How to do psychedelics?

[elixirmixer]

Im replying to some comments that were in the "Why make the stone?" thread, that were along the lines, that those who "repectfully" and "sacredly" approach pscycodelics, will end up having a greater persepective from the drug ect....

This was my response before I realised it was way off the topic of the thread:

I know someone that raves on about the sacredness of the mushroom experience, all the while eating them like they are a packet of crisps. She ended up being quite segregated from her community, her lawyers thought she was nuts and put $600,000 of her money into a public trust, after which, she manipulated most of the money out and blew is on $50,000 holidays to Paris.

Im not sure that approaching drugs with 'a sacred attitude' makes any more difference than thanking a glass of water before you drink it.

What I mean is, even though thanking the water will make a difference, you would have to thank it for quite a long time, before drinking it, otherwise thank many glasses of water over years of consumption, to really feel the effect that the attitude is having.

Sure if your trying to have a nice calm peaceful high, while surrounded by dickheads that just want to get off tap, then the attitude becomes a big part, but I have learnt a lot from magic mushies and my one DMT experience, and that wasn't with any particular ceremony or anything, I do not look at any of these plants as "sacred", just went in with an open wiliness to embrace whatever experience would come.

What is any more sacred about the ability of one plant to send you on an OBE mission, and another plant that can heal your blackened smokey lungs?

All plants are sacred and to say that one is more sacred than another is like saying, well, its like saying the "Jews are the chosen people" ect...

In saying that, would love to have a proper OBE mission on the DMT, I did not leave body the time I had it.

Im going to go see how hard it is to make... any recipes on this forum?

[Schmuldvich]

It's funny, it appears to me that almost all those who have used entheogens "correctly" (i.e. not as a party drug) understand this facet and see the big picture of things. We are able to "zoom out" and comprehend this grander perspective moreso, or at least easier-than, our friends who are not psychonauts or who have not traversed that realm as fully as us who have gotten to experience such experiences. Don't get me wrong, this is not to say others are not capable of acknowledging such things or understanding such truths. I am saying nothing of the such. The main point I am trying to make is that who have respected the entheogenic value of such powerful substances tend to have no problem grasping the fact that our time here on Earth is barely the blink of an eye and death is not the end.

Perspective is so critically important in furthering understanding of Universal truths imo.

For the record, this was the post elixirmixer is referring to. I have not read any of the other posts in this thread and am only responding to elixirmixer's above post right now.


If you are not sure that approaching drugs with 'a sacred attitude' makes any more difference than thanking a glass of water before you drink it I challenge you to put your money where you mouth is and take any psychedelic you choose in a worldly party setting (such as a rave or concert where one is meant to experience onslaughts of energetic pleasures), and then take the same psychedelic in your room, door closed, lights out, no people, no music....just yourself in a dark room for 8 hours. Report back with the results. I have no doubt at all that while the rave/concert setting would certainly be more fun and temporarily pleasurable, the mental development that you will gain from the dark room experience will be more profound and valuable later in life than your 8 hour pleasure-session. Not to say that setting does not have its value as well, just that when you treat these substances as "special", use them "correctly", and respect their "sacred" nature the outcome of the experience is overall more longlasting, positive, and fruitful than taking these substances for "fun".

What is any more sacred about the ability of one plant to send you on an OBE mission, and another plant that can heal your blackened smokey lungs? The answer is...everything. Everything is more sacred about the plant that can visually distort your perception and mentally steer you in unbelievable directions than the plant that physically heals your body. Both have value. Both are amazing. Both are incredible. But only very few plants on Earth are powerful enough to literally shatter this reality you experience. These are the plants I view as "sacred", though I certainly do not undermine other seemingly beneficial plants...

Yes, (for discussion's sake) all plants are sacred, and to say that one is more sacred than another is indeed much like saying the "Jews are the chosen people" because, well...not all people are equal, my friend.

[elixirmixer]

I accept that challenge.

And in support of establishing a 'sacred' moment in time to connect with these plants, I am choosing to specifically create the tonic myself.

This could take some time to stumble across the necessary ingredients and know-how, but I am taking up the Schv challenge. (Im sure ill be proven wrong, which is great).

If anyone has a good recipe for DMT please let me know.

Lol, ive always loves the concept of the Jew. Modern times and their complete intellectual superiority over all other nations is making the lifestyle on this planet a bit one sided, but Im happy that their DNA has spread all over the world, and that Im sure I have just a little piece of it, allowing for higher level divine thinkings.

Is there any psychedelics that the Hebrews used traditionally?

[Schmuldvich]

This could take some time to stumble across the necessary ingredients and know-how, but I am taking up the Schv challenge. (Im sure ill be proven wrong, which is great).

If anyone has a good recipe for DMT please let me know.

Is there any psychedelics that the Hebrews used traditionally?

One could take the position that they were aware of DMT via the acaia tree. Being the area of the world that they were in, psilocybe cubensis would be another entheogen used by the Hebrews.

Making DMT at home is not hard. Finding recipes to make DMT at home is even easier. Having someone spoonfeed you this info is easiest!

Now, this is not something I would normally do (being that is takes no more than 35 seconds and the intelligence of a 7 year old to find this info), but because I sincerely want you to experience a veil-piercing experience by smoking freebase DMT I will assist you lazy man. Let me know how it goes if you do get around to trying this yourself! I have used this exact method with complete success myself and wholeheartedly vouch for its yields and ease-of-production.

"At the date of this writing, Oct. 2006 this process is much simpler than all of the other extraction teks for Mimosa hostilis root bark I have seen. All you need to do is submerge whole broken pieces of root bark into water which has had a measured amount of NaOH/sodium hydroxide dissolved into it, wait an hour, add naphtha, stir for a few minutes and then pour the naphtha off into a collection container for evaporation. In essence that is all there is to this tek. No need to fuss with acidifying the root bark for a defat, no pH papers needed, no separatory funnel, nothing fancy yet this is a very effective technique with higher yields than any other method out there yet."

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Lazyman's_tek

https://catbull.com/alamut/Bibliothe...from_m.hos.pdf

[elixirmixer]

Really, is it easier to look it up? or easier to ask you for it? Think about that.......

I wont get world change by reading books, but I may get world change by sharing experience and questionings with others.

[elixirmixer]

wow that is easy to make...

[elixirmixer]

So, if this does happen (it probably will, but it is illegal where I am so it has to be 'In SYNC' (there I said it) with the universe.

Dev, could you please share, since I do believe this is your field of expertise, what a "Sacred DMT ceremony" would look like?

HOW DO YOU DO PSYCHEDELICS?

[Awani]

I challenge you to put your money where you mouth is and take any psychedelic you choose in a worldly party setting (such as a rave or concert where one is meant to experience onslaughts of energetic pleasures), and then take the same psychedelic in your room, door closed, lights out, no people, no music....just yourself in a dark room for 8 hours.

LOL. Although I use music, but it's always traditional shamanic music.

One thing you forgot to mention is to take a LARGE dose.

I know someone that raves on about the sacredness of the mushroom experience, all the while eating them like they are a packet of crisps.

Do I really have to point out that the above example has no validity? So what if she says that and then behaves in such a way? How is that proof of anything?

Also, to be fair, one side-effect can be your utter disrespect for money. Perhaps blowing all that money and go to Paris was the smart thing to do? What is sane in an insane society?

...their complete intellectual superiority over all other nations is making the lifestyle on this planet a bit one sided, but Im happy that their DNA has spread all over the world, and that Im sure I have just a little piece of it, allowing for higher level divine thinkings.

This statement is horseshit.

Is there any psychedelics that the Hebrews used traditionally?

Some say Moses smoked DMT.

...but it is illegal...

Fuck the law. This is a human right. The government has no right to control your mind. Althuogh use stealth at all times.

Dev, could you please share, since I do believe this is your field of expertise, what a "Sacred DMT ceremony" would look like?

"My way" is based on what I have learned from direct experience with traditional indigenous shamanic cultures in the Amazon and Central Africa... and from the indigenous in other parts of the world (but these have been through reading, so not direct).

See: The Importance of Ritual or this

Most important:

- be calm, meditate
- don't be alone, have a sitter
- do it in complete darkness
- DO NOT THINK - watch

DMT specific:

- make sure you inhale a lot and hold it in your lungs for as long as you can... and then try and do another hit of the same size... you need help with the pipe/lighter in order to do this... the second smoke you'll already be "there"
- if you hear a "swooosh" or "crackling" sound in your ears you are well on your way
- three large hits is key... I have never managed to go beyond two...

- finally to smoke DMT, in my opinion, is not the best "tool" for working with this stuff long term... I think ayahuasca or psilocybin are far superior... but who I am to judge... whatever works, works.

If you live in Australia you might have heard of the Golden Wattle?

Very common. Why do the indigenous of Australia have an oral tradition of the Dreamtime? I wonder...

[Awani]

...all plants are sacred...

The Iboga plant is "more sacred than others"... and I dare anyone to eat 25 spoons of ground up Iboga root and report that this plant is equally sacred all other plants.

IMO it is the King/Queen of all plants that have ever existed, or will ever exist.

Although it is only sacred from the perspective of monkey people in clothes... the plant itself - I don't feel - have any such hierarchical claims.

But still, a pea knows it should not fuck with a pineapple.

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Natural hierarchy

1. Iboga (don't confuse this with the "weaker" ibogaine compound)
2. Ayahuasca
3. DMT*
4. Psilocybin/Mescalin
5. Cannabis (oral)
6. Salvia Divinorum

Lab-created hierarchy

1. DMT**
2. LSD
3. MDMA

* Some might think it strange that I place DMT in third place, considering that many report it being very strong. While this is true it is only strong for 2 minutes... Iboga can be "strong" for a week. Ayahuasca for at least 5 hours.

** DMT is lab-created, but its source is a plant... so not 100 % lab-made. DMT is in our bodies naturally.

Italics = substances I have not tried, so they are placed where they are placed based on what I have understood from researching these substance - not based on personal direct experience... so I might change this list if I discover that my research incorrect. But I feel fairly confident with these lists.

[elixirmixer]

Fuck the law. This is a human right. The government has no right to control your mind. Althuogh use stealth at all times.

Your a fucking legend Dev

a pea knows it should not fuck with a pineapple

Many LOL's.

If you live in Australia you might have heard of the Golden Wattle?

Yes actually, DMT was the first thing I ever tried making practically in the lab (failed) and the golden wattle is very common in northern New South Wales (a state in Australia) and you do also find it very commonly all over Australia, but particularly there...

I am taking this quite seriously, because a re-opening to my respecting the sacredness of some of these plants is an important step I think. I just went for a drive down to the lake and found a good source of black wattle.

While people have had varying success with this species, I believe its my best shot.

I fortunately have everything I need for this experiment, will be attending to it in a sacred manner (not selling any or misbehaving ect...) and be taking the "In The Dark" challenge.

I am really excited to go all the way with this, nice big 100mg dose to start things rolling.

Are there any reports of permanent psychosis or other bad permanent effects? I know that overall people do consider it a pretty safe drug, at least in regards to that the effects wear off quickly and don't leave you feeling too bad... but have there been cases of serious illness?

im going with a HCL, then NaOH, then ether... sound good?

I Imagine, that this will actually give a complex alkaloid compound, not pure DMT, but that it will be a good 50 - 60%.

Are we looking good for take off?