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    According to the Sethian texts, Seth's bloodline is the only pure bloodline descended from the true non tainted spirit race (because the Archons impregnated eve before Seth). There are physical seeds as well as spiritual seeds that are attached to those..If you are not a light spirit that is currently incarnated in human form, then it is likely you have a "tainted" spirit that must be 'baptized" which has nothing to do with real water, rather the baptism is by fire. The destruction of the previous state the soul was in, is necessary for "Christ" to repair the soul to its true state. So even spirits that are not of the same origin can be converted into such a soul during one or more lifetimes. Yesseus is Jesus, also known as Ichthus, the living water/fish. Mazareus I believe comes from Nazōraios which is Nazarene in Greek. Many of the Gnostic texts were written in Greek as well as Egyptian Coptic, and sometimes combined the two in the same text.

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    So I gather that according to this particular lineage, there is the possibility of 'vertical mobility' between the so-called 'races'? (either by 'initiation' or 'baptism' or any other 'system upgrade' methods...)

    Also, does it have anything to do with physical races? ('black', 'white', etc...)
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    I asked about 'Mazareus' because in the context of 'Nazareth/Nazarene', I would have expected N instead of M...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    So I gather that according to this particular lineage, there is the possibility of 'vertical mobility' between the so-called 'races'? (either by 'initiation' or 'baptism' or any other 'system upgrade' methods...)

    Also, does it have anything to do with physical races? ('black', 'white', etc...)
    Yes, it wasn't like, say, the Hindu Caste System.
    Christian Gnosticism was for sure initiatic... so they are more like three levels of understanding (of Episteme) rather than biological races.
    Have in mind that Sethianism began as a non-Christian Gnostic system (actually more related to the Jewish religion), it became "Christianized" later and some Sethians began to adopt Valentinean views (i.e, they became Valentinean Gnostics)... BUT Valentinean Gnosticism, in return, influenced a lot the Sethian Gnostics who were NOT Valentinean.

    This page has a short chronology that is fairly good: http://jdt.unl.edu/lithist.html

    The idea of the three races was central to the Sethian System... BUT they are not exactly biological races. It was however, somehow implicit that if you had attained the third grade, then you were a descendant of Seth since your biological birth... but no text suggests that there was a "racist" theory behind the idea.

    Another version of this same thing is the division between the:
    Sons of the Earth.
    Sons of Man:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_man
    Sons of God: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God

    Some PREVIOUS traditions that certainly influenced Sethian Gnosticism had indeed a quite "racist" view (using the word in its modern definition)... Specially the Yezzidi and Parsi Religions. Mandaeism was similar to them in that sense (and contemporary to Sethianism, but quite unrelated since the Messiah was John the Baptist and Jesus was a "fake" messiah).

    The three categories are VERY related to the parable of the Salt and the Light in the sermon of the mountain...

    The salt that has lost its flavour, the salt and the salt that receives the light. An alchemical interpretation is quite tempting, but I won't go that far!

    As for the question if Sethian Gnosticism was "racist", the answer is probably "yes"... HOWEVER it was not "racist" under modern definitions of the word (i.e, completely unrelated to biological races -i.e, black, white, etc)... but they believed that only the race of Seth could find its redemption (and the race of Cain and Abel couldn't), but they were initiatory grades rather than "biological races".

    I'm not a BIG BIG fan of Sethian Gnosis and I prefer the Valentinean version though (Sethianism was extremely dualistic, almost manichean... Valentinean Gnosticism somehow relativized this extreme dualism).

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    I would say it was not about physical races, rather it is about the spiritual seed within humans. There is a link between the physical and spiritual seed, sex is the bond between the two realms. Therefore the Gnostic texts state that those not descended purely from Seth (who was not the offspring of the Archons which introduced what Christ refers to as the "counterfeit spirit"), need redeeming by receiving the holy spirit, which purifies the tainted spirit back to its original state before the contamination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcherSage View Post
    I would say it was not about physical races, rather it is about the spiritual seed within humans. There is a link between the physical and spiritual seed, sex is the bond between the two realms. Therefore the Gnostic texts state that those not descended purely from Seth (who was not the offspring of the Archons which introduced what Christ refers to as the "counterfeit spirit"), need redeeming by receiving the holy spirit, which purifies the tainted spirit back to its original state before the contamination.
    Yeah... which is why the parable of the salt and the light (in the Sermon of the Mount) becomes quite similar to this idea.
    (and maybe it's the part of the Bible which is more open to very direct and explicit alchemical interpretations).

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    Its both! Alchemy exists in more than one way. Anything can be transmuted/transformed/improved.

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    Exclamation The breakdown:

    Highest light world consisting of three levels of initiation (Celestial Kingdom)
    High light world (Terrestrial Kingdom)
    Lower light world (Telestial Kingdom)
    The Midst
    The Viel
    The thirteenth aeon
    The twelveth aeon
    The eleventh aeon ......
    The first aeon

    Earth

    Spirit world
    The chaos
    Sheol
    Outer Darkness

    To enter the Telestial kingdom the only pre-requisite is to not fully give your soul to the devil, join the illuminati, take the mark of the beast, or shed innocent blood. The vast majority of humanity will end up here. The atheists, the judges, doctors, lawyers, politicians, priests, are in danger of not making it to this place at all. Basically if you have authority over other men, make sure you don't abuse your power. Power abusers don't get to chill in the Kingdoms of Heaven.

    Going up - level 2: men's ware and the terrestrial kingdom.
    The terrestrial kingdom is a lovely place to be, and also is another highlight of the importance and power of Christ. The people who are in the terrestrial kingdom have lived quite honourable lives, we're believers in Christ, and all in all, tried putting some effort into helping others. Unfortunately though, this tier was still deceived by "the craftiness of men" and did not attain to their full perfection.

    Penthouse suite: Celestial Kingdom.
    Broken up into three levels, of which the highest of these levels are the 'elect of God' Given rulership over the universe, these people are those who gave a full devotion to God, killed the natural man (baptism) purged (40 days in desert) were endowed (received power from on high to help fight the spiritual war) and it is also a requirement to be happily married (or have had a happy marriage) in order to enter the higher realms (which I am forbidden to really talk about) *cough* completely f'ing limitless *cough*

    and a man shall be joined to his wife, and they shall be one flesh
    This is a physical transformation and union between the happily married (and worthy) couple. It is what brings you into the family of Elohim. All of the Elohim are united male/female forces.

    This "race" situation is pretty groovy actually. It is both a blood line thing and an initiation thing also. Through baptism we are adopted into the 'light race' although, there are in my opinion still greater places to be.

    This basic rundown of the structure of the heavens is validated in many texts, most especially Pistis Sophia, and in great and epic detail 'Doctrine and Covenants' (it's a Mormon text)

    For all Serious Christians reading, let me distinguish the difference between the people who believed in Christ, and yet only attained to the Terrestrial Kingdom and those who enter the Celestial Kingdom and the bridal chamber...

    Those who only enter into the Terrestrial Kingdom are those that, while having a sense of belief, and a desire to do good to others, we're still deceived by the devil, lived very worldy lives, having sex outside of marriage, maintaining the 9 - 5 and submitting to the ever changing and de-volving perspective of the world. These people did not find the true meaning of baptism, did not kill the natural man (that which is sensual and lusting ((read the first book in corpus hermetically)) and did not take upon them the name of Christ and his priesthood AKA was not baptised into THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST and relieve of "The Holy Order after The Order of The Son of God" or in other words, the Melchezedik Priesthood, the true authority from God to perform the salvation ordinances such as baptism and sacrament ect...

    I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one gets to the Father except through me.
    Paul new testiment :
    I knew a man who was caught up the the third Heaven. There are bodies celestial and there are bodies terrestrial and there are body's like the stars (Telestial)
    The reason that 98% of modern Christianity has been converted into complete BS is because they do not look into the alchemical symbology, the hidden symbolic meanings behind their ordanances, such as the dipping into water is suppose to represent the actual physical process of rejecting all food products and goin out into the wilderness to be apart from the world, so that the naturalism is slowly starved to death, and is replaced by the spiritual man. This only occurs during HEAVY fasting periods, of which the majority of Christians are far too busy stuffing themselves with pork that they couldn't possibly see the sense in starving ones self, at least for more than perhaps a day, which is sad, since it is such a foundational pillar in what is actually the greatest practise in the world, that of worshipping God and His Son, who has saved us from Hell and who has opened the 'way' so that we may then be with Him, drinking the wine of Heaven, celebrating the union of God and Man.

    God:
    My work and my glory is this; to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.
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    We must find our Syzygy while on this plane, only they can enter the bridal chamber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcherSage View Post
    Syzygy
    I've heard only a few interpretations of this word/concept. Would you mind sharing your own?
    Art is Nature in the flask; Nature is a vial thing.

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    Yeah I've never heard of this term; however if it has anything to do with the chamber of secrets then I wanna know
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