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    I have one criticism of the USA and I think all the other stuff is less important because there are countless other nations doing the same thing or worse. All I think that can be said about the USA is they are currently better at this method of doing various bad things then other countries many of whom would do the same or worse if they could.

    I suggest that the USA is worse then all other countries because they are the only nation who have deliberately used nuclear weapons on civilian population by deliberately bombing Japanese cities. Irrespective of the barbarities of Japan in WW2 the use of nuclear weapons on cities, not military bases is a supreme atrocity which puts the USA head and shoulders above any other nation in the world except perhaps NAZI Germany.

    All this other stuff is I suggest 'small beer' and sadly just the general kind of thing various nations do or would do if they were able. It is the application of nuclear weapons to civilians which makes the USA different I feel. As for Americans individually I have liked all of the ones I have personally met.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axismundi000 View Post
    ...above any other nation in the world except perhaps NAZI Germany.
    Which would not have risen to such power without the aid of American Corporations. So then there is that... and not a conspiracy. Look it up those who question this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Axismundi000 View Post
    As for Americans individually I have liked all of the ones I have personally met.
    Sure. And I only speak of the governments. People are generally only at fault in their bias, ignorance or apathy... and saying that, the Bomb would not have fallen on Japan if the American people had not allowed it. That goes for all atrocities committed by governments the world over. In the end we can only blame ourselves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Awani View Post
    Who is stopping this "push" you think? Exactly.

    You might be surprised if you dig too deeply into that question. As for me. I choose my path. There are people who don't own a car, and bicycle to work. There are people who grow their own food and save seeds without aide from Monsanto. There are those who don't own a TV or read papers, or shop only for what they feel is needed without buying "luxuries." These people exist, and I'm happy to know a few.

    For my actions and ideas I can only blame myself. I think the actions of masses of consumers influence the world more than you might think. Might I recommend the book "Trust Me, I'm Lying."

    Rockefeller influenced and corrupted billions, not only by buying political influence, but also by supporting groups with "noble causes" and putting them center stage to gain control of the automobile fuel market. I'm speaking here of an early abandonment of alcohol as a fuel through both prohibition, and having a finger in legislative policies that followed. (Again, speaking from a US perspective only) Ask yourself how successful he'd be if nobody was first convinced of a "need" for automobiles. This is how most large businesses are built. Start with a product, create a need for it, and then stir up the media to call attention to it. I'm still at step two with my books,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon's Tail View Post
    You might be surprised if you dig too deeply into that question.
    I'm not surprised since I know.


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    My first thought goes to animal instinct, fight or flight, secondly to roll models and education, my third I would
    give to media and who controls it.

    There is a great deal of knowledge about our buttons and how to push the right ones. I am sure there have
    been people who have been aware of this for a long long time, but it really came into its own when Edward
    Bernays pondered public relations (PR) and the idea of consumerism.

    As consumers we are the batteries of The Matrix, but the real Matrix is not a bunch of sentient machines, the
    Matrix is a system. Man created the Matrix, but no one owns it, it has a life of its own and IMO has run wild;
    now we have to strive to survive within its atmosphere.

    I believe it is time to change the system.

    Ghislain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghislain View Post
    it has a life of its own and IMO has run wild;
    Ghislain
    Well put. The world today is a place where everyone is their own newspaper, and with minimal work they can reach large audiences, and the system is tiered, and a breeding ground for stories that provoke the most hits, likes, and shares. Ryan Holiday call it "working a story up the chain," and he's used that tactic to manipulate the media for his own purposes.

    So as I read this, when I see "change the system," I'm expecting any second for you to superman flight out of your bathroom, lol. On the other hand, since the system itself is so primed, maybe the best way to rip it apart is from the inside. You just have to find the right string and yank on it.

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    Well now there's the problem DT, as I have told you before I am inherently lazy lol. I walk the line between
    vexation and complacency.

    Many people are content in their lives perhaps, may I infer, in blissful ignorance, many feign contentment
    avoiding issues they know are there, as it is simpler than dealing with them, some, like myself, rant about the
    injustices, but do too little to alleviate them.

    The question is numbers; how do you convince seven billion people that the system is faulty, let alone come to
    a consensus on what it should be replaced with.

    My opinion is that it will take a major global catastrophe to bring the world's people together, but I live in the
    hope that it won't be the case.

    I like the ideas of the late futurist, industrial designer and multi-disciplinarian Jacque Fresco and The Venus
    Project, but how do you convince the populace of these propositions against the monumental furtherance of
    capitalism, interconnected with monetarism, by the plutocratically controlled, corporate owned, mainstream
    media. How do you convince people that continuous growth is an impossible myth, that the world as they
    perceive it is a lie and is about to come tumbling around their feet, when they are in denial.

    In my opinion, the way forward is a resourced based economy with control handed over to AI, but then AI has
    been demonised as the harbinger of death to the human race via the media: The Matrix, Terminator, I-Robot,
    Transcendence, Ex-Machina, Wall-E...the list goes on and on. If AI doesn't kill us all the Muslims will; when will
    people wake up and see it is all smoke and mirrors.

    So, I'll sip my tea and devour my muffins while I sit and wait for the inevitable.

    Ghislain

    Edit: Check this out and tell me if you see the funny side of it.

    World Debt Clock
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    I sputtered out a short story a while back that discussed a different kind of utopia/dystopia revealing the real danger to be the interconnectedness that people are pursuing through social media. I have a story about AI too. Your post amuses me because I'm one of the people that said, "You know what? I'm done. I'm just gonna go make my own stuff."

    Still working on that pursuit, but there is a small trend around the world of ditching city politics and nourishing smaller communities. There's even,,, I can't remember the city, but there was an empty lot left over from a torn down building, and a small community in the city turned it into a very productive little garden based on worm farming and other permaculture techniques.

    Unfortunately, I don't know if I want that to become the mainstream, because if you totally cut the profit margins that contribute to your countries (any country) GDP, then sure as matches to fire, some politicos will enact laws and red-tape to prevent it from taking hold. Big corporations supply "safety regulations" that squash small industry, and funny enough even the "buy local" people will happily endorse them, because they don't see the shell game.

    That's part of the reason I don't try to change the world, only myself. People generally like being uninformed and streaming the headlines. There's a person on Facebook (and I still don't know why she sent me a friend request in the first place) who goes into panic mode every other day about something she saw on the news. I gave up trying to help her, and that was just ONE. Now imagine about 6 billion of those!

    No worries though. Rome ripped itself apart, and all if this "modern magic" is only temporary. When nature has had enough, she'll let us know.

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    You cannot change the system with the same system that created the problem in the first place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon's Tail View Post
    Rome ripped itself apart...
    Actually it did not. The Roman Empire never ended. That is a delusion. In name it ended perhaps, but that is about it.


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