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    The Parisian Sect of the "Grand Lunaire" - Fulcanelli Affair

    Here is a short article where I gathered some references and sources about this Parisian Satanist Sect (or Luciferian whatever).

    Why is it so interesting for us alchemists ? Simply because there is a strong link with Fulcanelli, Canseliet and some other people that were gravitating around them.

    Even a book is written about this Sect : (in french) by Gino Sandri : "Le Grand Lunaire".


    "En effet, Gino corrobore dans ce petit essai ce qui nous avait déjà été soufflé par ailleurs sur le Très Haut Lunaire. S'appuyant sur le livre d'Ambelain consacré à La Franc-Maçonnerie oubliée (Laffont, 1988), il estime que Canseliet lui-même y aurait appartenu, comme Champagne."article-tres-haut-champagne-119983423.html

    Here it is said that Canseliet and Champagne (the drawer of Fulcanelli) were part of the Très Haut Lunaire, or Grand Lunaire... and this is Ambelain that says that, he was also when he was young, part of this order.


    « Il (Julien Champagne) contribua à constituer dans les parages de l’église Saint Merri une société luciférienne très fermée, dont il dessina lui-même, pour l’occultum où se tenaient les séances rituéliques, le Baphomet, démon mâle et femelle à tête et pieds de bouc ; à ce simulacre templier (…), il ajouta, sous la main droite, un postérieur mitré et, brandi par la main gauche, un emblème impossible à décrire. » et Geyraud d’ajouter que, plus tard, on modifia ce « symbole satanique » (sic) pour lui retirer son caractère d’irréligion et de grossière sexualité.
    Accentuant le côté sulfureux de l’affaire, Geyraud y ajoute une note dramatique : « Champagne devait mourir d’une mort affreuse et lente, rue Rochechouart, pour avoir trahi la secte. Après une lutte inégale et atroce, son corps supplicié, dont la blessure horrible fit croire à quelque lésion lépreuse, fut inhumé au cimetière de Villiers le Bel, où M. Canseliet entretient avec piété son humble sépulture. »

    http://www.editions-arqa.com/edition...hp?article2804

    It is said here, that Champagne was the chief of this order. And he drew a Baphomet, that was lately transformed because it was too gross. Geyraud, member of the sect said : Champagne had to die of a slow and horrible death because he betrayed the sect...

    http://www.archerjulienchampagne.com...-11948348.html
    "Le T.H.L. est une société luciférienne...Le Pape noir est, comme les autres dirigeants, alchimiste...Il y a là un éditeur de la rive gauche."
    Je pense que cet éditeur de la rive gauche, et de la main gauche, est A. Rouhier.
    "L'enseignement suprême, ajoute Pierre Geyraud, est notamment basé sur les livres de Fulcanelli. Dans un ouvrage postérieur, L'occultisme à Paris (Emile Paul, 1953), Pierre Geyraud au chapitre Alchimie attribuera même à Julien Champagne, qu'il confondait avec Fulcanelli, le titre de co-fondateur du Grand Lunaire"


    The Black Pope, alike all the others, is an alchemist...he is A. Rouhier. The supreme teachings are based on the Fulcanelli's books.
    You can remember that Fulcanelli speaks in his books of the Baphomet and its symbolism.

    Jules Boucher, friend of Gaston Sauvage, and Champagne also was in the order : he was under the pseudonym of Herjus le Bouc (herjus the goat). see http://rflexionssurtroispoints.blogs...ees-jules.html

    An anonym commentary said :
    Anonyme30 août 2011 18:21
    Bonjour. Pour information, je signale que Robert Ambelain écrit à la page 72 de l'ouvrage "la "Franc-maçonnerie oubliée" que les membres du "grand lunaire" pratiquaient le tantrisme de main gauche et le satanisme avec profanation d'hosties." Jules Boucher qui appartint au Grand Lunaire plusieurs années eut beaucoup de mal à en sortir et se fit pour cela exorciser par Jean Bricaud " .

    Ambelain in his book "the forgotten franc maconnery", wrote that the members of the Grand Lunaire did tantrism of the left hand, and satanism with desecration of hosts. Jules Boucher who was member several years, had a lot of difficulties to get out of it, and was exorcized by Jean Bricaud.

    Let's talk now about Gaston Sauvage ...

    Entre 1922 et 1923, Gaston Sauvage, âgé de 25 ou 26 ans, a assisté à la transmutation de plomb en or dans le laboratoire du 1er étage de l'usine à gaz de Sarcelles, réalisée par Eugène Canseliet, sous les directives de Fulcanelli et en présence de Julien Champagne...
    M. Sauvage a été le Pape noir de la secte « Le Grand Lunaire » (Très Haut Lunaire) de magie noire et satanisme. Jules Boucher, Dr Alexandre Rouhier (1888-1968) et Julien Champagne (et autres) aussi ont fait partie de cette secte satanique.

    http://fulgrosse.over-blog.com/40-index.html

    He is the young man that assisted of the transmutation made by Canseliet in the gaz usine of Sarcelles in 1922, in presence of Champagne.
    He was the Black Pope of the Sect. (Black magick and satanism).

    Maybe you are aware that a Templar Commanderie gave a ring, a Baphomet Ring in fact to Fulcanelli. Canseliet had the same and the brother in law of Champagne also had one.

    This is the ring :

    I will not describe all the symbolism linked to this ring, because for us, alchemists, it is obvious.




    Lately a french man postesd this on his facebook saying that the Devil was in the details :



    Pierre Dujols (1862-1926) Was murdered in very strange conditions. The Templar Baphomet (ring) he held had been stolen... They said Champagne had to die too. Two murders ? ... Maybe ...

    So, the question is, were there some other people, of highest influence behind them at that time ? Does this sect still exists ?
    Should we think that Fulcanelli's books are linked to this sect ? Does Fulcanelli was the occult chief of this order ? Maybe he was just a nickname for some of the members of the group.

    Just my 2 cents on this affair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salazius View Post
    . . . this Parisian Satanist Sect (or Luciferian whatever).
    It reminds me of the satanic group based from Germany (early 1920s) around the time of Bardon, except for the fact he didn't become a member, but was prosecuted.

    I'm sure you recall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salazius View Post
    . . . Fulcanelli, Canseliet and some other people that were gravitating around them.
    The more the occult power, the more the attraction is for "forces" that feed off and benefit from such energies. This research surprise me not, almost expected considering the possible "power" transmutation could bring.

    Like moths to a flame.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salazius View Post
    The Black Pope, alike all the others, is an alchemist...he is A. Rouhier. The supreme teachings are based on the Fulcanelli's books.
    You can remember that Fulcanelli speaks in his books of the Baphomet and its symbolism.
    My interest and focus is on 15th, 16th, 17th century alchemy books. But the little I know of Fulcanelli's writings always prompted a query inside of me about the richness and wealth of symbolism in his books. A man as such, if it wasn't written by a group (i.e., Bacon's Spear-Shakers) then at least it would have drawn from vast associations with then avant-garde occult groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salazius View Post
    Maybe he was just a nickname for some of the members of the group.
    Wouldn't be unorthodox. When members are initiated, they often take on new names associated with their illumination. It would make more sense that he would wear a pseudoname.

    Thanks for this exposé.

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    This ring is a beauty. I stumpled upon it some time ago and considered having one done for myself. On the other hand besides the obvious symbolism there may be other things connected to the ring, like the mentioned sects with wich I don't really feel a need to connect.
    On the other hand (or ringfinger?) it would feel like cheating having one done without transmuted gold. But maybe I have to go through the other colors first ;-)

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    The theory sounds a bit like a modern version of Léo Taxil (satanism, black popes, etc)
    It also leads one to believe that MAYBE they were simply into on of the offshoots or "versions" of the Rite of Strict Observance (i.e, a rite that really wanted to be Templar, until the whole thing became somehow impossible to justify).
    "Fulcanelli" and Canseliet could not be more Christian because the day only had 24 hours... I even think (without taking a wild guess) that one of the BIG issues that Canseliet had with René Guénon was that Guénon had "given up" Christianity and converted to Islam... so it gets hard to make the two ideas match (i.e, "Canseliet the Satanist" and "Canseliet the Christian pissed off at someone who had given up Christianity").

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    If there was a Order there must have been initiation documents and manuscripts containing all the secrets of the Order. Many of the secret documents were leaked during and after second world war especially in france which was overrun by nazis.

    Intrigues, murders and the betrayal of brothers are the symptoms of a failed order. Maybe that was the true reason why the third book of Fulcanelli never came out, most of the writers/illustrators were already dead. Disappointing, really...
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    Quote Originally Posted by True Initiate View Post
    Maybe that was the true reason why the third book of Fulcanelli never came out, most of the writers/illustrators were already dead. Disappointing, really...
    Maybe documents, or maybe no more ... I guess it was at a time a major affair, with a lot of well known people gravitating around the "Chat Noir" cabaret in Paris and this lodge. Canseliet said that Champagne lost the friendship of Fulcanelli because he knew about the magickal Black Order of the Grand Lunaire (Great Lunar).

    Let's also say that all the "Fucanelli" dedications and forewords in the two books (Mysteries and les Demeures), given to friends etc, were of the hand (that is for sure) of Champagne. And Champagne also dedicated a postcard to his friend and Master "Dujol" (Pierre). That was very close of the style of writting of Fulcanelli, but not at all an adept seemingly, he was very ill. And Champagne was completely alcoholic, as said Canseliet, but can we trust him ?


    The in.famous place where all or a great majority of the order gathered.

    The ring looks completely doomed. I don't like it very much neither. They said it came from a Templar commandery in Bretagne/Brittany France. There is no clue about that. But some also said that M.A de Nantes of his real name Pierre Aristide Monnier was the master of Fulcanelli, maybe this comes from him (the ring). There is no proof about that either - but at last he lived near Brittany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    This ring is a beauty.


    Even with the symbolism... This is one UGLY ring!


    (beauty is in eyes of the beholder, etc...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisztian View Post
    It reminds me of the satanic group based from Germany (early 1920s) around the time of Bardon, except for the fact he didn't become a member, but was prosecuted.

    I'm sure you recall.

    Thanks for this exposé.
    De rien

    Like the FOGC ? The min emblem of this lodge was the Saturn symbol.
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