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    I have both your books, Sam, and they are both very good translations. Keep up the good work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    I have both your books, Sam, and they are both very good translations. Keep up the good work!
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    And I don't even account for the pirating via upload of scanned copies.
    I have recently heard about this, that Sam's previous translation work (Hermes Old and True Natural Path) has been scanned and made available for free downloading.

    This is not some 'evil' mega-corporation or government mafia we're talking about, these are the efforts of a few private & dedicated individuals who have given their time and knowledge to this painstaking work of making these great texts available in English for the first time.

    My recommendation:

    BUY THE BOOK(S) ! ! !

    (I did, and have never once regretted it)

    And show a little support & appreciation in the form of some energy-exchange!

    If you download a scanned copy, at least show your support in other ways, like a donation or whatever!

    Sam, why don't you set up a donation option/link somewhere?

    I.M.S.O.

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    Last edited by Andro; 12-29-2014 at 03:36 PM.

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    I have bought both these books and they are very valuable from a knowledge point of view.

    Even if you are thinking of illegally downloading these works, from a purely selfish point of view they will be worth many times their price in a year or two. (Look at the price of "Dwellings.." or "Works of Philalethes...." now compared to the original price.

    And if you are serious about Alchemy, it is very nice to have real printed books rather than stapled A4 sheets.

    Sam I really appreciate the effort you have made, and I would like to think there is some way we could encourage you to continue with these translations.

    If the people who already bought your translations could promise to buy any future translations, maybe even electronically..........

    It would be great to see an organisation like Ritman sponsor any of your endeavours

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    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    I have recently heard about this, that Sam's previous translation work (Hermes Old and True Natural Path) has been scanned and made available for free downloading.

    This is not some 'evil' mega-corporation or government mafia we're talking about, these are the efforts of a few private & dedicated individuals who have given their time and knowledge to this painstaking work of making these great texts available in English for the first time.

    My recommendation:

    BUY THE BOOK(S) ! ! !

    (I did, and have never once regretted it)

    And show a little support & appreciation in the form of some energy-exchange!

    If you download a scanned copy, at least show your support in other ways, like a donation or whatever!

    Sam, why don't you set up a donation option/link somewhere?

    I.M.S.O.

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    Hi Androgynus,

    I'm not sure why you're implying that I "downloaded a scanned copy". I mentioned in an earlier message that I purchased both books and that I sympathize with Sam concerning the downloaded books (I will also be one of the authors of a book in the near future, and have been a contributor to a couple of books written a decade or so ago). In fact, I might have been the very first to purchase a copy of his latest book, since I ordered it minutes after he posted about the release (I mentioned in an earlier post how it arrived in a very few day's time - see Post #10).

    I generally purchase books unless the book is out of print and no longer available. I far prefer a printed book to an electronic version.

    Illen
    Last edited by Illen A. Cluf; 12-29-2014 at 09:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    Hi Androgynus,

    I'm not sure why you're implying that I "downloaded a scanned copy". I mentioned in an earlier message that I purchased both books and that I sympathize with Sam concerning the downloaded books (I will also be one of the authors of a book in the near future, and have been a contributor to a couple of books written a decade or so ago). In fact, I might have been the very first to purchase a copy of his latest book, since I ordered it minutes after he posted about the release (I mentioned in an earlier post how it arrived in a very few day's time - see Post #10).

    I generally purchase books unless the book is out of print and no longer available. I far prefer a printed book to an electronic version.

    Illen
    Oops, TOTALLY unintentional!!!

    I know you bought the books (I've seen the post you've mentioned) and I actually quoted you as a positive example, to support the purchasing of the books...

    Sorry it came out the wrong way.

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    Thanx guys - into this equation funnels also my frustration about the generally very small number of copies sold, even before the scanned copy became available.
    I know alchemy is a tiny corner of the world - but that small I did not anticipate. I certainly did not expect to get rich or anything but never feared that my initial costs would not even be covered. In fact I had hoped for an hourly income in the range of a McDonadls employee

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    Sam, it has been published for only 40 days. You must give the people some time to find out about it. It could take a few years to become very popular. The good news is that you already finished the hard part. Now all you have to do is keep it on the market and you will eventually achieve your hourly income goal.

    Thank you for these good quality translations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Androgynus View Post
    Oops, TOTALLY unintentional!!!

    I know you bought the books (I've seen the post you've mentioned) and I actually quoted you as a positive example, to support the purchasing of the books...

    Sorry it came out the wrong way.
    Thanks for understanding, Androgynus. By the way, Happy New Year!

    Illen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dendritic Xylem View Post
    Sam, it has been published for only 40 days. You must give the people some time to find out about it. It could take a few years to become very popular. The good news is that you already finished the hard part. Now all you have to do is keep it on the market and you will eventually achieve your hourly income goal.

    Thank you for these good quality translations
    Thanx a bunch for your understanding. But no, it does not work that way in the self-publishing world. I have 5 books out now starting from 2005 - and sales on the oldest are near nil (one per year). I was initially much better running than any of my alchemy books. But as a publisher you are caught between direkt sales with relatively high margins or neglectable margins if you go via amazon.

    If a book has a target audience of roughly 300 people world-wide its a matter of luck if you make it or not, even if the content is superior.

    Some authors in the field have dealt with this situation via the price. You find new books for $ 250 a piece. Only very few will purchase those but even if 3 do I make what I expect to make. Its more like a job for a client really. And there are quite a few "private" alchemy translations out there that will never see the bookmarket, made for rich clients. If this is not just a hobby thats the best way to go. I am in the middle, its a hobby but not entirely when it comes to translations.
    Maybe a crowdfunded project would be an option. Once a certain sum is guaranteed I start working - in the end it will be published for small coin. That may work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam View Post
    Thanx a bunch for your understanding. But no, it does not work that way in the self-publishing world. I have 5 books out now starting from 2005 - and sales on the oldest are near nil (one per year). I was initially much better running than any of my alchemy books. But as a publisher you are caught between direkt sales with relatively high margins or neglectable margins if you go via amazon.

    If a book has a target audience of roughly 300 people world-wide its a matter of luck if you make it or not, even if the content is superior.

    Some authors in the field have dealt with this situation via the price. You find new books for $ 250 a piece. Only very few will purchase those but even if 3 do I make what I expect to make. Its more like a job for a client really. And there are quite a few "private" alchemy translations out there that will never see the bookmarket, made for rich clients. If this is not just a hobby thats the best way to go. I am in the middle, its a hobby but not entirely when it comes to translations.
    Maybe a crowdfunded project would be an option. Once a certain sum is guaranteed I start working - in the end it will be published for small coin. That may work.
    I have been trying for years to get people interested in cooperating to have alchemical texts in German translated into English but hardly with any success. Most people simply want translations for free, but unfortunately for them translations do not grow on trees ready to be picked by anyone who just happens to come by, they require effort to be carried out, and most people who are fluent in both languages simply will not do it for free. They naturally want a reward for their troubles.

    By the way, since you are interested in this 18th century "Secret Letters" book and its "vitriol-from-marcasites/pyrites" claims that you took the trouble of translating it, you probably should also be interested in a late 18th century anonymous German work called "The Triumphal Chariot of Vitriol" (obviously the anonymous author got inspired by the title of Basil Valentine's famous text on antimony.) I have a translation (because I actually paid for it to have it translated by a German translator I know) of the second part of the text (which contains the experimental descriptions) but I don't have a translation of the first part, which contains a discourse on "vitriols".

    By comparing all these descriptions of distilling "vitriol" found in texts like these, I really wonder what exactly can these guys have possibly meant by "vitriol", because obviously the sulfate of iron or any other metal will not do the things that they describe during its distillation. One only has to compare the standard descriptions of the distillation of vitriols in chymical texts like those of Glaser, Lemery or even Kunckel (who was an stout defender of alchemy and transmutation, unlike Glaser and Lemery) and compare it with the strange descriptions found in texts like the "Thirteen Secret Letters" or "The Triumphal Chariot of Vitriol" to plainly see that they can't possibly be describing a distillation of any plain metallic sulfate. What is observed during the distillation and the final products obtained are simply not the same as the operation with plain metallic sulfates. So obviously there must be some sort of "trap" here. Either the substance they are misleadingly claiming is a "vitriol" is actually something else totally different, or if it is a metallic vitriol then obviously they did something to it that they are omitting to point out.

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