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    Lightbulb How to do psychedelics?

    "The first place you go, when you're going to take a new drug, is the library."
    - Terence McKenna, "Tryptamine Hallucinogens and Consciousness", 1982
    I take no liability for any advice tried in this post... what you do is your responsibility.

    Psychonautics 101

    There are no rules, only paths. If you drop acid and go to a party then that is one possible path, or if you sit in the dark and meditate with your stomach full of Shrooms that is another... and guess which one has the biggest chance of giving you wisdom?

    This is only my own suggestions, but in regards to healing, safety and sanity it is also probably the best way to go about it. Although nothing is written in stone.


    1. What psychedelics are available?

    My personal rule is that it has to be natural so LSD is out the window. Below are some of the most common.

    Cannabis
    Eat a large chunk of cannabis and you will experience the true way of partaking of this plant. Smoking it is a waste of weed. Can be strong, but in comparison to the rest fairly weak. Risk of paranoia depending on your state of mind. I personally don't like it, but I felt it needed to be included in this list.

    Magic Mushrooms/Truffles AKA Psilocybin
    Lightweight. These are good for beginners, but beware that doesn't mean they cannot be strong. Also fairly easy to get hold of as they grow (or can be grown) almost anywhere.

    Amanita Muscaria is not something I recommend unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing! It can be very dangerous.

    Salvia Divinorum
    A bit like Psilocybin although it doesn't last that long.

    Ayahuasca
    Very strong and nothing that should be done alone. If you are inexperienced then make sure you take ayahuasca with an experienced healer/shaman or psychonaut. If you have the possibility to go to the Amazon and do it in its natural setting this is preferable, but make sure you find good people... where there is money there are charlatans. Avoid Ayahuasca mixed with Datura as this can be dangerous.

    Iboga
    Extremely strong and potent. For the real experience go to Gabon. I have also heard fairly good things about Costa Rica and even England, but I think it is only in Gabon you can get pure Wood (Iboga) instead of the ibogaine extract (if I understand it correctly). In either case just as with Ayahuasca you really need to do this with experienced people and never on your own. Especially with Iboga you need to be watched for up to a week afterwards as the effects can last for a very long time.

    Pure DMT
    The strongest of the all! This one I have no direct experience with myself so I cannot give any advice based on direct experience, but from what I understand it it very potent. Although it doesn't last very long; a few minutes.


    2. Which psychedelic should I try?

    If you are inexperienced I would suggest you try Psilocybin. If you cannot handle that you will be pretty screwed doing the rest. If you are experienced you really don't need my advice.

    Spiritual insight / wisdom / fun
    Psilocybin, Cannabis

    Healing, insight about the self, new path for your life, guidance
    Ayahuasca, Iboga

    You can be healed from all of them in a sense, but I think (based on my own experiences) that Ayahuasca is the King of the Cure, as well as the Philosopher's Stone in a Cup... it is the best path to go down if you want spiritual enlightenment, self help and healing. IMO.


    3. How to do it?
    Well the first thing you need to do before you take any psychedelics is research. Check out:

    www.erowid.org
    www.shroomery.org

    Regardless of which psychedelics you want to try there are a few important guidelines I strongly suggest you follow:
    1. Never be alone. Always have someone that keeps a silent watch over you, help you to the toilet, get you a glass of water, give you a bucket to puke in or just be close by if you feel scared or alone. It is also advisable that this Sitter/Helper does not give advice or touch you while you are in a psychedelic state (unless this person is a Shaman or very experienced).

    2. Create a safe and comfortable environment. Make sure you have no commitments the following day. With Iboga make sure you are free for at least 10 days to be on the safe side.

    3. Clean yourself and fast for at least half a day before you do the psychedelics. In some cases like with Ayahuasca you also need to follow a certain diet.

    4. Do it in the dark, as dark as you can make your environment. This is the biggest mistake most people do I think... turn the light of folks!

    5. If you are not doing it in nature then have nature sounds (forest, thunder, rain, waves) playing on your stereo. If you use music I suggest shamanic songs or very soft piano music that you like.

    6. Have an intention that you think about before you take the psychedelics, like "show me the way in life", "help me with..." etc.

    7. Don't have any expectations.

    8. Don't resist, surrender.

    9. Always use a positive posture. For instance don't sit with your head in your hands as this is a 'depressed' posture

    10. If you are doing it with other people try not to disturb them. Show respect. You don't know what they are going through.

    Here are some additional tips from a Magic Truffle Ceremony we did in 2014...

    Safety = Knowledge

    Educate yourself!!!

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    Nice!

    What's your thoughts on dosage? Is there a standard based on body weight?

    I've heard that a first-timer, especially with heavier psychedelics, should start small to get a feel for it.
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    In the temple of Peru with the Shipibo everyone, no matter their experience, has a small dose to see their reaction.
    After this it is up to the individual to decide. Having said this, on my last ceremony at the temple they asked me to
    take a smaller dose, which was a bummer at the time really as I had just found a method to control it better, but I
    still had an amazing journey.

    I'm not sure if this is the same for everyone, but the more I do it the more sensitive I seem to become.

    With mushrooms you cannot overdose, although you may make yourself sick.

    The headshops in Amsterdam will advise first timers to use about 10g, but that is just a safety precaution to cover themselves;
    and possibly good advice as they don't know what environment the first timer is going to be in.

    As for body weight, I'm not sure that is important as I am really sensitive to psychedelics and thus only need a little whereas
    others I have been with take huge doses and do not see any visions, all I could say is to each there own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiorionis View Post
    What's your thoughts on dosage?
    You can't really overdose* and if my guidelines are followed then that means you have a safe environment so any dose should be fine. Normally what I find is that it is better to take too much rather than too little. If it becomes too strong you will have the Sitter/Helper there to keep you safe or even better a Shaman.

    Ghislain is correct also in that sometimes a small cup of Ayahuasca can be stronger than two large cups. It is as if the brew decides what to do with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiorionis View Post
    I've heard that a first-timer, especially with heavier psychedelics, should start small to get a feel for it.
    I guess this is true and very sound advice. Although the first time I did any psychedelics I drank a cup of Ayahuasca and had an extremely strong experience. I was not ready for anything really other than interested and spiritually seeking something. So it is individual. Do what feels right not what others tell you to do. If the set and setting is good then just go for it!

    If you can't swim try splashing around by the beach and then later go out into deeper water... or just jump into deep water straight away - then you got to learn to swim fast or drown. Both tactics work fine, it all depends on your type of personality. I am in the latter category where I just jump into the deep straight away. No need to waste time...





    * Do not mix any psychedelic with alcohol or other drugs or pharmaceuticals... it can be lethal!!! And avoid it if you are pregnant.
    Last edited by Awani; 04-10-2015 at 02:32 PM.
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    For beginners it might be best to avoid indoor settings for your first experience.

    Leave the city, choose a beautiful outdoor area, and connect with Nature. But unfortunately this isn't possible for everyone.

    After you become more experienced, then it is time for isolation chambers.

    But be careful, you may come out a little different...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dendritic Xylem View Post
    For beginners it might be best to avoid indoor settings for your first experience.
    Yes and No in my opinion. Indoor setting can easily be controlled. You have all the things you need easily available. This can be good for rookies.

    Also: only do it if you feel ready... never from peer pressure!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dev View Post
    Yes and No in my opinion. Indoor setting can easily be controlled. You have all the things you need easily available. This can be good for rookies.
    I don't like that most indoor settings force you to bathe in artificial electromagnetic pollution.
    Microwaves from cell phone towers and internet routers...current carrying wires surrounding you in every wall...not so good for connecting with the Universal One, imho.
    It could be argued that these radiations can be phased out and ignored by those who know how, but newbies often don't have that ability yet.

    Not sure exactly how many experiences I've had...but definitely well over 100.
    ALL of my not-so-great experiences have been indoors in the city.
    I have NEVER had a bad experience outdoors, grounded to Earth.
    Several of my experienced friends feel the same way.


    A house might be a good safe zone to keep out of trouble....but it just seems to put me in a more unnatural state.
    Indoors I tend to develop more obsessive/compulsive thought processes, whereas outdoors I become relaxed and content.
    Maybe it's just psychosomatic, but like I said, numerous friends have had similar experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dev View Post
    I have never tried LSD or Magic Mushrooms or anything like that before, so I can't say for certain that ayahuasca is a different experience. But having tried and experienced ayahuasca I don't really feel a need to try LSD to find out if it is the same or not. I know it's not.
    I never had an ayahuasca experience mostly because each time I was invited to have one, my friends who invited me explained me that there's a "Shaman" involved...

    ... and when I discussed their experiences, I didn't like it at all the role that the "Shaman" had in the ceremony.

    ... I'm also strongly against guided meditations... I don't like it at all when other persons interfere with my own experience, even if they are trying to make something good for me.

    Having heard about many Ayahuasca experiences, LSD and Mushrooms will definitely provide a different experience.

    LSD: it is very visual and distorts the world as we see it in an ordinary situation, but it is very unlikely to provide a situation in which a person does not know where he is.
    It does have the fame of providing "transcendental" experiences, but that's not really true. (if you are used to the Gnostic division between the hyletics, the psychics and the gnosics... then LSD is truly "psychic", but not "gnostic".

    It will often provide a feeling that you express quite often in your posts: the idea that everything depends on perception... but in most cases this is translated as understanding that a lot of things that we often take "seriously" are simply like a "theater play"... like suddenly realizing in a very explicit way that some persons wear the "costume" of policemen and act as policemen, others wear the costume of punks and act like punks, others wear the costume of painters and act like painters and so on...

    It also provides "telepathic" experiences or, in short, two persons can have exactly the same "hallucination" and that's very usual (i.e, "look, those two trees are dancing with each other, do you also see it?" -"Yes, they are dancing tango!" -"yes!").

    MUSHROOMS: They do provide different experiences and they are not "safe" for everyone. I've seen a LOT of persons having paranoid-psychotic reactions and feeling completely scared to death (I always remember two girls who were convinced that I have poisoned their mushrooms with rat poison and believed they were agonizing, whilst a third girl believed that the house was surrounded by lots of police cars and we were about to be arrested and even "talked" to imaginary policemen pretending that she had not eaten mushrooms.... each time I wanted to explain her that the police that she was talking to was a hallucination, she would get mad at me and shout at me that we were going to get "caught" because I was giving a lot of hints to this imaginary policemen).

    If your mind does not take the road of a paranoid psychosis, then the mushrooms will often give a transcendental experience. In most cases this experience can be expressed as "losing the sense of the I". The idea that you are "Dev" is suddenly impossible to conceive and you know that "Dev" exists, but you are Dev, the chair, the ceiling, the cat, the books in your shelves, the atoms of the air, the building, your friend, etc ALL AT ONCE.

    You will know WHERE you are (i.e, in your dormitory), but you won't be able to tell in which part of that room you are. You know that the room has a bed, a chair, a sofa and a table, you will be able to see all these objects, but you may not be able to tell where your body is in relation to these objects... or, actually, you may feel that you are in all the possible locations of the room all at once (my best way to explain it, imagine that your body is a combination of several ping-pong balls and these balls spread all over the room, so you are everywhere).

    And if you have not taken the path of paranoia (which is EXTREMELY common, though it never happened to me), then this impossibility of conceiving the "I" will lead you to have a god-like point of view.

    The bad side effects is that you will probably feel ALL the side effects of a typical mild intoxication (headaches, dizziness, nausea, stomach pain, etc)... but these bad side effects won't really bother you.

    Finally, the experience, depending on the type of mushroom can be by far longer than a normal experience with other psychedelics (my longest experience lasted 35 hours).

    Most of the "normal" creative activities will be impossible during the experience (like painting, writing, playing music, etc)... unless you take a small dose, in that case such things may be possible.

    Though it's a good idea to do it in a place where you can't destroy something and where nothing can hurt you... because the perception of the space gets really distorted till the point that you may have an accident even if you are cautious.

    "Bad trips" are VERY usual! (I never had one, but each time I've taken them with friends at least one of my friends had a very bad trip... indeed, some friends of mine stopped being my friends after their "bad trips" -i.e, the ones who believed that I have poisoned their mushrooms with rat poison)... but if you don't have a psychotic reaction, you'll have a transcendental experience for sure. A "Gnostic" experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoas23 View Post
    I never had an ayahuasca experience mostly because each time I was invited to have one, my friends who invited me explained me that there's a "Shaman" involved... and when I discussed their experiences, I didn't like it at all the role that the "Shaman" had in the ceremony... I'm also strongly against guided meditations... I don't like it at all when other persons interfere with my own experience, even if they are trying to make something good for me.
    I do not know what experience your friends had, but having done traditional ayahuasca ceremonies with the Shipibo, as well as traditional iboga ceremonies with the Bwiti, I can tell you that what you have stated above is not correct. Of course your opinion is correct... but what I am saying is that your opinion does not apply to what I have experienced... meaning the worry or reserve you would have against the shaman is totally unnecessary.

    Also the shaman's job is to prepare you as well with many different techniques, rituals, diets, ceremonies, music etc... the "drug" is just one ingredient.

    The shaman does not interfer nor does he or she guide your meditation... but they create a safe space, and they also do guide you (but not in the way you might think). Honestly I guess you just have to take my word for it. But to do ayahuasca or iboga without an experienced shaman is only half an experience IMO.

    Now if we are talking about a gringo shaman then stay the fuck away. Not to sound racist, but they can never reach the level of shamanic know how as a native shaman. If you are not born into the tradition it is not the same. And even more important if you choose to be a shaman (which most gringos do) then that is an automatic proof that person is NOT a shaman.

    You don't choose to be a shaman, you are chosen.

    Also a true shaman working with ayahuasca don't really call themselves a shaman, but an Nganga, ayahuasqero, maestra, maestro or curandero etc... but I still prefer to use the word shaman because I like the word even if it ia a white mans invention.

    Quote Originally Posted by zoas23 View Post
    "Bad trips" are VERY usual!
    Bad trip = good trip

    Good trip = waste of time but great fun

    Also mushrooms is like drinking water and ayahuasca is like snorting cocaine and iboga is like blowing your brain off with an UZI. Just to give you an idea of the difference in strength. According to my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by dev View Post
    I have never tried LSD or Magic Mushrooms or anything like that before, so I can't say for certain that ayahuasca is a different experience. But having tried and experienced ayahuasca I don't really feel a need to try LSD to find out if it is the same or not. I know it's not.
    The above quote you quoted is from 2010 (6 years ago)!!! So I have done psilocybin since then. So know I really know the difference.

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    Posts moved from this thread beacuse they talk about how to do psychedelics in general...
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    @ dev

    yeah I am currently reading through all of it and I love things like your report about your trip to peru,very inspiring!

    Btw it is anything else than normal courtesy to explain things so detailed and also always(at least from what I ca tell) give links/information to further knowledge regarding the topics.
    It is greatly appreciated!

    As for dmt it has ALWAYS been part of my journey and the question is not if but when or to be precise I already wanted to order the necessary ingredients but according to receipes found onlie it would cost me about 100-150$ just for one batch...so I went with hallucinogenic mushrooms for the start...most likely a better approach than to go all out from the start, allthough I wouldn´t call myself a virgi in regards to drugs either XD.

    I want to experiment with mushrooms+binatural sounds/wavelengths and different settings (like setting an alarmclock and consuming mushrooms right in the waking state when your mind is still greatly subconcious) or different breathing techniques/bodily energy amounts...alchemy is like lego for adults XD(offcourse with a minimum of responsibility towards safety).

    So thanks dev your an awesome mod !
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