How to do psychedelics?

[Kiorionis]

I don't know about other settings and I personally don't use Psychedelics, but at our Gathering in Amsterdam in 2014, I did put my shamanic training to use in creating an 'energy shield' to protect the participants from potentially disturbing influences. Dev also mentioned that it might be preferable to (at least at first) have such experiences with shamanic 'supervision'. I am not Psychedelics trained, but it may have been the 'next best thing' available, of sorts...

I thought it worked quite well. I remember during the ceremony seeing the outside of the apartment wrap in gold

Not sure exactly how many experiences I've had...but definitely well over 100.
ALL of my not-so-great experiences have been indoors in the city.
I have NEVER had a bad experience outdoors, grounded to Earth.
Several of my experienced friends feel the same way.

I never knew you were so well traveled!

[Dendritic Xylem]

It would be interesting to see how you find the experience of a ceremony in the Alchemy Congress environment DX.

I think it would be great having like-minded people around for the journey. Maybe next year

I don't know about other settings and I personally don't use Psychedelics, but at our Gathering in Amsterdam in 2014, I did put my shamanic training to use in creating an 'energy shield' to protect the participants from potentially disturbing influences.

I think magick/shamanism can be a very powerful tool in the right hands. Unfortunately I have little personal experience with this Art. Although my mother is a witch, so I'm not completely clueless.

Yes I agree. Outdoor if possible. But it has to be warm... doesn't work if it is in snow for example....... In the end the best thing is going to the rainforest (South America or Africa).

So true! I hate cold weather. It makes me jealous of people like Salazius who have accomplished Tummo meditation. I also think mountain peaks are a great place (during summer). It's breathtaking to stand that far above the world and see for miles in all directions. You know how pyramids shoot a jet of subtle energy upwards from the apex? Mountains supposedly do the same thing.

I never knew you were so well traveled!

90% of those travels were with p.cubensis fruit bodies. I've actually never tried sclerotia (truffles) which usually come from non-cubensis varieties like p.mexicana. The other 10% was a combination of lsd, mescaline(peruvian torch cacti), and ayahuasca experiments.

But after all those experiences, I still find myself gravitating to cannabis oils/resin more than anything. Not sure why. I don't even feel the urge to 'trip' anymore. It's actually been years since my last truly psychedelic voyage. Probably need to dust the cobwebs off my third eye.

[zoas23]

I have never tried LSD or Magic Mushrooms or anything like that before, so I can't say for certain that ayahuasca is a different experience. But having tried and experienced ayahuasca I don't really feel a need to try LSD to find out if it is the same or not. I know it's not.

I never had an ayahuasca experience mostly because each time I was invited to have one, my friends who invited me explained me that there's a "Shaman" involved...

... and when I discussed their experiences, I didn't like it at all the role that the "Shaman" had in the ceremony.

... I'm also strongly against guided meditations... I don't like it at all when other persons interfere with my own experience, even if they are trying to make something good for me.

Having heard about many Ayahuasca experiences, LSD and Mushrooms will definitely provide a different experience.

LSD: it is very visual and distorts the world as we see it in an ordinary situation, but it is very unlikely to provide a situation in which a person does not know where he is.
It does have the fame of providing "transcendental" experiences, but that's not really true. (if you are used to the Gnostic division between the hyletics, the psychics and the gnosics... then LSD is truly "psychic", but not "gnostic".

It will often provide a feeling that you express quite often in your posts: the idea that everything depends on perception... but in most cases this is translated as understanding that a lot of things that we often take "seriously" are simply like a "theater play"... like suddenly realizing in a very explicit way that some persons wear the "costume" of policemen and act as policemen, others wear the costume of punks and act like punks, others wear the costume of painters and act like painters and so on...

It also provides "telepathic" experiences or, in short, two persons can have exactly the same "hallucination" and that's very usual (i.e, "look, those two trees are dancing with each other, do you also see it?" -"Yes, they are dancing tango!" -"yes!").

MUSHROOMS: They do provide different experiences and they are not "safe" for everyone. I've seen a LOT of persons having paranoid-psychotic reactions and feeling completely scared to death (I always remember two girls who were convinced that I have poisoned their mushrooms with rat poison and believed they were agonizing, whilst a third girl believed that the house was surrounded by lots of police cars and we were about to be arrested and even "talked" to imaginary policemen pretending that she had not eaten mushrooms.... each time I wanted to explain her that the police that she was talking to was a hallucination, she would get mad at me and shout at me that we were going to get "caught" because I was giving a lot of hints to this imaginary policemen).

If your mind does not take the road of a paranoid psychosis, then the mushrooms will often give a transcendental experience. In most cases this experience can be expressed as "losing the sense of the I". The idea that you are "Dev" is suddenly impossible to conceive and you know that "Dev" exists, but you are Dev, the chair, the ceiling, the cat, the books in your shelves, the atoms of the air, the building, your friend, etc ALL AT ONCE.

You will know WHERE you are (i.e, in your dormitory), but you won't be able to tell in which part of that room you are. You know that the room has a bed, a chair, a sofa and a table, you will be able to see all these objects, but you may not be able to tell where your body is in relation to these objects... or, actually, you may feel that you are in all the possible locations of the room all at once (my best way to explain it, imagine that your body is a combination of several ping-pong balls and these balls spread all over the room, so you are everywhere).

And if you have not taken the path of paranoia (which is EXTREMELY common, though it never happened to me), then this impossibility of conceiving the "I" will lead you to have a god-like point of view.

The bad side effects is that you will probably feel ALL the side effects of a typical mild intoxication (headaches, dizziness, nausea, stomach pain, etc)... but these bad side effects won't really bother you.

Finally, the experience, depending on the type of mushroom can be by far longer than a normal experience with other psychedelics (my longest experience lasted 35 hours).

Most of the "normal" creative activities will be impossible during the experience (like painting, writing, playing music, etc)... unless you take a small dose, in that case such things may be possible.

Though it's a good idea to do it in a place where you can't destroy something and where nothing can hurt you... because the perception of the space gets really distorted till the point that you may have an accident even if you are cautious.

"Bad trips" are VERY usual! (I never had one, but each time I've taken them with friends at least one of my friends had a very bad trip... indeed, some friends of mine stopped being my friends after their "bad trips" -i.e, the ones who believed that I have poisoned their mushrooms with rat poison)... but if you don't have a psychotic reaction, you'll have a transcendental experience for sure. A "Gnostic" experience.

[Awani]

I never had an ayahuasca experience mostly because each time I was invited to have one, my friends who invited me explained me that there's a "Shaman" involved... and when I discussed their experiences, I didn't like it at all the role that the "Shaman" had in the ceremony... I'm also strongly against guided meditations... I don't like it at all when other persons interfere with my own experience, even if they are trying to make something good for me.

I do not know what experience your friends had, but having done traditional ayahuasca ceremonies with the Shipibo, as well as traditional iboga ceremonies with the Bwiti, I can tell you that what you have stated above is not correct. Of course your opinion is correct... but what I am saying is that your opinion does not apply to what I have experienced... meaning the worry or reserve you would have against the shaman is totally unnecessary.

Also the shaman's job is to prepare you as well with many different techniques, rituals, diets, ceremonies, music etc... the "drug" is just one ingredient.

The shaman does not interfer nor does he or she guide your meditation... but they create a safe space, and they also do guide you (but not in the way you might think). Honestly I guess you just have to take my word for it. But to do ayahuasca or iboga without an experienced shaman is only half an experience IMO.

Now if we are talking about a gringo shaman then stay the fuck away. Not to sound racist, but they can never reach the level of shamanic know how as a native shaman. If you are not born into the tradition it is not the same. And even more important if you choose to be a shaman (which most gringos do) then that is an automatic proof that person is NOT a shaman.

You don't choose to be a shaman, you are chosen.

Also a true shaman working with ayahuasca don't really call themselves a shaman, but an Nganga, ayahuasqero, maestra, maestro or curandero etc... but I still prefer to use the word shaman because I like the word even if it ia a white mans invention.

"Bad trips" are VERY usual!

Bad trip = good trip

Good trip = waste of time but great fun

Also mushrooms is like drinking water and ayahuasca is like snorting cocaine and iboga is like blowing your brain off with an UZI. Just to give you an idea of the difference in strength. According to my opinion.

I have never tried LSD or Magic Mushrooms or anything like that before, so I can't say for certain that ayahuasca is a different experience. But having tried and experienced ayahuasca I don't really feel a need to try LSD to find out if it is the same or not. I know it's not.

The above quote you quoted is from 2010 (6 years ago)!!! So I have done psilocybin since then. So know I really know the difference.

[JinRaTensei]

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@ dev

yeah I am currently reading through all of it and I love things like your report about your trip to peru,very inspiring!

Btw it is anything else than normal courtesy to explain things so detailed and also always(at least from what I ca tell) give links/information to further knowledge regarding the topics.
It is greatly appreciated!

As for dmt it has ALWAYS been part of my journey and the question is not if but when or to be precise I already wanted to order the necessary ingredients but according to receipes found onlie it would cost me about 100-150$ just for one batch...so I went with hallucinogenic mushrooms for the start...most likely a better approach than to go all out from the start, allthough I wouldn´t call myself a virgi in regards to drugs either XD.

I want to experiment with mushrooms+binatural sounds/wavelengths and different settings (like setting an alarmclock and consuming mushrooms right in the waking state when your mind is still greatly subconcious) or different breathing techniques/bodily energy amounts...alchemy is like lego for adults XD(offcourse with a minimum of responsibility towards safety).

So thanks dev your an awesome mod !

[Awani]

I want to experiment with mushrooms+binatural sounds/wavelengths and different settings (like setting an alarmclock and consuming mushrooms right in the waking state when your mind is still greatly subconcious) or different breathing techniques/bodily energy amounts...alchemy is like lego for adults XD(offcourse with a minimum of responsibility towards safety).

So thanks dev your an awesome mod !

Thank you.

Well Magic Mushrooms is very useful if money or opportunity stands in the way of "stronger stuff"... My advice with mushrooms is to do it in complete darkness, in a safe environment, have a sitter, listen to nature sounds if you are indoors and EAT A LOT...

Edit: eat a lot of the mushrooms, as for food fast for at least 8 hours before you begin and do not eat anything till it is over.

[JinRaTensei]

Haha thanks for clearing that one up was a little bit confused since, ppl sharing their experience ofte state you should fast for 12-8 hours before and after cosuming the mushrooms.
As for the amount my research let me come to the current opinion that about 7.5 g would be a normal dose(15g being in one batch for about 15$) I ordered 2 batches and am planing to consume 10g for the first time.10g not eaten but slowly cooked to a tea and the last 10g and 3rd try I wanted to dry and grind the mushrooms and smoke them in a bong so that I have some kind of "groundwork" knowing which type of consumation fits me best and what will create the bigger high/deeper experience.Feeling like a kid waiting for santa and his ups sledge XD.

[Kiorionis]

I wouldn't recommend smoking mushrooms. There's a good chance you'll lose the majority of the active compound.

I recommend fasting! Begin the night before, fast the whole day, then ingest in the evening twilight. Teas and tinctures will set in faster. There may be some abdominal discomfort/naseua with the whole mushroom.

@dev & ghislain, do you know of any physical side-effects of DMT before, during or after?

[JinRaTensei]

@ Kiorionis thank you for the advice.A question if you dont mind because dev also mentioned this but I didn´t pick up on that than.

Is it specifically in mushrooms the boiling/disintegrating point of its psychoactive components being relatively low that they loose the majoyrity of their active compounds or does this also reply universally to other herbs like marihuana?Dev mentioned marihuana should be eaten to be consumed effectively so does this mean smoking marihuana is like castrating its potency?
Could you please give an rough estimate how much % potency you think will be lost by smoking...and sry I am realising this is not topic/dmt related and will take it to the right subforum from here.
Thank you!

[Ghislain]

Hash is a resin so if eating it whole a lot may pass through. My preference is to dissolve the hash in a teaspoon of hot vegetable oil and then quickly stir it into a yogurt. Yum! ...note olive oil is not good when heated.

If you think how stoned you get on one joint then think how much you release into the room from the joint and when you exhale...eat it and you get the lot

DMT doesn't appear to have any side effects other than a great deal of information...so if it has a side effect I guess you might say it is information overload. It does make you dump quite regular, but it is not like the runs, so I guess that is a benefit.

Ghislain

Edit: You will forget about 80% of what you see so I guess even that side effect is a mute point.