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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    This alleged 'bust' may very well be a double-edged sword
    How? How can it be better or worse for someone to know that there is no such thing as a flying tomato with the head of a snail and Julia Roberts legs? Or do you mean that it is better for them not to be aware that "they" are themselves their own parasite? No. That is not better. But the reason they are not aware is because they keep looking for that flying tomato creature...

    But really it is not of my concern if people are aware or not aware. Only if I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dev View Post

    I was expecting a reply to my post to point out the above sentence. Busted! LOL! The Parasite is the I... that is the only villain. Any other external (even if everything external is internal) is just what you (or I) deserve to attract based on our output. Does that mean the Jews deserved to get killed by the Nazis? Well, in a way yes. OMG!!! Does that mean if I get gangraped to death tomorrow, does that mean that I deserve that? Well of course. 100 %.

    It's not what happens to me (you) that matters, but how I deal with it. Getting completely off track now...


    To see that the Parasite is not there. Sure is! Because if everything is my fault, then who is responsible? Who has to change? Who has to evolve?

    I do.

    A lot harder than casting blame left and right. This is (can be) a life changing revelation in conscious awareness.

    I think you are on track. You are the Parasite, I am the Parasite. The Parasite loves "rants," gets off on them.

    The Jews didn't deserve the mass systematic murdering. You don't deserve to get gang raped. The Parasite in us can control sensibilities when we become saturated with strong emotion. Thoughts of extreme pain and pleasure can take hold in an almost instinctual way though we see ourselves as intelligent and in control of our emotions.

    Third Eye peripheral vision helps the mules to see the gray areas we hide from ourselves so our world view remains true to our expectations. We are all mules laboring for the Parasite.

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    Some classical Gnostic theories have an "evil" Demiurge + Archons controlling Mankind and mostly trying to enslave it (i.e, Sethian Gnosticism)

    Some other classical Gnostic theories have an "ignorant" Demiurge (and not exactly "evil") who translates the One into what we perceive... and THEN man-created demons who are able to replace the Demiurge and become autonomous entities (i.e, most political ideologies fall into this category)... This is mostly Valentinean and post-Valentinean.

    Of course, there are other models too (manicheism, etc).

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    Other than that, our memory is quite tricky and we often mix it with out fantasies and there's no need for a "Gnostic" explanation.

    i.e, a joke within my family is the first vacations that my parents had together. My father told my mother that they were going to visit one of the biggest waterfalls of the world, as big as the Niagara Falls, and that he was almost a super-heroe because he was one of the few persons who could jump from the top of the fall and land on the water completely unharmed using special techniques. My mother was impressed.
    But when they arrived to the HUGE falls... well, they were 1 meter high. It was just his memory remembering him as a super-heroe and doing something that made him look like an Olympic athlete.

    Something similar happened to me when a friend from Paris visited me. I told her about a Castle that was bigger than any Castle she saw in France, bigger than Notre-Dame, bigger than any European Castle. We traveled to Uruguay to see it. When we arrived, this is what we saw:



    ... not truly what I remembered. It was simply a tiny "castle"... it was obviously nothing when compared to the Notre-Dame Cathedral or any *average* European Castle. My mind played a trick on me and filled my memory with enthusiasm. It was funny.

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    As for the 2 Gnostic variations I know, I am often more inclined to the second one...
    Though I think the "Mandela Effect" can be explained without using any Gnostic theory... And I am quite sure that the persons living in South Africa have less confusions about what happened to Mandela that someone living in, say, Argentina or Sweden.

    (i.e, if I lived 5 blocks away from the "huge" Castle, I would have probably remembered it as it is).

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    Quote Originally Posted by z0 K View Post
    The Jews didn't deserve the mass systematic murdering. You don't deserve to get gang raped.
    Do you think the Nazis would have been able to:

    1. capture me
    2. detain me
    3. force me to work
    4. gas me

    ...without me putting up a resistance (and possibly getting killed in the process - which is fine)... but I would NEVER allow myself to be compromised. That is what I mean. People allow themselves to be stepped on. I have family who died in those camps so it is not like I am not emotionally involved. I still think there is a difference between getting killed for resisting and just allowing yourself to be put to slaughter. Enough of Godwins law...

    I have actually visually seen the Parasite. So I know who it is. Or in other words who it is not (and is), as it does not exist.

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    How can it be better or worse for someone to know that there is no such thing as a flying tomato with the head of a snail and Julia Roberts legs?
    Why should any outside source be more credible than another? I am bound to my perceive this life as myself. Therefor I can not say with certainty that the bible holds more validity than anything else besides myself...so I can choose.
    Actually this is not just the most satisfying description of an other worldly antagonist I have came across but also the only way Julia Roberts will ever be able to cast a smile on my face ^^.

    The matrix, imo, has a very Gnostic touch obviously. The red or the blue pill, blissful slavery or paralyzing reality. Humanity kept as organic batteries for the machine like parasite (as in no empathy). So I canīt help but wonder if the Waschowski brothers knew more than the public or if this is some sort of predictive programming to install in us all the notion that humanities enslavement is even bigger than this world or reality and thereby useless to be fought against.

    My mind played a trick on me and filled my memory with enthusiasm. It was funny.
    Did it? Until the point you revisited the castle your mind and your view of that particular aspect of reality was perfectly in harmony with yourself. How can you know that your mind played the trick and not reality itself and is there really a difference between the both of them?
    One can logically assume that naturally it has to be ones own mind since the castle in this case will have also been experienced by other peoples and so it will be easy to deduce truth from fiction but going with the thread topic can you be certain this is not the "Mandela Effect"?
    On the other hand the years,thoughts and emotions you spend and lived while under this illusion of this being a large castle are they automatically just a lie now as well? Why not? Same rules applied your life in those years integrated information which was not real and thereby aspects of your life should also be not real.But did you after finding out about the "truth" of the castle think even for a second that it was of any importance for the validity of your former and future life? I assume not.
    And I am quite sure that the persons living in South Africa have less confusions about what happened to Mandela that someone living in, say, Argentina or Sweden.
    And this is how I think this "Mandela Effect" takes place if it has any truth to it. It is not the distance or the frequency of interaction which holds a certain memory inside of us but the emotional attachment. And emotional attachment is not bound by a specific narrative. If a changed narrative can produce the same emotion than you yourself and the parasite are equally satisfied. Just as, imo, it was no coincidence that you lost this false narrative years later while visiting with your good friend. Because whatever emotional need, remembering a building more grand than it really is, fulfilled in your life this has been replaced by the experiences and paths you took in the years which followed and thereby the "power" of that emotion/ memory has been squeezed dry.No need to carry it with you any longer. So "reality" choose a scenario for you to let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    Why should any outside source be more credible than another?
    It isn't really. I just tried to exaggerate my point, which was that it doesn't matter since there is no external Parasite... no puppet master (in the conspiratorial sense) other than the I.

    But this is only my opinion based on direct experience. Also this is why I find it more and more difficult to share opinions/perspectives and participate in debates (like I said elsewhere), because at a certain point we have to understand that we are playing different video games.

    You can argue how Grand Theft Auto's cheat code works, and I can argue that you are utterly wrong... but I happen to play Minecraft. And we are both unaware this is going on [that we think we are talking about the same game, when in fact they are completely different].

    Different video games, although possibly hosted on the same server.

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    The universe is an Arcade Hall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    blissful slavery
    The 'perfect' slave is the one who's convinced he's free.

    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    the Wachowski brothers
    They're the Wachowski sisters now.

    a flying tomato with the head of a snail and Julia Roberts legs
    This is a direct insult on my holy religion!



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    But 'seriously'... My own 'core' philosophy has been undergoing significant 'renovations' over the last year or so.

    And like any renovation, it can be a bit messy until all the leftovers/superfluities are cleaned off...

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    They're the Wachowski sisters now.
    May not be politically correct but still made me grin XD. I assume most here can agree that there are better ways to live the androgynous aspects of their psyche than cutting of "undesired flesh" ^^

    This is a direct insult on my holy religion!
    Forgive my insolence of thy holy lord. All hail his name! XD

    Different video games, although possibly hosted on the same server.
    So basically the only thing humanity can vastly agree on is having nearly the same joysticks o0. And therefor most of our lives we spend arguing what a pretty gamepad/controller/joystick has to look like.And how much easier playing our games will be if we finally achieve this joystick.

    Sometimes there are server updates, universal and big events, which affect all but still we never play the same game so what use is it to share and compete with another players high score.

    Only those who play their specific game to the end will see the end credits and realize that it all has been a game and that god is just a sweaty, fat game developer o0

    ...still frustrating, donīt we all just wish to play one and the same multiplayer game together like Mario Party which would be heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    So basically the only thing humanity can vastly agree on is having nearly the same joysticks. And therefor most of our lives we spend arguing what a pretty gamepad/controller/joystick has to look like. And how much easier playing our games will be if we finally achieve this joystick.
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    cutting of "undesired flesh"
    You mean cutting the Joy-Stick?

    In fact, VERY few actually go all the way and make the 'Final Cut'.

    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    Forgive my insolence of thy holy lord. All hail his name!
    You are forgiven, my child. 10 Bloody Marys and a bowl of Holy Pasta.

    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    god is just a sweaty, fat game developer
    And always hungry for one thing: MORE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    I assume most here can agree that there are better ways to live the androgynous aspects of their psyche than cutting of "undesired flesh".
    I don't. For some it is a choice between cutting the dick or the throat.

    Although all this will be easier to remedy once we can live full time in VR (VR within VR).

    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    ...still frustrating, donīt we all just wish to play one and the same multiplayer game together like Mario Party which would be heaven.
    IMO a shitty game... multiplayer Minecraft much better choice...

    Last edited by Awani; 06-03-2016 at 10:20 AM.

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