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    Alchemist's Mind Palace

    While reading a reply on a thread to a post I started called What Is Alchemy To Me?. I felt a little rush as I read JinRaTensei’s metaphor about Internal Alchemy:

    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    The body the temple, the mind the lab, and the heart the cauldron. I invent the change I desire in my lab, then create that change by cooking in my cauldron so that the change takes visible form in my temple, which again ensures that my lab has all the materials it needs.
    I really liked this metaphor, and feel it could be expanded upon. So I will attempt to do so on this thread. I feel the core concepts hold strong, although there is so much more that could be added. As I read the quote I thought of the Lab as being a mind palace. A place you could build in meditation and eventually learn to access in a dream state.

    It may have a dashboard for what is going on in your cauldron and temple, perhaps a secondary cauldron like a pensive from the infamous Harry Potter; a place to reminisce or store memories. It could have a bookcases with duplicates of our journals. I personally think this metaphor would easily become a working metaphor. With a little hard work and perseverance. Perhaps even the addition of binaural beats to assist the Theta waves.

    I am also going to be expanding on this thread over time. I have plenty of other ideas for this. I just wanted to get the initial thought down as a place holder and reminder. I am now going to go and do some work on my Objectivity/Subjectivity writing and research. Which I have been meaning to do for some time.

    So was hoping that people may share some ideas of what you could have in a Alchemist’s Mind Palace. Or perhaps some of your favourite Internal Mental Alchemy tools which could fit well.
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    I see it a bit different.

    Body = Temple
    Gut = Lab + Cauldron
    Heart = Psychological arcehtype to achieve a specific state of mind
    Mind = Gateway


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    Thats interesting, I love a bit of variety. I wonder how many others have variations of a similar idea.

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    I really liked this metaphor, and feel it could be expanded upon. So I will attempt to do so on this thread. I feel the core concepts hold strong, although there is so much more that could be added
    Thank you for your kind words! This metaphor actually is not something I thought up myself but just my own understanding of an alchemical concept which will cross your path at some point if you continue this road.
    In its simplest form it is the concept of the trinity Mercury, Sulfur and Salt.
    Mercury = mind or spirit
    Sulfur = soul or your essence
    Salt = your body or material objects

    Many sources will mention these substances instead of saying mind/soul/body. The goal is to find your personal balance/equilibrium and to elevate yourself(all of them except for the ego part in short) and to also elevate the body(all of them as in different energy bodies).
    Cultivate only the mind and your wisdom and knowledge will increase to the maximum of the spectrum being omiscience but you will only know how to be immortal but not be it.
    Cultivate only the soul and your love, compassion and "way of being" will increase to the maximum of the spectrum being pure love or light. You will be immortal and omniscience but you will not be you and you will not be able to act according to your own will since neither your will has been cultivated to the same level as well as your body has not so in short you have neither a driver nor a vehicle but limitless gasoline.
    Cultivate only the body and your energy,endurance,shape,ability will increase to the maximum of the spectrum being omnipotence but you will only have a immortal body your mind will not be able to comprehend/use this higher energy body and your mind will at some point opt out what is called insanity.Also your soul will also not be able to comprehend/use this immortal body and will not be able to keep up the energy. So at some point you will have no desire to live, no wishes and hopes, just nothing. But a different nothing from what you experience in meditation, the soulless nothing is like a black hole sucking energy away into nothingness/void while meditation is like a empty hole in the earth which slowly fills with water (spiritual essence, spiritus mundi, the one matter etc).

    If one wants to create ones own mindpalace or entire cosmos I would suggest learning the rules/laws governing the building of the palace first. But remember it is not about knowledge but comprehension. For instance I sometimes read one and the same book/text several times over the course of several years and allthough I objectively allways read the same my comprehension of what I read changes each time greatly.

    A very good example, imo, of the difference between comprehension and knowledge is the great Buddha himself.
    Vigyan Bhairav Tantra which you can find in its entirety here in this forums ressource section.
    http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showt...-s-amp-E-books
    It s a compilation of dozens of different breathing techniques and ways to harness energy/refine consciousness. There are 112 different techniques from different schools explained.
    The very first technique:
    Radiant One, this experience may dawn between two breaths.After breath comes in (down) and just before turning up (out) – the beneficence.

    Nothing more. Just these lines. But, this is said to be the only technique the great Buddha used to reach immortality,enlightenment and everything else which is associated with the Buddha.
    It was not his knowledge but his comprehension. Today with the internet many of us probably have much more knowledge than Gautama ever had in his earthly lifetime but it is all useless and a deflection because we have no comprehension.

    I would advise you to take a look at the hermetic principles or golden chain of homer as a foundation since this will give you "the little rulebook" with which you will comprehend all other or more advanced concepts on a whole different level.

    But than again this is just what I would suggest. I am neither able to give you the best advice for your own life nor am I the most experienced you will find in this forum( not even close ^^ ). But since being a novice myself maybe I can relate to what is leading your heart in the beginning of your journey.

    And never forget, enjoy
    Last edited by JinRaTensei; 07-27-2016 at 08:39 PM.

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    Very interesting if you donīt mind could you expand a little
    Gut = Lab + Cauldron
    Do you mean by this the lower dantian/ first energy center of the body?
    Since this physically really seems to be the "boiling room" of the body the cauldron part would fit perfectly but I am a bit curious about the lab part. Do we have different understandings of the metaphor lab in this regard or why is it that you would put your mind/spirit here? For instance according to my current understanding I would say the gut is the cauldron+recipe but not the actual lab where you think of/create the recipe.
    Heart = Psychological arcehtype to achieve a specific state of mind
    In which way do you refer to archetype in this specific discussion? In my mind an archetype is more akin to a fundamental concept/principle of some sort. So it confuses me that an archetype could achieve anything like a specific state of mind in that sense. You can, your heart can, your soul can (imo) but I feel I am lacking the understanding of an archetype in this regard. Because isnīt an archetype something akin to inspiration it does nothing by itself but inspires/catalyses reactions in the observer.
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    JimRaTensei:
    So much good information here! There is no point me quoting my favourite parts, I would end up quoting most of your post. Thank you for sharing this with me. I am slightly silenced and in awe.

    When I get some time I am going to sit down and really contemplate what you have offered me in this post. It really deserves some focused time dedicated to it.

    As a general update for anyone who is interested. I am still working on my "Objective vs. Subjective" piece. Although it seems to have transmuted into a "What is it to 'know'?" piece at the moment as I search for the smallest piece of information (Which as a tid-bit of my findings appears to be 'data'). This piece is certainly going to take me more than a few days working flat out. Which luckily I have at the moment. So I am hoping for completion in about 3 days.

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    So much good information here! There is no point me quoting my favourite parts, I would end up quoting most of your post. Thank you for sharing this with me. I am slightly silenced and in awe.
    Thank you very kind but just wait until you get to know more about the other alchemists here and you will see that what I can offer is nothing much really but if I hear the great motivation in your words correctly than I have done my little part .

    This piece is certainly going to take me more than a few days working flat out. Which luckily I have at the moment. So I am hoping for completion in about 3 days.
    Looking forward to it but donīt feel forced to hold a certain time frame you mentioned.

    "What is it to 'know'?" piece at the moment as I search for the smallest piece of information (Which as a tid-bit of my findings appears to be 'data')
    Is there data without any kind of observer?How does a observer recognize data? also with some kind of (own) data? So there has to be something "before" or even "smaller" than data maybe?
    What recognices is consciousness, so what is consciousness?

    A really hard and deep topic you chose with more than one absolute answer like everything else I assume. Looking forward to your thoughts on this

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    Mercury = mind or spirit
    Sulfur = soul or your essence
    Salt = your body or material objects

    The goal is to find your personal balance/equilibrium
    To add my few cents:

    Mind = thoughts/ideas
    Soul/Heart = desires
    Body = actions

    Mercurius is the messenger right? In other words Mercurius, mind, thought is the messenger between desires and actions. The inner world (desire) and the outer world (actions).

    You have the desire to reach a goal, but your actions have nothing to do with it? Think about your goal. Keep the goal in your mind. Repeat it to yourself... If you do this, your hearts desires will be translated into actions. That's atleast the way I understand this concept.

    Your thoughts should fit your desires, aswell as your actions. Desire one thing, think about another, will lead to "doing nothing".
    Desire one thing, think about achieving it, will make you work on it.


    I just looked something up I once wrote down for myself. It mainly differs in the meaning of salt, which I wrote here, but it might help the discussion:

    Sulfur = passion / willpower
    Mercury = thoughts / imagination
    Salt = consciousness that combines Sulfur and Mercury

    Below I noted a text phrase of which I forgot where I got it from (google points towards "an idiots guide to alchemy" but I am pretty sure I never read this book; no idea where I got that quote from; sorry):

    "Both the Imagination of Mercury and the Will of Sulfur must be called into action. When the two are conjoined and the Imagination creates an image and the Will directs and uses that image, then marvelous magical effects can be obtained."
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    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    Do you mean by this the lower dantian/ first energy center of the body?
    There is a lot of wisdom in the well-known phrase "you are what you eat"... using various diets to achieve different states of mind/body the stomach is like an alchemical lab.

    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    In which way do you refer to archetype in this specific discussion?
    It was the only word that I could think of. When you say "think with the heart" you are really thinking with the mind... but you are using the archetype of the heart (compassion/love and so on).

    Last edited by Andro; 07-28-2016 at 01:47 PM. Reason: CoolFix :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    Thank you very kind but just wait until you get to know more about the other alchemists here and you will see that what I can offer is nothing much really but if I hear the great motivation in your words correctly than I have done my little part .
    Well currently I can only compare yourself to myself, and your knowledge seems to far outweigh my own with regards to Alchemy currently. Your humbleness abounds and that can only be a good thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    Looking forward to it but donīt feel forced to hold a certain time frame you mentioned
    Thank you, and I feel that I sometimes work better under a time frame. I hope to at least have something up wishing three days. Even if not finished article. To be honest, what I am struggling with is that the working out is large, perhaps more than anyone will be willing to read. My difficulty is that I cannot condense it until I have fully particulated it. If that was a real word. I am sure Alchemy would have a better word for it. I may share my a brief post explaining my goal and process, and the post a link to a document in my blog?

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    Is there data without any kind of observer?
    As for your first question. I believe the we in the question makes this quote clear. Although I totally agree with your train of thought.

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    How does an observer recognise data?
    This is very much what my article will be about. Currently I have managed to get to 'idea' (meaning see, or form, a pattern), to 'suggestion', which links to 'associate'. So this means I am practically down to my core words. And they are becoming more and more objective. I am getting somewhere but it is a long process. Should have a beautiful piece of work by the end of it, but currently it is a mess.

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    what is consciousness?
    Yet again, this is very much the goal of my article, to explain this is as simple a way as possible. Using concisely defined, objective based, words.

    Quote Originally Posted by JinRaTensei View Post
    A really hard and deep topic you chose with more than one absolute answer like everything else I assume. Looking forward to your thoughts on this.
    If it was easy, it would be worth doing.

    Thanks for your support with this. It is really nice to be able to come up for a breather and have a chat with someone while doing it. You are much appreciated sir.

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