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    Great start, Androgynus! I'm looking forward to the rest.

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    Very thanks Androgynus I am looking forward to the rest thanks alfr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    This almost deserves a separate section, so it won't be buried within these 60 pages (and growing).
    At Dev's earlier advice and Illen's suggestion (above), I've moved this whole topic into a thread of its own, because it diverges a bit too much from the 'Spiritus Mundi' thread, where it was originally posted.

    When a few of us met in Amsterdam earlier in July, some of us gave talks on various subjects.

    My own talk was about and around the topics that I had started to present here (on this thread), and it took me around 2.5 hours of talking to barely even scratch the surface of what I wished to convey...

    I realized how extremely difficult it is to put all this into words when speaking freely, and even more difficult in writing.

    I still haven't given up trying, but my free/available time is limited, so it may still take a while.

    The talk was recorded/videotaped, but I'm not sure I want to renounce this relative anonymity I have right now and make it public.

    It was my first time talking in public about these concepts, and it was not an easy task at all.

    So I guess we'll see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    I have noticed that a relative majority of Alchemists (at least here) is mostly UN-interested in the 'Spiritus Mundi' topic, . . .
    I hold this topic to be interesting and important. I hope you do proceed and dialogue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    Perhaps the most significant point I wanted to make with this post is that Alchemy, even though it DOES involve 'lab' work in a sense, is also most definitely a spiritual path, given the internal level of inner/personal revelation and shift of perspective/vision that it requires to receive the necessary 'Keys' to put it into practice.
    Sure.


    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    . . . every Alchemist I have ever met in my travels around the world is applying different methods/techniques, while still observing the very same principles. In other words, there are probably as many 'recipes' as there are Alchemists.
    The other aspect of this may also be that when old alchemists said "seed of metals" for example, they didn't actually refer to working with metals, that being the case with Philalethes. In other words, the many different terms used throughout this vast field may mean something quite the same but the diversity of people, their thinking, has evolved it into diverse ways of exploring that in the lab.

    At the end of the day, it's about results, and lab-work sincerely gives feedback and can sober up delusions, confusion, and ego-inflations. How many other spiritual disciplines can say that?

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    ......androgynus , my prime interest in alchemy at the moment also involves the spiritual path.....im making attempts to separate the mystery and trying to pin down exactly , what is what......although i keep getting this voice saying 'remember that the hermeticist's mottoe is......."as above , so below , as below so above'' '........so im trying to tread lightly and carefully......

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleeding yolk View Post
    making attempts to separate the mystery and trying to pin down exactly , what is what...
    "We who solve mystery, become mystery..." - Unknown
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    Quote Originally Posted by bleeding yolk View Post
    trying to pin down exactly , what is what
    On this thread, you could start with the POO (Paradox Of Origin) - at least from the perspective I have to offer...

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    On this thread, you could start with the POO (Paradox Of Origin) - at least from the perspective I have to offer...
    .....well....your theory of poo..........is basically the classical interpretation of the cosmos....especially amongst the neo-platonists and kabbalists (ain soph and sophia ).......of course this is all highly abstract and gets very messy when you come down to our particular world with its highly involved and intricate relationships amongst all forces.......

    ....there is one difference ....and that is the paradox.......the neo-platonists esteemed the all to come from the one......and although this is an unknowable thing to creatures ,...it could only be called paradoxical in that it transcends logical reasoning and values.......

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    Hey Andro

    I've been thinking on this lately:

    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    107. It is from this Objective & UN-Knowable Natural State of 'Being'/'Meditation', that the All/Infinite Mind thinks/imagines (within ITself) the progression of Subjective & Knowable 'Becoming'. This is accomplished by the Universal/Infinite Mind through Focusing Infinite Potential into its own Oppo-Same 'Polarity' of Zero Potential (Void/Nothingness/Emptiness). In other words, IT is having a Genesis Intercourse with ITself.

    108.
    So it 'begins' - the Subjectively Knowable Creation, which is always completely virtual 'inside' the Universal Mind and never 'external' to it, as there can be 'no-thing' outside 'All That Is'. There is no 'Big Bang', no 'outward' expansion (there is no 'out' of The All), only an inner Thought projection (imbibition ) of Mind upon ITself, paralleling the Alchemical Process.

    109. This 'Virtual Reality' Creation is a progression of 'Becoming' (as opposed to 'Being', which, lacking a Space/Time mental construct, cannot be a 'progression'), as it renders the necessary 'Phantasmagorias' which are 'known' as Subjectively Knowable Space, Time, Energy, Matter, etc...
    The question I ask myself is, when 'Being' moves to 'Becoming', does 'Being' place any restrictions on itself other than the direction of its 'Becoming'?

    The direction I have been leaning, is that the initial path of 'Being's 'Becoming' never changes, it can only be augmented negatively by accepting perceived restrictions, or positively by accepting new qualities which strengthen its core structure.

    I guess, if there was a part you could clarify about your understanding, is how one 'Becoming' inside 'Being' is affected by another 'Becoming'; whether it is because they are two separate things, or that it's One Thing adapting to Itself, or that it's both. I understand the interaction on a more Fixt level as being 1+1 = 1 (Salazius' alchemical mathematics ).

    In the end, it seems the Art comes in by making adjustments to Zero Potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiorionis View Post
    How one 'Becoming' inside 'Being' is affected by another 'Becoming'; whether it is because they are two separate things, or that it's not, because it's One Thing adapting to Itself. I understand the interaction on a more Fixt level as being 1+1 = 1 (Salazius' alchemical mathematics ).
    As I have already suggested in Amsterdam (the talk will eventually be available online ), it can be One Thing and still interact with itself.

    As for how 'one' Becoming is affected by 'another' Becoming, it is the same as characters in a play/virtual reality affecting each other, or as your understanding is affected by Salazius' Alchemical Mathematics

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiorionis View Post
    In the end, it seems the Art comes in by making adjustments to Zero Potential.
    If by this you mean evolving the 'Blank Page' (First Matter), then I would say yes, from within Becoming.

    However, in the case of Being, between Zero Potential and Infinite Potential/Possibility, there is an ever ongoing 'negotiation' for Equilibrium.

    This elusive and paradoxical Point of Being/Equilibrium doesn't require 'Adjustments'.

    It is Law by & onto itself

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