra as a sexual discipline promising pleasure beyond all expectation, mostly in the form of prolonged or multiple orgasms. Neo-Tantrics seek to emulate the divine couple but typically forget that the union between Shiva and Shakti is transcendental and therefore also asexual. The fruit of their union - and hence also the goal of Tantra Yoga - is not bodily orgasm, however overwhelming, but perpetual bliss far beyond anything the human nervous system is capable of producing.
    A third motif of ten exploited in paintings and sculptures is that of the reclining Shiva, with Shakti (mostly in the form of the fear-instilling goddess Kali) towering above him, with weapons in her hands, a garland of skulls around her neck, protruding tongue dripping with the blood of her victims. This image gives us the most penetrating glimpse into the Shiva-Shakti symbolism. Here Shiva is depicted with a massive erection, yet with a body besmeared from toe to crown with ashes, clearly suggesting that he is indifferent to his sexual arousal and the world at large. The pale, almost translucent white color of his skin suggests the luminosity of the Divine. It is no accident that he resembles a corpse, lying in what is called the corpse posture (shava-asana), for the image strongly points to a practice at the very heart of Tantra that many Western observers have found rather disquieting. This is the old custom of left-hand tantrikas to receive initiation from a female adept in the graveyard. The Tantric male practitioner emulates Shiva, who is dead to all passion and pure Consciousness. Even his blood is turned to ashes - a symbol of utter dispassion.
    A vastly simplified form of the divine intercourse between Shiva and Shakti is the yoni-linga symbol, which can be drawn, painted, or carved. It consists of a round or oval shape in whose center an upright linga is placed. These represent the male and female generative organs and their corresponding creative energies. The yoni (vulva) stands for Shakti, energy, immanence; the linga ("mark" or "phallus") represents Shiva, consciousness, transcendence. Their juxtaposition symbolizes the creative union as a result of which multiplicity can arise within the simplicity of Parama-Shiva. This particular imagery has also been incorporated into the description of the psychoenergetic center at the base of the spine, the muladhara-cakra. This is the seat of the serpent power, the localized presence of the non local Shakti. The serpent power is depicted as being coiled three and a half times around a shiva-linga. The spiral coils again suggest the inherent dynamism of Shakti.
    Another strong image that is widely used in Tantra to depict the complementary relationship between Shiva and Shakti is the shri-yantra. Here the five upward-pointing triangles represent Shiva, the four downward-pointing triangles Shakti. Their interweaving, giving rise to a total of forty-nine triangles, stands for cosmic existence as a whole.
    What is significant for the present discussion is that in Hindu Tantra Shakti plays the active role, whereas Shiva, although aroused by Shakti's love play, remains passive and cool. He manifests the absolute stillness of Consciousness; she expresses the unlimited potency of Power or Energy. Together they symbolize the play of life and death, creation and annihilation, emptiness and form, dynamism and stasis. This interplay is found on all levels of cosmic existence because, as we have seen, it preexists in the ultimate Reality itself. As we move down the ladder of cosmic existence - from the transcendental to the subtle to the coarse levels of manifestation - the transcendental "polarity" increasingly becomes one of stark oppositions. The Sanskrit texts refer to the dvandvas (two-twos), which are pairs such as light and dark, hot and cold, moist and dry, but also praise and blame, fame and obscurity, and so on. Tantric practitioners must learn to master these by raising their consciousness from the material plane to the transcendental dimension of existence, which is characterized as nirdvandva, or beyond all opposites.
    To return to the main discussion: Ontologically speaking, the "polarization" of the ultimate Reality into Shiva and Shakti is the matrix for the opposites experienced at the level of conditional reality. All polarities and dualities - notably male and female - that we can possibly encounter in the world are precontained in the Shiva-Shakti dimension. Psychologically speaking, the unitive relationship of Shiva and Shakti can be understood as a symbol for intra psychic unity or, in Jung's terms, the integration of animus and anima. We could say that because Shiva and Shakti are ultimately in perfect union, we are capable of achieving a similar union within our psyche. Conversely, because the ultimate Reality has these two aspects, our psyche also exhibits a feminine and a masculine side. As above, so below. As without, so within. Tantric metaphysics is also a metapsychology with far-reaching practical implications.
    By the way, on the topic, there is indeed a great dose of alchemy in there.

    Quotes are from Tantra - The path to ecstasy by Georg Feuerstein, a book I picked up in India when my intuition led me into a random bookshop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avaar186 View Post
    Taoism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Avaar186 View Post
    Yoga.
    Tantra.
    Buddhism.
    All the same thing.
    Reverse apana.
    master samadhi
    Samadhi is easy.
    Reversal of apana is where bliss and sexual transmutation begins.
    Bliss in the physiological sense, is skin erection. When ever pore on your body stands on end with such intensity that an automatic smile/laughter comes out of you. Waves of it. That is physiological bliss.

    No semen dosnt go up the spine. But every culture expressly says you cannot perform sexual transformation without reversal of part of the physiology.
    My only logic conclusion of how to reverse "apana" as its called in yoga.
    It to induce respiratory alkalosis through decarbonization of the blood. This effects the kidneys if sustained. It also causes flaccid paralysis. Flaccid paralysis is one of the key signs that you are ready to do tantra. "Only a man with no desire for woman is ready for tantra"

    Anyway. I have done literal sexual transmutation. Your whole body turns solid red like the pictures of dakinis. I have never read anything publically available that helped. Well,publicly. Available and not written in code.
    Hi Avaar,

    There is something call the "sexual flush" that does indeed turn large areas of the body quite red, though not exactly the same as an artist painting with a solid red skin tone. The same artists are keen a blue skinned persons as well.

    I've discussed these things with a Yogi friend who was not aware of any such amazing physiological, biochemical and other changes.



    I have never read anything publically available that helped. Well,publicly. Available and not written in code.


    I have read many things written as well as the authors were able to describe difficult things. Anyway, there are the written teachings, the spoken teachings, the unspoken teachings and the unspeakable teachings. I used to teach skiing. Much of that was unspeakable. Learning to hit a fast ball or curve ball is also an unspeakable teaching. So don't make assumptions about "unspeakable". It is meant in a quite literal sense in more than one way. This is why the lineage of ones Teacher can be of import. What set(s) of unspoken and unspeakable teachings one has received is far more important that what books one reads.


    "Code" might not actually be a code. It might be jargon. If you consider it "code" than speaking metaphysics in an object oriented way might be considered another code meant to obscure when in fact it's meant to make comprehension easier. But it certainly would be a jargon, a group of words with specific meanings to this application without making up all new words. Elsewhere, Sanskrit is mentioned as having an incredibly rich vocabulary for spiritual things, single words for concepts taking many sentences in English. In speaking with my Yogi Friend, I had asked if I needed to learn Sanskrit to be able to have access to the concepts. After we had discussed metaphysics for 6 months he said that I didn't, that I had all the concepts needed in the language of the sciences, math, psychology and computer concepts. I'm part of a new generation which has a reconceptualization of the many old ideas. It is said that the teaching is put into the language of the times. I agree. I'm quite partial to the Vivekanada writings directly in English only a century old and not translated by anybody. Vivekanada was a universalist. He took all the teachings and showed the similarieties within them. That was not well received by some who wanted their Book to be special and different from all others. To be told that they flow from the same source was breaking a taboo. The British had been stomping down and creating a whole lot of new (to India and Indian Tantra) sexual and nudity taboos, all to be broken of course, but secretly, so as not to be persecuted and worse. A millenium earlier the Muslims stormed across India killing 300 million people and destroying many temples of sacred sexual art. Again, a whole new layer of taboos and secracy was needed to keep from being murdered.


    Since then we have learned that the quite "magic" tantric meal is on critical and solid nutritional foundations and works because of nutrition primarily and not by overturning taboo. One gains "power" overturning taboos. Just consider Castenada's writings. A good chunk of Tantra, and shamanism, was turning fears and taboos on their head. Eating a nice juicy rare steak is my idea of part of a good meal. Eating it well done is a travesty, not a taboo breaker. I have no trapped energy on that to release and ride to great heights. 1000 years ago in India it was breaking a major taboo. And again today, my diet is rich enough in the nutrients specific to meat (and vitamin pills) that the Tantric meal has become purely symbolic since it can't provide the very real kick in the neurology that it did in a vegetarian society. Also, it is no taboo breaking at all. We don't have to eat Chateaubriand in secret to avoid being murdered by zealots.


    In the USA we have religious freedom. The worst thing that will happen when people discover somebody has Tantric sex is that they will be the butt of a joke on late night TV or a scandal of a salacious and titliating type, like with Sting about a decade ago. But mostly, it is practiced by a nobody like me and nobody cares enough to be scandalized. So my kids discover that I have had sex? Isn't that kind of obvious? My wife's neice who was scandalized to find out that at 35 my wife and I were still having sex. She thought people were done with that by 30. I pointed to my infant son when she said that and said "Clearly we didn't quit at 30". She was about 25 just married.



    But every culture expressly says you cannot perform sexual transformation without reversal of part of the physiology.

    Every one of those cultures that says that knows NOTHING about phsyiology beyond a 18th century level. Transformational use of energies and biochemistry, sure. Reversal of phsiology, NONSENSE! Several hours of ecstacy will generate a large amount of endorphins, relieving pain for several days. It also gnenerates oxytocin, the "togetherness" etc hormone. Oxytocin also happens to counteract the harmful effects of cortisol, the stress hormone. Look at all the stress diseases we have in modern life. Who doesn't need relief from the physical harms of stress? Funny thing about that, oxytocin's breakdown path is to, guess what, endorphin! The "living water", that same semen, also potentially contains in 5 cc the same amount of active b12 as 1 liter of blood. That semen absorbed by anybody would relieves depression, not magically but via b12 and possibly other things. The 1-2 mcg of b12 could be quite an experience for a vegetarian as well. The "three medicines" (TAOIST) from the female, some of which is gnerated in equivalent tissues as the male and might contain the same b12. That hasn't been measured though becasue nobody is looking. At the time of Kinsey, in the USA, oral sex was another of those taboos. Now oral sex activities are extremely popular and not in the least Taboo. I would attribute that to better cleanliness. I'm not Napolean and I would not ask my lady to refrain from bathing for two weeks because I'm coming home as his letter to Josephine states. I can't stand anything that gamey, it's too much for my tastes.. Now that would be a powerful taboo to break. Nowadays, with modern cleanliness and grooming, and maybe other factors, there is no taboo on the act, just on the lack of cleanliness.


    Perhaps I should be called a neuromancer Alchemist. Tantric alchemy makes large and significant changes. Tantra included healing arts, arts of all sorts, herbalism and so forth on. To find out the very real basis of healing of stress damage, of increasing vitality and healing the nervous system it could certainly look like parts of physiology are reversed. The nervous system controls the release of all these different things. Yoga in general could be called neuromancy. It is considered the "science of the mind". The b12 is the single most limiting nutritional factor in the human body. That and the generation of endorphins and Oxytocin could certainly look like magic and would dramatically affect the nurology, hormones, neurotransmitters, health and everything else. A person must have 2-3 mcg of b12 daily on average for survival. In the Japanese prsion camps b12 came from the "bug stew" that the imprsioned camp doctor would have simmering all the time for all the bugs and worms people could collect. Those that broke their taboos and ate a heaping spoonfull of bug stew each day survived. 100% of the others, without fail, died in the camps in which records were kept. It took a couple of years to starve to death on a totally b12 free diet. It takes only 3 days to start the downhill slide.

    For the living yoni puja, a Tantric and Alchemical practice, the most revered women for it are the high priestesses who are not distracted by circumstance and not distracted by the "sexual" part of it. They have to stay focused on the prayful energies being sent their way and return those. It is setting up a circuit of multi-person prayerful energy flow.



    My only logic conclusion of how to reverse "apana" as its called in yoga.
    It to induce respiratory alkalosis through decarbonization of the blood. This effects the kidneys if sustained.


    My experience of that is being quite non functional, I spent 16 years like that becasue of nutritional deficienies that almost killed me, was destructive of mystical and tantric experiences. You are welcome to this state however you get there. Usually I am working with people that want to recover their health, not make it worse and damage their kidneys. They want peak funtioning, not minimal to stay alive functioning. Ramakrishna was a remarkable Yogi despite his extremely bad b12 deficiencies that is terribly obvious in text and pictures. He was celibate. He was a devotee to Shiva and practiced living linga puja. Of course it helps to make a virtue of the inevitable (celibacy) due to unknown causes at that time. He couldn't have been a practitioner of heroic tantra if he wanted to. It would take a vegetarian culture to praise b12 starvation debility to the point of sexual impossibility due to dietary deficiencies that are NOT correctable as a vegetarian prior to 1960-1998 and later.


    It also causes flaccid paralysis. Flaccid paralysis is one of the key signs that you are ready to do tantra. "Only a man with no desire for woman is ready for tantra"


    I'm afraid that I can't possibly agree with your logic. As a neuromancer I would have to go with enhancement of functioning. L-carnitine fumarate with methylfolate, AdoCbl and MeCbl massively increases arobic stamina, neurological and muscular functioning and so forth in a completely health promoting fashion and increases spiritual experience. Maithuna would be impossible with what you say, Flaccid paralysis. This is a sign of poor health and a failing nervous system, severe b12 deficiency and assoicated other deficincies.


    "Only a man with no desire for woman is ready for tantra"


    So tantra is only for gay men or terribly sick and disordered heteros? I don't think so. Once that point is reached the body is in really bad condition and not at all suitable for yoga. It is said that yoga is for the healthy, not those so bad off that they can't function.


    I am not currently involved with Hatha yoga. I manifest in the Raja and Jnana yoga with Tantra as a practice as a neuromancer Alchemist. That should explain it all or not.

    Have fun, BE IN LOVE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezalor View Post
    I guess you are aware that a great part - or probably a majority - of Tantric practitioners are saddhus or monks who never have sex of any sort? But let someone more capable than I speak for me:
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezalor View Post

    By the way, on the topic, there is indeed a great dose of alchemy in there.

    Quotes are from Tantra - The path to ecstasy by Georg Feuerstein, a book I picked up in India when my intuition led me into a random bookshop.


    Hi Ezalor,

    I agree with most of what you quoted and I would say that is doing pretty well. There is a purely meditative form of Tantra that is celebate. However, how some of those monks define sex and celibacy may not be what you or many others may assume or so define. There is are in India 3 forms, heroic, celibate and I'm not sure where the 3rd form fits in. In Tibet it goes from sexual to learning to invoke a spirit for psychic sex of sorts. Sounds familiar in these days of virtual cybersex. Then there are Taoists.

    Not everybody doing Tantra of any variety actually solves the mystery of what distinguishes an Alchemist. And the ones doing Tantric sex or sacred sex may be having more fun but are not likely doing anything Alchemical. Most monks who study Tantra don't get very far. Most monks don't make it very far in any of the yogas. A few yogis make it to Yogi. As the objective of the Yogi is quite different than that of the Alchemist so are what they do and their results. Also as in "All Sufis are equal but some are great Sufis." All Yogis are equal but some are great Yogis. ("Great Swan") as description. Then there are Alchemists. Don't assume that Tantric Alchemist and Tantric Yogi are the same thing. Also the difference between a "Great Swan" Yogi Like Ramikrisha or Paramahansa Yogananda, the two key Yogis in the 20th century revival of Advaita (non-dualism), and the more ordinary Yogi, is vast.


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    I love how this song merges the spiritual and physical.
    Come over, let's do yoga...
    I hope you dig it III.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p1kfbdj90
    http://serpentrioarquila.blogspot.com/

    "To conjure is nothing else than to observe anything rightly, to know and understand what it is." - Paracelsus

    "Why, then, don't you act when you see the danger of your conditioning? The answer is you don't see... seeing is acting." J. Krishnamurti

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    I tired a new to me liqueur. There are some commercial varieties and home made variations. Brandy, with damiana, vanilla, cinnamon and some other flavoring ingrediants was really quite delightful. With a little smoked herb the effects of the damiana was really quite a pleasant surprise, a very nice tantric alchemical enhancement. My partner and I both found it a delight. She started 2 more small batches so we will have it in the months to come.


    And thankyou for the link. Interesting video, I've never seen one like it.
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    Person above!
    I am impressed!
    I must say I have not had anyone intelligently
    Reply to me for seven years.
    You are very correct though!

    The path I discribed was not the correct way.
    As well when I said no lust I simply meant absence of lust.
    anyway!

    I believe I have learned the correct way. I will post more later.

    Yes it still has to do with control of cellular respiration.
    but!

    Hyperventilation is good. extreme of it may be bad.
    But it constructs blood vessels. Slows respiration.
    Lowers co2 to a point where normal breathing will cease. Rids the body of metabolic waste.
    And! It cools down the body. Yogicly it would be stimulating Ida.

    I have within the last few days learned to stimulate the opposite.
    To dilate blood vessals. Increasing heat and histamine.
    and yes it is the histamine flush that must be the key to transformation.

    When I first had this transformation, my body was solidly red.
    solid red. Not patchy like most flushes. And not light colored
    But dark solid red and refreshing.
    Euphoria was had. Then physical vitality increase was semi permanent. Semi permanent because a month later I decided to rid myself of the increased vitality by ejaculating.

    Anyway!

    Naturally a man breaths on with less resistance yet exhails with more "pressure"
    I simply do that at an increased rate to hyperventilate.
    I do its opposite, breath out with little resistance,inhail with increased resistance. This seems to increase body heat.
    Its kinda like mimicking the breathing of a man who sprinted a mile and is out of breath.
    Or like mimicking a woman during orgasm.

    I apologies for the previous post of mine about the path.
    I am still working on finding the ultimate way.
    Before I had only been "closing" now I can open and close. Heat and cool.
    stimulate histamine and then shut it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avaar186 View Post
    Person above!
    I am impressed!
    I must say I have not had anyone intelligently
    Reply to me for seven years.
    You are very correct though!

    The path I discribed was not the correct way.
    As well when I said no lust I simply meant absence of lust.
    anyway!

    I believe I have learned the correct way. I will post more later.

    Yes it still has to do with control of cellular respiration.
    but!

    Hyperventilation is good. extreme of it may be bad.
    But it constructs blood vessels. Slows respiration.
    Lowers co2 to a point where normal breathing will cease. Rids the body of metabolic waste.
    And! It cools down the body. Yogicly it would be stimulating Ida.

    I have within the last few days learned to stimulate the opposite.
    To dilate blood vessals. Increasing heat and histamine.
    and yes it is the histamine flush that must be the key to transformation.

    When I first had this transformation, my body was solidly red.
    solid red. Not patchy like most flushes. And not light colored
    But dark solid red and refreshing.
    Euphoria was had. Then physical vitality increase was semi permanent. Semi permanent because a month later I decided to rid myself of the increased vitality by ejaculating.

    Anyway!

    Naturally a man breaths on with less resistance yet exhails with more "pressure"
    I simply do that at an increased rate to hyperventilate.
    I do its opposite, breath out with little resistance,inhail with increased resistance. This seems to increase body heat.
    Its kinda like mimicking the breathing of a man who sprinted a mile and is out of breath.
    Or like mimicking a woman during orgasm.

    I apologies for the previous post of mine about the path.
    I am still working on finding the ultimate way.
    Before I had only been "closing" now I can open and close. Heat and cool.
    stimulate histamine and then shut it down.
    Hi Avaar,

    Be careful. There are some "run away" reactions possible.

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    Ah yes.
    My previous post was a flunk.
    The method I used was not solid.
    Happens from time to time.
    Still searching for the solid core.

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