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    hi Ghislain yes one spanish version of artificio V of alchemy solar of lana terzi it is in pdf

    my best regard
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    lana terzi Artificio sobre el Fuego Solar

    (traducida del latín por rhoend)

    Artificio V

    En un frasco de vidrio especial, cerrado y vacío, expuesto a la luz solar, un arco iris iridiscente se

    observa el interior del recipiente después de unas horas, que se condensa en un líquido blanco

    como la leche, y después de una cocción suave el líquido se convierte en rojo y tiene la capacidad

    de penetrar el oro.

    La práctica consiste esencialmente en reunir la luz del sol o más bien el calor del cielo en un frasco

    / cuerpo, y el resultado posee una fuerza prodigiosa.

    Este dispositivo es realmente extraordinario, y se ha mantenido en secreto por mucho tiempo.

    Ahora sentimos que debe ser probado por todos, ya que tiene muchos resultados, tanto en la

    ciencia médica como la técnica química, cuyos resultados se pueden obtener fácilmente si

    hacemos un compromiso más diligente, a diferencia de como se ha hecho hasta ahora.

    Para este trabajo se utiliza un vaso urinario, que se utiliza comúnmente para la destilación,

    alrededor de un pie de altura (30 cm) y con una boca ancha, a cuatro dedos colocados de lado.

    Su parte inferior debe ser tratada desde el exterior de forma que se utilice la plata de un espejo

    (un espejo plateado desde el exterior), a continuación, aplicamos a la boca del recipiente una lente

    cristalina de tal manera que la boca esté completamente cerrada por ella. La boca debe estar

    cerrada con cuidado para que el aire no transpire fácilmente.

    Además, la lente de cristal antes mencionada debe ser diseñada de manera que después de que

    fue tapada la boca del orinal, si se expone a la luz solar directa, la unión de los rayos casi toca el

    fondo del recipiente, pero no lejos de ella (más de la tercera o cuarta parte de dedo: 1-5 -2 cm). Si

    se tratara de aprovechar plenamente el fondo del recipiente, puede haber un peligro inminente de

    ruptura.



    Pagina 1 di 2




    Pagina 2 di 2


    Este recipiente por esta lente quema, como se dijo, adaptado bajo el tremendo calor del verano, el

    clima y el aire sereno y bien purificado (circunstancias que si usted emplea, se evita cualquier

    efecto adverso) deben ser expuestos al sol para que el fuego (la distancia focal) de la lente, o la

    unión (el punto de concentración) de los rayos del sol coincida con el centro del fondo del

    recipiente, por lo tanto, habrá un trabajo constante ya que el recipiente habrá de desplazarse en

    varias ocasiones acorde al movimiento del sol, de modo de asegurarnos que se recoja los rayos del

    sol siempre en la mitad de la parte inferior.

    Si se hace con cuidado, se verá después de una o dos horas en la parte inferior del frasco, primero

    diversos colores del arco iris, y luego se irán reuniendo poco a poco y en ese momento verás un

    líquido casi viscoso parecido a la leche. Este líquido debe ser raspado del fondo del recipiente de

    vidrio (quitar cuando todavía está un poco "mojado" para evitar romper el recipiente).

    Si se digiere esto a fuego lento, se consolida en un polvo rojizo de sorprendente delicadeza, y si

    este polvo se reduce a líquido, puede fácilmente perforar / penetrar el oro. Hombres ilustres que

    han experimentado esta medicina, especialmente afirman que cura las fiebres y las úlceras de los

    pulmones en un período de siete días, pero en cuanto a las capacidades de este bálsamo celestial,

    tal vez hay muchos otros beneficios en diversos campos.

    Es eficaz para la fiebre si durante tres mañanas y tres tardes se administra al paciente tres granos

    de este polvo en una oz y medio de vino blanco. Para las úlceras de los pulmones, durante un

    período de siete días, la tarde y la mañana, tomar cuatro granos en agua de ortiga.

    Un hombre noble ha estado practicando un proceso diferente por mucho tiempo. En la boca de un

    recipiente redondo de una cierta capacidad, con harina (mezclado con agua) o pasta para pan,

    conectó una lupa de una forma tal que produce que dicha unión no permita que la luz solar llega a

    la parte inferior del recipiente, pero converge en el centro de la vasija. La expone al sol de acuerdo

    con los pasos apropiados que han sido ya mencionados. Cerca de la parte inferior del recipiente,

    una llama se administra de modo que el fondo del recipiente permanece caliente. Si lo hace, en el

    espacio de cinco o seis horas, se las arregla para reunir una cantidad sustancial de esa materia.

    Este otro artificio tiene sólo una variante, la variante de este artificio es sólo la parte inferior del

    recipiente, en lugar del espejo colocado allí, hay un pequeño calor en la parte inferior, pero el

    aparato es el mismo.
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    Thanks Alfr

    Does the vessel need to have a vacuum?

    Ghislain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghislain View Post
    Thanks Alfr

    Does the vessel need to have a vacuum?

    Ghislain
    This is what the text describes:



    -A 30 cm height flask (diameter = 10 centimeters or 4 inches).. with a wide "mouth"

    -a convex lens, the focal point (the point where the light converges) MUST be "1.5 or 2 centimeters ABOVE the base of the flask" or the flask will break. The point of convergence should match the "center" of the flask, though still 2 centimeters above the base.

    -It has to be done during the summer and in a sunny day.

    -A "white water" will be created BELOW the focal point.

    -The convex lens has to hermetically seal the flask.

    -The flask has to be placed on top of a mirror.

    -An alternative is to place the flask on top of a source of heat (i.e, a hot plate)

    -And another alternative is to put inside the flask a mix of flour and water, as if you were going to make bread (I ASSUME that it means below the focal point)... it doesn't explain too much the difference of using this "mix" or not.

    -As for the resulting matter, it says that it has the power of "penetrating gold"... and then it also says that mixed with white wine or other substances (water of nettle), it can heal fever or different sicknesses of the lungs.

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    Thanks for the graphical explanation Zoas, but my question was "does the flask need a vacuum", my reason for asking this
    is because I presumed the flask would be sealed and pressure may build up from the heat in which case the flask may fail.

    Starting off with a partial vacuum may alleviate this.

    Also, what of the bottom of the flask, should it be flat or round, can it have imperfections as this will all effect the way the
    light is reflected from the mirror?

    Will the focal distance change with time of day? May it be useful to use 2 lenses, one fixed at the top of the jar and another
    above it but mobile, so that the focal point can be adjusted due to the time of day? Similar to focusing a microscope.

    I have a lens that is convex on one side but concave on the other, would this serve the purpose?

    Should the whole apparatus be placed on a tilting platform so as to keep the lens pointing at the sun as it moves across the
    sky?


    Ghislain
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoas23 View Post
    This is what the text describes:


    Hello zoas,

    to my understanding, it should be a round bottom flask (urinal) with silver plated bottom. I don't speak Spanish, but this is how I understand this sentence:
    Su parte inferior debe ser tratada desde el exterior de forma que se utilice la plata de un espejo

    (un espejo plateado desde el exterior),
    Does this mean to put a mirror under a glass jar?

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    Ghislain & TheFool:

    1: Yes, the mirror is UNDER the flask, not inside the flask... This is very clear in the text.

    2: This is a late XVII century work... I don't think he was using Vacuum. You can download the entire book here in Latin: http://www.e-rara.ch/zut/doi/10.3931/e-rara-12405

    3: The context leads to assume that he is talking about a flask with a flat bottom and with the less "imperfections" possible.... It's not really an incredibly strange flask.

    4: The lens can be the average lens of a magnifying glass... the "tricky" part is that the focal point has to be 28 centimeters away from the lens... If I was going to replicate this thing, I would probably use a different logic: I would get a lens and check where is the focal point... i.e, my lens can have its focal point 34 centimeters away from the lens... So I would find a 36 centimeters height flask... it is somehow more practical.

    5: As for adjusting the focal point... the text talks says that as the sun moves, you should move the flask so that the focal point always faces the center of the flask... so you probably have to move the flask as if it was a sunflower following the sun. It is probably easier to do such thing than using a set of lenses to have the focal point always in the center...

    6: The text says that the experiment lasts "5 or 6 hours"... so probably it's a good idea to do it between 9:30 and 14:30... as to catch the best moments of the sun (considering that the "ideal" moment is 12:00 pm)

    I have no idea if this experiment leads somewhere, but its procedure is simple and based on common sense... so probably it makes no sense to make it become "complex" (i.e, moving the flask is easier than using several lenses, etc)

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    Artifice 5

    In a particular glass jar ('urinal'), closed and empty, exposed to sunlight, an iridescent rainbow is observed inside the vessel after a few hours, which then condenses into a white liquid like milk, and after gentle cooking the liquid becomes red and has the ability to penetrate gold.
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    The practice essentially involves gathering sunlight or rather the heat of the sky in a flask/body, and the result possesses prodigious strength.

    This device is truly extraordinary and has been kept secret for long. Now we feel that it can be proven to all that it has many results, both in the medical science and in the chemical art, which results can be easily obtained if we make a more diligent commitment, unlike it has been done until now.

    For this work we use a urinal glass, which is commonly used for distillation, about a foot tall and with a wide mouth, wide as four fingers placed sideways.

    Its bottom should be treated from the outside in such a way like with removed silver from mirrors (mirror-plated bottom from the outside), then we apply to the mouth of the vessel a crystalline lens of such size that the mouth is completely closed by it. The mouth must be closed carefully so the air does not transpire.

    Moreover, the aforementioned glass lens must be designed so that when it is exposed to direct sunlight at the urinal mouth, the union of the rays almost touches the bottom of the pot but not too far from it either (most of the third or fourth part of a finger: 1.5cm - 2cm). If it were to fully converge at the bottom of the glass, there may be an imminent danger of breaking.

    This vessel, with this burning lens, as was said, under the tremendous heat of summer weather and serene pure air (circumstances which if you employ, you avoid any adverse effects) should be exposed to the sun so that the fire (the focal length) of the lens, or the union (the point of concentration) of the sun's rays coincide with the center of the bottom of the pot, therefore with constant work it is appropriate that the vessel itself must be shifted repeatedly as the motion of the sun requires, in other words we must ensure that in order to collect the rays they have to go always to the center of the bottom.

    If done carefully, you will see after one or two hours on the bottom of the jar at first various colors of the rainbow, then gradually gathering at that point you'll see an almost viscous liquid such as milk. This liquid must be scraped from the bottom of the glass to another glass (remove while still a little ‘wet’ to avoid breaking the vase).

    If you digest this over low heat, it is consolidated into a reddish powder of surprising finesse, and if this liquid is reduced to a powder, it can easily pierce/penetrate gold. Illustrious men who have experienced this medicine, particularly claim that it cures fevers and ulcers of the lungs in a period of seven days, but regarding the capabilities of this celestial balm, perhaps there are many other benefits in various fields. It is effective for fever if for three mornings and evenings three grains of this powder are administered to the patient in half an ounce of white wine. For ulcers of the lungs, during a period of seven days evening and morning, take four grains in water nettle.

    A noble man has been practicing a different process for a long time. At the mouth of a round vessel of a certain capacity, with flour (mixed with water) or paste for bread, attach a magnifying glass of such a form which makes the union so that the focused sunlight does not reach the bottom of the jar, but converges in the center of the vase, then exposed to the sun according to the appropriate steps that have been already discussed. Close to the bottom of the pot, a flame is administered so that the bottom of the pot remains warm. Doing so in the space of five or six hours, he manages to gather a substantial amount of that substance.

    The difference is that at the bottom of the jar, instead of the bottom mirror plating, there is a small fire under the bottom of the vessel. The apparatus is the same.

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    Sounds like the point of it not touching the bottom is so it won't over heat and bust; likewise the external heating keeps it all relatively close so it still won't break. (Like gradually heating a flask rather than instantly roasting it and thermal shocking it)

    The bread-paste may just be a sort of vehicle for this substance to accumulate in; one can't help but wonder what would happen if a better suited "magnet" or "vehicle" were prepared and ready to receive that occult force riding those waves.




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    (Thanks Kiorionis, tis one of my favorite quotes from the book. )
    One fatal tree there stands of knowledge called, forbidden them to taste. Knowledge forbidden? Suspicious. Reasonless. And why should their Lord envy them that? Can it be sin to know? Can it be death? And do they stand by ignorance, is that their happy state, the proof of their obedience and their faith?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth-Ra View Post
    The bread-paste may just be a sort of vehicle for this substance to accumulate in
    From the text, it sounds to me that the paste is merely used as a means to secure the lens to the mouth of the vessel.

    En la boca de un recipiente redondo de una cierta capacidad, con harina (mezclado con agua) o pasta para pan, conectó una lupa [...]
    At the mouth of a round vessel of a certain capacity, with flour (mixed with water) or paste for bread, attach a magnifying glass [...]

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