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    Zionist Occupation Government (ZOG) Failure - Free Thinker DETECTED

    I never saw this thread before.

    The so called "Hyperborean Gnosis" is quite popular in South America, which is where I live.

    It became popular here with the Chilean Miguel Serrano:


    The Argentinean Luis Felipe Moyana (A.K.A. "Nimrod de Rosario")


    And the Veganist Movement (which has nothing to do with the word "Vegan" as it is used to describe those who don't consume animal products) mainly in Argentina, Bolivia and Perú:


    The theories of the Hyperborean origins of mankind (with "Mankind" meaning the "Aryans") began with Karl Penka, whose theories were followed by Guido von List (who mostly mixed them with weird ideas that Blavatsky "channeled") to create his own philosophy of an "Aryosophy", that became the main corpus of influence of the Nazi party.

    These ideas were followed later by other assholes like Robert Charroux, who mostly believed that the white Aryans came from U.F.O.s and dominated the world in ancient times... these same ideas were taken later by the "Hyperborean Gnostics" to create paranoid visions of a world dominated by the evil Jews, who only existed to oppress the pure Aryans and invented the Abrahamic Religions to brainwash everyone and extablish a "Zionist Occupation Government".

    Then you have some idiots like Serrano or Nimrod who travelled to the South Pole believing that Hitler went there transported by an UFO and tried to find him after WWII because they thought that he was the new Messiah. Well, they didn't find him and returned with a flu.

    Some facts are pretty obvious... like this weird theory that Jesus was invented in the XI Century!!!! (LOL). It must have taken a lot of time to write all the references to Jesus in the XI Century and invent writers such as Boethius, Origen, Plotinus, the Nag-Hammadi scriptures, Valentinus, Iraneous, Eriugena, etc...

    Oh wait... my bullshit detector is about to explode...


    Pardon me, but racist idiocy based on paranoid bullshit is something that simply switches off my usually polite ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoas23 View Post
    Some facts are pretty obvious... like this weird theory that Jesus was invented in the XI Century!!!! (LOL). It must have taken a lot of time to write all the references to Jesus in the XI Century and invent writers such as Boethius, Origen, Plotinus, the Nag-Hammadi scriptures, Valentinus, Iraneous, Eriugena, etc...
    Everything can be planted or fabricated... Police fabricates (or plants) evidence quite often... this is not a new practice

    Who knows, maybe Jesus was invented 2000+ years ago and then again re-invented in 1086 AD? Even in our times, there are/were many jesus-wannabe characters... Maybe 1000 years from now, one of them will be revised as the actual Jesus? Who knows?

    Quote Originally Posted by zoas23 View Post
    Pardon me, but racist idiocy based on paranoid bullshit is something that simply switches off my usually polite ways.
    Quote Originally Posted by HappyPotter View Post
    Also in Vedic culture there are no ‘chosen people’ of God as in Judaism, whether Jew, African, Aryan, Asian, Indian, whatever, everyone has the potential for spiritual development, nor has/did zionism, nazism, communism, socialism, democracy etc have anything to do with it, nor is it a ‘religious institution’ or a ‘civilization’.
    I didn't detect any racism in HP's posts... Maybe you're talking more about the Hyperborean 'movements' in South America?

    Quote Originally Posted by zoas23 View Post
    Then you have some idiots like Serrano or Nimrod who traveled to the South Pole believing that Hitler went there transported by an UFO and tried to find him after WWII because they thought that he was the new Messiah. Well, they didn't find him and returned with a flu.
    All value judgements aside, Hitler doesn't strike me as the type who would like to be found... maybe he hid really well

    I suspect 'Jesus' wouldn't want to be found by (most) 'christians' either

    My 'truth' is that I have absolutely no idea what happened (with Jesus, Hitler, the aliens, etc...), so I can't really comment. Not to mention alternative timelines

    But if I ever time-travel to those events, I'll report back here.

    Edit: I just read some bits by Nimrod and if we take away the race crap (and other superfluities), I think we can find some valuable Gnostic insights there.

    If you want a splendid allegorical tale with a strong Gnostic flavor but without the race stuff, I highly recommend reading "Empire V" by Victor Pelevin. I only found it in English as a Kindle version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    Everything can be planted or fabricated... Police fabricates (or plants) evidence quite often... this is not a new practice

    Who knows, maybe Jesus was invented 2000+ years ago and then again re-invented in 1086 AD? Even in our times, there are/were many jesus-wannabe characters... Maybe 1000 years from now, one of them will be revised as the actual Jesus? Who knows?
    I don't see any significant change in the notion of "Jesus" taking place in the XI Century.
    And there is a VAST literature that existed before the XI Century that already mentions "Jesus"... Yeah, it can be a conspiracy of the evil Zionist Occupation Government, which didn't limit itself to invent "Jesus", but also invented the whole corpus of texts that precede the XI century.

    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    I didn't detect any racism in HP's posts... Maybe you're talking more about the Hyperborean 'movements' in South America?
    Quote Originally Posted by HappyPotter View Post
    Example;
    Word NAGA does not come from Sanskrit, it comes from Slavic Aryan (H'Aryan and Da'Aryan), it was simply recorded in Sanskrit upon arrival of H'Aryans and Da’Aryans on the Saraswati river in Indus Valley. Sanskrit itself is artificially created language (for the preservation of H'Aryan and Da'Aryan oral traditions since approximately ~603,000 BC) and derived from H'Aryan and Da'Aryan Runic (1400 runes total). The closest language to H'Aryan and Da'Aryan currently is Russian or Old Slavic family of languages throughout the Europe. In Old Slavic the Sanskrit’s ORIGINAL word NAGAS was written as NAGI (НАГИ), with original meaning that alleged “Adam” and “Eve” (adapa race) were the "seed" and offspring of NAGAS (it is suffice to note here that all current human races are not descendants from Nagas-Nachash, except THE ORIGINAL HEBREWS – later described in Torah as the Levi (currently called Cohen) tribe which was artificially "cross-bread" to serve NAGAS-NACHASH themselves). When Bible was translated from the ORIGINAL OLD SLAVIC (H’Aryan) into alleged "ancient" Hebrew approximately in 1050 AD in Byzantium by the scribes of bloodline of Isaak Angel (Hebrew is an artificially created tongue and alphabet by NAGAS-NACHASH-COSCHEI), the neuro-lingual container of NAGAS (НАГИ) was intentionally translated and transliterated as word “NAKED”, thus changing the meaning of the original neuro-lingual container, and with the play on the root of the neuro-lingual container of the original word abbreviated THE OFFSPRING OF SAURIAN RACE NAGAS (НАГИ) it became to be a neuro-lingual container for the word NAKED - all that was done for the sole purpose of hiding the original ancestry of ORIGINAL HEBREWS (Hebrew [עִבְרִית] means “cross-over through copulation”).
    Andro... It is, I assume, quite clear by now for you how much respect I have about your views and knowledge.
    But I don't think you know too much about the genealogy of these theories... which mostly come from racist anthropologists of the XIX Century and found their epitome with Guido von List and his "Aryosophy"... probably one of the most stupid esoteric movements that ever existed with bizarre ideas that became the core of the proto-nazi movement... besides from his oddities (i.e, that the Qabalah was invented by Aryan Germans in the North and then stolen by the Jews... any person who knows about the REAL origins of Qabalah knows that it is simply a product of Alexandria and a mix of Marcusian Gnosticism, Neo-Platonism and ideas taken from Philo of Alexandria... and it doesn't really have any kind of direct connection with the Runes).

    And, no, these ideas didn't become racist in South America... they began being racist. The ONLY difference is that in South America these ideas got mixed up with Julius Evola's ideas of "Spiritual Aryans" and some people like Serrano started to talk about the "Aryan Chilean Race", declaring that the Mapuches (the aborigines of Chile) were "white" and "Aryan".

    These ideas in South America derived in bizarre movements like Martin Quispe Mayta's movement (The National Socialist Party of Peru)... who have even more bizarre ideas to share (i.e, that Francisco Pizarro was secretly a jew -an idea only supported by... nothing- who planned the extermination of the South American aborigines because they were "white Aryans").
    Mayta and his *Aryan* friends:


    But it's not in South America that these ideas became racist:

    "The three godfathers of the Nazi Thule were Guido von List (1848-1919), Jorg Lanz von Liebenfels (1874-1954), and Rudolf von Sebottendorff (1875-1945). It is significant that all three decided at some point to adorn their plain bourgeois names with the particle von (which in German suggests noble descent even when it is not further defined by Graf, Baron, etc.). One of the hallmarks of master-race philosophy is that no one is known to have embraced it who does not consider himself a member of that race. And what is more tempting, having once adopted the belief that one's own race is chosen by Nature or God for preeminence, than to put oneself at its aristocratic summit?
    "The Viennese Jorg Lanz, a former religious of the Cistercian Order, was the founder in 1907 of the Order the New Templars (ONT), a chivalric, gnostic, and ritualistic order with the most extreme of racist ideals. There can be little doubt that the ONT, with its lodges in ruined castles, was the prototype for Heinrich Himmler's Schutzstaffel (the notorious 'SS'), as it was transformed after 1930 to become the training- and breeding-ground for the masters of a New Age of Aryan supremacy. Lanz was a very copious writer on biblical exegesis, astrology, antifeminism, and many other topics. One of his earliest creations, in about 1900, was Theozoology: a new 'science' inspired by H. P. Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine.
    "Blavatsky had explain the origin of the anthropoid apes, not as remnants of the ancestors mankind, but as the descendants of bestiality committed by the Third Race (Lemurians) with monstrous animals. Lanz applied this principle in the most perverted way: the non-Aryan races, he said, were the result of bestiality on the part of the ancient Aryans, after their departure from the northern Garden of Eden. To deal with these peoples, thus regarded as only semi-human, Lanz recommended variously: enforced sterilization and castration; deportation to Madagascar; enslavement; incineration a sacrifice to God; and use as beasts of burden. As Goodrick-Clarke comments, 'Both the psychopathology of the Nazi holocaust and the subjugation of non-Aryans in the East were presaged by Lanz's grim speculations.'
    "It is no surprise that Lanz had a theory about the original homeland of the Aryans: it was a vanished polar continent called Arktogaa (from the Greek: 'northern earth'). This was adopted by his older acquaintance Guido von List, another Viennese mythomaniac who, more than anyone else, laid the foundation for the romantic blend of ideas that links the proto-Nazis uncannily with the Greens and New-Agers of today: an interest in natural living, vegetarianism, anti-industrialism; an appreciation of prehistoric monuments and the wisdom of those who built them; a feeling for astrology, earth energies, and natural cycles; a religious outlook vaguely resembling that of Theosophy. The generic name given to this kind of thinking was volkisch, an untranslatable word on the borderlines between nationalistic and folkloric."
    (Arktos: The Polar Myth in Science, Symbolism, and Nazi Survival, Joscelyn Godwin, pgs. 48-49)
    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    All value judgements aside, Hitler doesn't strike me as the type who would like to be found by 'idiots'... maybe he hid really well
    Yeah... in the South Pole and taken there by an UFO... an idea that was only supported by Miguel Serrano's weird imagination.

    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    I suspect 'Jesus' wouldn't want to be found by christians either
    LOL.... I actually think that "Jesus" would have no problem with the "Christians"... but this statement depends a lot on how we define "Jesus" and specially how we define "Christian" (i.e, I don't think the Roman Catholic religion has any kind of connection with Christianity).

    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    My 'truth' is that I have absolutely no idea what happened (with Jesus, Hitler, the aliens, etc...), so I can't really comment. Not to mention alternative timelines

    But if I ever time-travel to those events, I'll report back here.
    I don't have any kind of evidence that shows that the humans were not sent in airplanes to a volcano on Earth by the evil Xenu... But it's not too hard to get that the Scientologists have a very silly understanding of History.

    I'm sadly too familiar with these "Aryosophic" theories and I know where they come from and how they were created and which ones are its real origins and which one is the ideology behind them... and I wasn't surprised by the "ZOG Failure - Free Thinker detected" image.

    There's lots of neo-nazi forums, such as stormfront or national vanguard to talk about this bullshit... with a lot of "Free Thinkers" with peanut-sized brains. I already lived my childhood under a fascist military dictatorship.... so my tolerance for this type of fascist nonsense is quite small.

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    I can only admit to not having enough knowledge to form an 'educated opinion'.

    You acquaintance with these movements & philosophies is obviously much more expansive than mine

    Personally, I prefer to extract the principles and their synthesis and leave aside the racial/social/historical/cultural (revisionist?) politics... (what I refer to as 'superfluities').

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    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    I can only admit to not having enough knowledge to form an 'educated opinion'.

    You acquaintance with these movements & philosophies is obviously much more expansive than mine

    Personally, I prefer to extract the principles and their synthesis and leave aside the racial/social/historical/cultural (revisionist?) politics... (what I refer to as 'superfluities').
    Well, dear Adro, I think I have more knowledge of where these ideas are coming from than you do.

    A short explanation:

    One of my BIG fetishes is neo-platonism and something strange that happened in the last 15 or 20 years is that the leading academic authorities on the subject are Spanish speakers and actually Argentineans (living both in Argentina and in Spain). I am talking about the current Status-Quo of the Academia when it comes to Neo-Platonism.

    This weird "elite" of fascist neo-platonists managed to take over the Academic world thanks to the gentle economic collaboration of an Argentinean billionaire... who finances their deluxe editions of bullshit.

    Their main political referent is called Alejandro Biondini (also known as "Kalki")... an Argentinean weirdo who is into Hitlerian cosplay (he's *sadly* bald... so his impersonation doesn't feature the classical Hitlerian haircut):


    (he never managed to get more than 0.5% of the votes in any election and is mostly seen as a freak).

    Biondini himself is not a writer on neo-platonism, but he mostly endorses the racial theories of the Nazi party and "Hitlerian Occultism"... with its "South American version"... that gives some weird twists to make the American Aborigines becomes "White Aryans".

    Since I LOVE neo-platonism a lot and I started to find the new (Spanish written) books on the subject populated by this nonsense... I began to investigate the genealogy of this idiocy. So I know the history of these ideas, where they come from, their origins, etc... and I've learnt to read "between the lines".

    Soooo... the BIG issue is always the same: who is an übermensch and who is an untermensch?

    As you probably know, Nazism didn't classify the American Aborigines as "Übermensch", but quite the opposite...

    Neo-Nazism is getting popular in Russia (you are probably aware of this issue)... the problem is that the Nazis were not exactly in love with the Slavic people...

    Some sort of psychological problem makes some weirdos support these proto-Nazi and Nazi ideals... but they find the BIG problem that they don't really classify as "Übermensch" if they follow the Nazi standards.

    This is the first time I see the "Slavic version" of these theories... with its strange twists that make the Slavic people become "Aryans" and one of the "Original Pure Races".

    The title of this thread could have been: "Oh, please read how I'm a Slavic Russian, but follow my twisted arguments based on XIX century racist anthropology with a Slavic twist that will try to demonstrate that the Russians are Übermensch too, like the German Aryans that Hitler loved!".

    When someone wants to demonstrate something that is idiotic in itself, quite often you'll end up finding that the thesis has to include the most bizarre arguments you can conceive (i.e, Jesus being a XI Century invention, an absolutely incorrect philology about some words and their origin... and a bizarre interpretation of some myths -i.e, We find in this thread that the Inca God Viracocha was actually a White Aryan God... an idea that was also supported by the Nazi Arnold Krumm-Heller, who also made his own weird Aryan Rosicrucian cult making the Mexicans become "Aryans" and adopted the name "Viracocha" himself).

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    Since these subjects leave a sour taste in my mouth, here's a nice story:

    It was 1936 and the German diplomat for the U.K. saw a self-portrait of Austin Osman Spare at an exhibition and purchased it because his face in the portrait looked a bit like the face of Hitler... The portrait was sent to Hitler as a gift by the diplomat.

    Hitler fell in love with it and wrote to AOS a personal letter asking him to travel to Germany as to paint him. He wanted AOS to paint a portrait of him.

    AOS wrote back and kept a copy of the letter.

    A few years after the end of WWII, in 1948, AOS wrote in an identical portrait that the one that Hitler owned a part of the letter he sent back to Adolf Hitler. It is interesting that he also had to restore this portrait because it was partly destroyed by a Nazi bomb that fell in his studio in 1941 and almost killed him.



    The image is too small as to read the letter, but here's what it says:
    Written to A.Hitler after invitation to paint his portrait 1936:
    'When I look at you...whether the retch out all kinship or close my eyes and so accept a more abstract value, a reverse side - I know not? Only from negations can I wholesomely conceive you..for I know no courage sufficient to stomach your aspirations and ultimates. If you are superman - let me be forever animal..."
    Self-Portrait restoration, partly destroyed [in] 1941. Original in Germany, formerly owned by Hitler.
    Austin Osman Spare 1948
    Following this reply that AOS sent to Hitler, even if AOS didn't like it at all to be "followed" by anyone... my general reply to this thread would be:

    "If that's how you conceive the übermensch, let me be forever an untermensch that loves too much as to embrace this idiocy".

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