DMT Report

[elixirmixer]

So, I wasn't sure if you guys were much for the soul traveling, but it appears you are!! Can someone define a reasonable process for leaving the body? I would like to give it another crack.

I'm getting clostriphobic.

[elixirmixer]

Every time I know I'm going to take drugs, I need to shit.
Dual reality perception would be so epic, but first, you would have to study the female mind and master the art of multitasking.
Also I understand what's Andro's coming from with the 'wake up' thing. I always think about that when I read the emerald tablet 'obtain the Glory of the whole universe'.
I do believe that if we could 'wake up'we could fly. But there are good reasons it doesn't happen easily. I remember 'waking' in a lucid dream, I turned to a tree, and sapped all it's life out, into my own body, to charge me up for flying. I killed the tree just for the sale of a thrill ride, when in waking life I'm not sure I would be willing to have made that exchange.

As far as "primary" existence, this is subjective. There are deities floating around out there, in there own realms, whom I bet find their world's just as real as ours.

Some lucid dreams I have had felt A LOT more real, them my waking life, the body can dull things I believe.

I would love to learn how to shift world's without the drugs. Please someone teach me how
Otherwise ill just have to make the stuff

What do you think Andro, would 'awaken' someone to that level? I believe you would need all chakras pumping at full steam, heaps of built up sexual energy, clear meridian's, a thoroughly cleansed subconscious, and finally, a restructured belief system that was specifically taught to have no limitation to the energy their body could hould.

[Awani]

I personally do not see it as drugs, unless we agree that everything is a drug (which it is).

Also I do not think it is a good idea to put demands on these substances. They have an agenda all on their own. So if your goal is just to have OBE then you might, but probably not.

My only suggestion is to go into it with respect and good intentions. Doing things as heavy as DMT without any shamanic practices is in my humble opinion both dangerous and/or a waste of time. I am not going to tell anyone how to do things, but you have been warned.

Alchemy without soul travelling, as you say, is not alchemy worthy of my attention.

As for waking up I think there are many levels to this, and some are practically impossible to achieve in this life (reserved perhaps for the very few). And in a way it is not necessary to wake up on all levels, because if you did why would you be here in the first place unless you are some intergalactic emissary?

I am certain you can 'fly' without help, but since there are airplanes why wait 10 years (of training) to fly to China when you can just book a ticket with your phone today?

Life is short and no path is better than the next, but I rather be where I am now thanks to 7 years of working with plants than reach the point I am at now 20 years from now (or perhaps never).

It is not for everyone, but for me the Teacher Plants have been a true miracle... what I have shared openly about my own experiences is only the tip of the iceberg.

[elixirmixer]

May I ask you dev, what the purpose of the soul travel is? What does it accomplish? Or what do you 'do' while your there? I always sought a way into the astral plane's, hoping to visit some kind of astral city, or obtain some rare astral item that my soul could retain...
It seems to me though, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you just 'there for the ride' and that it's the experience itself that your looking to obtain. Is that true?

[elixirmixer]

I have had one experience with DMT, and your right, I was looking for OBE and I didnt get it. Instead, I saw strange layers of light fields, different layers had different colours and all the layers of the rainbow were there, and certain layers, say for example 'the yellow layer' would be wrapped around people in a particular area, say, around their neck, or a different colour would be around their wrist. But the same colours were connected to each persons same body part.

As I observed the people (we were at burning seed which is the Aussie version of burning man festival in America) I came to a realisation, that when people moved, it wasn't by their choice, it wasn't a consciousness act of free will, but rather an impulse, an instance driven by these light fields... it was a wonder to behold yet also quite sad, seeing my human friends being subordinate to an unknown force, without the slightest bit of a
Awareness to it....

Then I threw up, but it felt good. The purge feeling...

[Awani]

I do it for personal healing and transformation into a higher state of being. I do it to understand the world and to merge with the Divine Mystery. I do it because my "religion" is shamanism. But I am here for the ride. My experience is the only thing that is.

One question regarding your own experience: did you do it in the dark?

[elixirmixer]

No I didn't.... I'm guessing that I should have. The experience deffinatly was not as potent as the experience's I have read about. It was also given to me by some friends and I'm not sure of the dosage.

[Awani]

Well if it was Changa then it is weaker from my understanding, but if it was pure DMT then two things matter:

1. how long you hold the smoke in your lungs
2. how many times you can smoke... more than 2 is difficult to do without help

And finally the most important is to do it with respect and treat it as a ritual. I mean this is not the law, but if you want to go far (and use it as a tool for self-improvement and transformation) then using shamanic techniques is the only way to go.

And for God's sake do it in the DARK!!! Pitch-black.

I never do any psychedelics alone... but one time I did and I got a bit scared. What did I do to stop being scared? I turned on the light!!! Doing psychedelics during the day, or in non-darkness, is like pissing in the wind. In my humble opinion.

I wonder why most shamanic cultures have their rituals at night?

[Awani]

This is not a report of a recent journey... just an attempt at conveying some emotions regarding "doing" it. But every word is true and based on personal experience...

The first thing that happens is fear, an intense fear.

The more I have done it the more fear I experience. This is one of those things when experience is more of a handicap than being a novice is, because I know what is coming.

My hands tremble as I hold the pipe. I attempt to light it a few times, but I chicken out. I try to calm down. I know that being calm is the best state to be in, but when you are standing in an airplane, with the door open, and no parachute on your back and you are about to jump… well you would tremble a bit.

The only comfort I have is the fact that in ten minutes everything will be back to “normal”, but I also know that ten minutes can be an extremely long time.

Another part of the fear is the fact that I am scared to do it, but that I also know that I will. When I am sitting there committed I never back out. So even if it frightens me I know that I will take the leap. So it is not a question of “if” the hammer is coming down, but “when” will it? When will I light the pipe?

Eventually the internal debate of trying to find a reason not to do it is over and I let it rip, but it is not so easy to smoke… I only have a few seconds to successfully manage to get at least two massive hits into my lungs, but the nervousness of doing this makes it a feat on its own. Also the fact that once the first hit is done it all comes on so quickly, and in such an intense fashion, that I question the sanity of doing yet another hit.

And if I manage to do the second hit there is a terrifying moment right after where I question if that really was the right thing to do, and an even more terrifying moment when I know that it doesn’t matter what I think was right or not right - because it is too fucking late to do anything about it now. There is no parachute. No way to step off the train. It is going and all I can do is hang on to my socks and hope I can survive the next ten minutes.

I will survive. I know it is safe. But knowing such things is irrelevant when I am inside the experience. The experience itself is so overwhelming that fear takes over completely.

I hear a sound, like breaking through the sound barrier. A chrysanthemum-like geometrical pattern in constant transformational loops sparkle all the colors of a diamond-encrusted rainbow… it approaches like a speeding train and explode in my mind.

I’m back.

[JinRaTensei]

What a cliffhanger XD, does the report end there?