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Thread: apologia - in defence of the illuminati :)

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    Two quotes from the movie 'The Usual Suspects':
    • The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
      • Rephrasing of the phrase "the finest trick of the devil is to persuade you that he does not exist" by Charles Baudelaire
    • To a cop, the explanation is never that complicated. It's always simple. There's no mystery to the street, no arch criminal behind it all. If you got a dead body and you think his brother did it, you're gonna find out you're right.
    At least the original group.
    I don't think there's such a 'them' as 'the illuminati'. Especially not the original group. And not lizard people, like Icke keeps saying.

    If there's a 'them', it's basically just people, people who are after all not so fundamentally different from you or me or Keyser Söze, etc...

    It's just business, only a different currency (maybe)...

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    Speaking of Baudelaire, a topic-related quote from him:

    "There are but three beings worthy of respect: the priest, the warrior and the poet. To know, to kill and to create.

    The rest of mankind may be taxed and drudged, they are born for the stable, that is to say, to practice what they call professions."
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    Baudelaire quotes HERE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    [*]Rephrasing of the phrase "the finest trick of the devil is to persuade you that he does not exist" by Charles Baudelaire
    I don't think the Illuminati were "the devil"... but very much a libertarian society with a good idea and HUGE problems into turning it into a revolutionary practice.

    My problem with most of the "Illuminati myth" of their current existence is that the modern *conspiracists* link them with people like George Bush or the neo-con right... which is as absurd to me as assuming that George Bush is part of a crypto-socialist club or that the Donald Trump has a hidden Marxist agenda.

    As for Baudelaire... the wiki article is somehow biased or too based on a very selective quoting.

    i.e, it makes the reader lead to believe that Baudelaire was fascinated with the Military... when he actually HATED the Military.
    It is also a fact that Baudelaire admired the ideas of the *anarchist* Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, but didn't have much admiration for Henri de Saint-Simon... and specially Sanit-Simon's idea of the artists being the cultural "avant-garde".

    Baudelaire HATED the expression "avant-garde" for the arts and systematically refused to be labeled as an "avant-garde" artist ---and even wrote an extensive essay against the use of such term for the arts.

    [A literal translation of "avant-garde" to English would be "advance guard" or the "front line" of soldiers who advance before the other soldiers... Baudelaire had a huge problem with using a "military metaphor" for the artists... and his essay criticizes the "French obsession with military metaphors" and the whole of the military ideology].

    I tried to find the essay in English, but all I could find is contemporary essays by English authors who explain that Baudelaire can be considered one of the first avant-garde poets... hahaha... I bet Baudelaire would be wanting to punch them in the face or at least screaming at them: "Did you even care to read my essays where it's not so complicated to figure out that I completely reject the idea of *avant-garde* and giving any kind of glamour to this military terminology???".

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    The BIG issue for me here is WHY the contemporary *myth* about the Illuminati Order links it with far-right ideas... when the Illuminati Order (which I consider to be extinct) was a left wing group and somehow close to the ideas of Voltaire and Rousseau.

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    Why it went from left to right?

    Answer: conspiracy people are morons

    Don’t let the delusion of reality confuse you regarding the reality of the illusion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dev View Post
    Why it went from left to right?
    Left/right is an artificially induced dichotomy. It's neither, nor was it ever

    "divide & conquer"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    Left/right is an artificially induced dichotomy. It's neither, nor was it ever

    "divide & conquer"
    Yes, you are right. The ideas of "left" and "right" don't really mean much nowadays.

    Maybe the ideas of "authoritarian" vs. "libertarian" make a bit more sense.

    i.e, I think that Kim Jong-un and Dev have different political visions and maybe the ideas of "left" and "right" don't really serve to explain the differences.

    EDIT: ... and I do believe that you are willingly *quoting* something that is making me smile... or maybe it's just a coincidence. LOL, I may never know.
    Last edited by zoas23; 05-10-2016 at 10:10 PM.

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    Last edited by Awani; 05-11-2016 at 10:45 AM.
    Don’t let the delusion of reality confuse you regarding the reality of the illusion.


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    Make of this what you will


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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    Make of this what you will
    Deeply subtle! Humor is always the most effective vehicle for Truth. One immediately reacts and almost embarrassingly laughs, but it chillingly stirs something deep inside of us, but often cannot consciously be deciphered...

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    A monologue from the otherwise waste-of-time-of-a-movie 'If There's A Hell Below':

    Here, let's start with this (points at smartphone).

    Did you make this?

    This incredibly complex device, with thousands of precise components, assembled by people whose lives are shit, working for you.

    Are you under the impression that you are just some fortunate guy and the rest of the world wants to work with poor eyesight and hungry stomachs and bloody fingers, for you to amuse yourself?

    These things do not just happen. People wield power to make them happen.

    If you honestly think you could enjoy anything close to your lifestyle, your iPads and you fair trade coffee and you discount airfares and your press freedoms without the threat of enormous power behind you, you're delusional.

    You are a party to these actions, you are complicit and deep down you know it.

    I do what I do because someone has to.

    This world is chaos and fear and desperation and violence, and the only thing that has brought any security and order to it, is the careful and ruthless application of power.

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