How to do psychedelics?

[Ghislain]

I have read about smoking mushrooms, no positives; why reinvent the wheel?

Ghislain

Edit: Remember to chew well.

[JinRaTensei]

DMT helping with enlightenment AND your dumps...this plant component has it all XD.

Thanks for the advice ghislain,makes sense.The only reason why this simple logic about eating obviously gets more of the psychoactive compounds into your system than smoking was the believe/information I received a long time ago about their being special receptors in your lungs to absorb thc and dmt.So I held the wrong conclusion that these receptor would be able to absorb more of the psychoactive compounds than normal digestion.

Haven´t read anything good about smoking mushrooms either was just me trying to get creative ^^

[Ghislain]

DMT helping with enlightenment AND your dumps...this plant component has it all XD.

The only reason why this simple logic about eating obviously gets more of the psychoactive compounds into your system than smoking was the believe/information I received a long time ago about their being special receptors in your lungs to absorb thc and dmt. So I held the wrong conclusion that these receptor would be able to absorb more of the psychoactive compounds than normal digestion.

Actually JinRaTensei there may be some mileage in that as substances taken in through the stomach get metabolised by the liver whereas smoking possibly bypasses this...\o/ i don't know

Ghislain

[JinRaTensei]

thanks very humble and spiritually big to suggest that there may be a truth out there other than what was postet before...and if you think this is being overdramatic statement than I invite you to visit other forums XD.

I guess the truth will easily reveal itself in the same process as anything of value in unbiased observation and self study...actually to compare the results smoked to digested is so easily done that I have to shake my head never have done it before...

I see with my eyes but I don´t see what is right in front of me
I look down I see my path
I look up I see my destination
But only if I stop and look at myself will I see the journey and the truth

[Awani]

I ordered 2 batches and am planing to consume 10g for the first time.

There are so many different strengths so it is hard to say. When I do magic truffles (same thing as mushrooms) I started with doing 20 grams (don't confuse this with mushrooms, truffles weigh differently). Next time I did 25 grams, next time 30 grams and recently I did 44 grams (which basically means that next time I will do 50 grams... to achieve the level I like).

Start slow and increase after experience.

But only if I stop and look at myself will I see the journey and the truth

Yes.

[JinRaTensei]

thx for the reply dev!

damn I indeed also ordered magic truffles and not mushrooms but the strongest one available (officially) in germany.A huma designed truffel sort from the netherlands called "hollandia" or something close (refering to holland as in name for netherlands). Since I am not planing to smoke it anymore I will try 2x 15g should be the perfect dose for a psychedelic newbie like me .

Since basically all elements and compounds can theoretically be absorbed from the breathing air,formulated in the chemical factory of the brain and produced/refined through the body it should theoretically be possible to achieve psychedelic states similar to any substance just by special yoga(other ascetics as well) breathing techniques.As many yogi accounts suggest.

Also I am curious what "realm" psychedelics truely belong to.For instance what is the difference between psychedelic visions and lucid dreaming.

Dreaming = no control and usually very sparse memory and no control over your surroundings/the things you see conciously(I suppose)
lucid dreaming = control and memory and control over your surroundings/the things you see conciously(I suppose)
psychedelics = no control but memory and no control over your surroundings/the things you see conciously(I suppose)
waking/normal state = control and memory but no control over " "

If training or psychedelics can create different states than the ability for this must already exist in us which begs the question why do we have to go through so much difficulties and experiences just to achieve these states,why do we have to train years to do the same awake each of us can do automatically asleep?Is it not the same person and energy doing it with nothing added or taken.....maybe makes not much sense as written but this really makes me think if reality is truely just a dream and death is nothing more than waking up.

If so than everything we do,read,experience,feel,etc has just one purpose to wake up.Than in this world there truely are only 2 extremes/laws/goals in anything sleeping and being awake.
Le petite morte (the little dead) as french call the orgasm during sex because in that moment you truel are nothing you just exist,your mind and personality die and are reborn again.
Sex is one of the most joyous acts/experiences humans know and why?? because it is essentially sleeping and waking up or death and rebirth.


So to come back to topic if I experiment with psychedelics just with one single goal and phrase in mind I am very curious where it will lead me ,the phrase being "wake up"

or the resulting question "have members of this forum ever take psychedelics while meditating/saying a special mantra in their mind?" or have you done like I believe I would have done before the exact opposite trying to clear ones mind/thoughts and just being open for whatever may come.And if you have,have you experienced differences in your state of concious/the things you see which were profound enough to remember and differetiate them even for another who obv. can´t have your experience?

[Awani]

Note: there are some advice in this post, but advice cannot be given when talking about "personal journey"... so beware... but the set/setting that can be found in the link I provide further down is applicable to anyone.

Also I am curious what "realm" psychedelics truely belong to.For instance what is the difference between psychedelic visions and lucid dreaming.

Well for me it is a "real" realm. That is why you have no more control in that realm than you do in this one you are in now. But to be fair it is a question you will never have answered... and once you have been in the "other" realm a lot you will - perhaps - understand that it doesn't matter what it is or why it is. The only thing that matters is what are you going to do about it? You are the world, you are all realms... the "thing" is you... as you said earlier about "look at myself will I see the journey and the truth"...

If so than everything we do,read,experience,feel,etc has just one purpose to wake up.

That is why using alchemy to chase physical immortality is a fools game.

So to come back to topic if I experiment with psychedelics just with one single goal and phrase in mind I am very curious where it will lead me ,the phrase being "wake up"

You are already awake.

I don't think "wake up" should be your intention going in... rather clear your mind... be humble, treat these plants as sacred and surrender to whatever they give you... your goal/phrase is better to be in the area of "show me what I need". But that is just my suggestion.

Also make sure you have nothing to do the next day (no work or appointments etc).

Here is a good example of how truffles/mushrooms can be done: Magic Truffle Ceremony 2014 (also look at the first post in this thread)

I mention "Icaros" songs (shamanic medicine songs) in that thread but I have since then realized that if you have not been initiated with these sacred songs they will not aid your journey but hinder it... so instead for sound just use nature sounds or instrumental music that is calm and beautiful.

[JinRaTensei]

thanks alot dev!! , got some serious reading to do now ^^

[Kiorionis]

@ Kiorionis thank you for the advice.A question if you dont mind because dev also mentioned this but I didn´t pick up on that than.

Is it specifically in mushrooms the boiling/disintegrating point of its psychoactive components being relatively low that they loose the majoyrity of their active compounds or does this also reply universally to other herbs like marihuana?Dev mentioned marihuana should be eaten to be consumed effectively so does this mean smoking marihuana is like castrating its potency?

Well, as I'm sure you can imagine, all plants are different, even within similar families. So this is not a universal rule. In fact, most psychoactive substance require a small amount of 'cooking' before becoming truly active. The naturally produced THC Acid in cannabis needs heat in order to denatured itself and become the common THC cannabis enthusiasts talk about. Ayahuasca is cooked over heat with another plant in order to make the psychoactive ingredient readily available to the digestive tract. Something I learned recently, if you mix lemon juice with mushrooms, this will convert the psilocybin to psilocyn (or maybe it was some other derivative), the compound which actually effects our perception. This apparently increases their potency, and the speed at which the effects begin. I ha entry tried this method though (it's next on my list).

All of this, however, is an external digestion to make it more assimilable for the body. And with each of these the heat varies. Cannabis is the highest I know about, because of the need to convert thc acid to thc. Salvia Divinorum is the most sensitive to heat that I've had experience with.

There is also the concept of plant energy. Some plants, especially Salvia Divinorum, don't like being set on fire. I learned this the hard way, and was afterwards told S. Divinorum is much more aligned with wet preparations (such as mixed with saliva in the miuth, or an alcohol tincture). The method of preparation is transfered into the plant, and then ingested with it. I consider this much more important than what chemicals should be maintained.

Could you please give an rough estimate how much % potency you think will be lost by smoking...and sry I am realising this is not topic/dmt related and will take it to the right subforum from here.
Thank you!

I have no idea, as I've never tried smoking it. But from the people I've talked to, they always say they need to smoke more of it to get the same effects.

[Awani]

I was investigate how many people die from different things and below is my result:



Now this doesn't mean psychedelics isn't dangerous, and that you shouldn't be careful. A chance is a chance... but this also means watch your step.