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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    The point I'm trying to make, and seemingly failing, is that there's all this energy and resistance coming my way with lots of emotion telling me I'm wrong.
    I can't speak for everyone, but at least 75 % of the participants in this forum "debate". Very seldom does someone say X and then everyone chime in "yes". Through discussion I've changed my mind on more than one occasion, or advanced whatever I already consider "correct-ish". If you want to avoid challenge to your ideas get a blog (without a comment section).

    I personally love it if I post something and lots of people start debating it... that is why I post it in the first place, to "cook it".

    Also no one is going to read a very long pdf due to a link and a claim. Summarise it. Explain. Provide pdf as a "source". Just a friendly marketing tip.

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    Seems like you feel like your belief systems under attack...
    I don't think so. JDP is a literal-alchemy kind of guy. You just going to have to live with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    I never said anything's impossible, you said that. I said there's 7 different meanings to every one.

    Everything I've said has been disregarded here, yet you claim you've created gold without a particle accelerator.
    I'd say, make lots and go sell it and buy a house in the virgin islands.
    Use it to turn a ton of mercury into gold, then reinvest it in mining stocks.
    You'll take over the worlds supply in 2-3 years and will LITERALLY rule the world.

    Remember me when you get to the top: that random guy on an internet forum that sort of doubted you.



    The point I'm trying to make, and seemingly failing, is that there's all this energy and resistance coming my way with lots of emotion telling me I'm wrong.
    Just seems unnecessary.
    Seems like you feel like your belief systems under attack, and you want to prove me wrong to secure your own self.

    If I'm wrong, by all means: give me a step by step guide to how you made spectrum analized gold from mercury and I'll send you my wife (trust me, you'll send her back)

    Until them I'm saying it's the oil created in the cerebrum, channeled through aries (the fatty calf, the prodigal son/SUN), the zodiac, down to the grass (the animal self) then raised up from the liver to the heart, to shine in all directions (make its way back to the head), this oil then lubricates the mind, turns your brain from using the 10% it does now to the near 100% it can do.
    That's my opinion. If it offends, I'm sorry.
    But you did clearly imply it was "impossible" short of having access to modern machines like particle accelerators. Your own words:


    "It's not possible to turn one element into another (technically it is, but we can only turn hydrogen into another element with massive hadron colliders, imagine the complexity of turning lead into gold.."


    Regarding becoming rich through artificial silver and gold: if it was only that easy! The "particular" or "chymical" (notice: NOT "alchemical") processes that I have discovered (or rather rediscovered, since I have gained useful information in the right directions from the writings of "chymists" like Becher, Kunckel, Kellner, the anonymous author of "Alchymia Denudata", Juncker, Creiling, etc. but most of them have placed this useful information amid a TON of false processes and deliberate lies that you need to sift through to get at the true empirical facts) so far only produce small amounts of silver or gold, not even enough to defray the cost of producing them, let alone give you a profit. The only thing they are good for is to prove that transmutation is indeed very much real. That does not mean that there aren't any of such processes that are profitable, just that they are almost as difficult to discover as the Philosophers' Stone itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    P.S knowing everything you know about Alchemy, Check out the Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone

    It's an amazing alchemical work
    Just as the Bible is, just as the Quran is
    When you begin to quote Harry Potter as a sacred alchemical text, it's time to sit for a while and think: "What the hell am I thinking about?".

    If not, we'll end up having "50 shades of Grey" and Tantra threads or comments about "eat, pray, love" and Shamanism...and a Sidney Sheldon sub-section of the forum.

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    For me Alchemy is the art of transforming or transmuting something from a non useful state, to a useful one. It does not necessarily have to transform one form of matter into another. I do however believe it is possible to transmute physical substances, I just tend to focus my energy on other things. Why cant all forms of alchemy be useful? It doesn't matter if its possible or not, its the journey down the road of transformation that makes it worth while. Also for Harry Potter, isn't Dumbledore supposed to be Hermes? Even though the little girl has a feminine version of Hermes? If so he is a lousy Hermes :[
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcherSage View Post
    For me Alchemy is the art of transforming or transmuting something from a non useful state, to a useful one. It does not necessarily have to transform one form of matter into another. I do however believe it is possible to transmute physical substances, I just tend to focus my energy on other things. Why cant all forms of alchemy be useful? It doesn't matter if its possible or not, its the journey down the road of transformation that makes it worth while. Also for Harry Potter, isn't Dumbledore supposed to be Hermes? Even though the little girl has a feminine version of Hermes? If so he is a lousy Hermes :[
    The thing is that there are not "many forms of alchemy" but one and only one: viz. making the Stone/Elixir. Everything else are just misinterpretations of the subject and NOT alchemy.

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    Again I remind you that something does not need to be called "alchemy" to be regarding as an expression of transmutation. Alchemy is not new, and has existed for thousands of years. Not just the physical form, but all forms. The true alchemist must work with all the elements including ether, the non physical substance which is the true gem of alchemy. Regardless of which "type" you practice, you must dabble with spiritual substance or the work is in vein. By the way I have a question, how do you know that the alchemists were referring to a literal stone? Why do so many texts describe it in different ways? Indeed even the great alchemists themselves disagreed on what the stone actually was, and the origin of the craft. And please tell me how we all misinterpret the meanings, I take it only you have the true meaning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDP View Post
    The thing is that there are not "many forms of alchemy" but one and only one: viz. making the Stone/Elixir. Everything else are just misinterpretations of the subject and NOT alchemy.
    We are all here (maybe there are exceptions) more familiar with European alchemy (and sometimes a bit of Islamic/Arabic)... but have in mind that Chinese Alchemy valued more the "health benefits" than making gold... and that the "inner alchemy" was certainly as important as the external one.

    The Islamic tradition shows an equal interest in metallic transmutations and creating medicines (which were often not an "Universal Elixir", but medicines for a specific disease).

    I would say that the idea that there are not "many forms" of alchemy is false... of course, such thing doesn't lead to the opposite opinion in which probably anything is "alchemy"...

    But if we get really classical, then there are many forms of alchemy and some of them are completely unrelated to the transmutation of metals.
    (And you are a true scholar when it comes to the history of alchemy, maybe the best one in the forum, so I would be surprised if you deny these facts).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoas23 View Post
    We are all here (maybe there are exceptions) more familiar with European alchemy (and sometimes a bit of Islamic/Arabic)... but have in mind that Chinese Alchemy valued more the "health benefits" than making gold... and that the "inner alchemy" was certainly as important as the external one.

    The Islamic tradition shows an equal interest in metallic transmutations and creating medicines (which were often not an "Universal Elixir", but medicines for a specific disease).

    I would say that the idea that there are not "many forms" of alchemy is false... of course, such thing doesn't lead to the opposite opinion in which probably anything is "alchemy"...

    But if we get really classical, then there are many forms of alchemy and some of them are completely unrelated to the transmutation of metals.
    (And you are a true scholar when it comes to the history of alchemy, maybe the best one in the forum, so I would be surprised if you deny these facts).
    I don't deny the medicinal/longevity aspect, as that is testified in the old literature as well, particularly the Chinese one (as you point out), but there never was any such thing as an "inner" or "spiritual" alchemy, not in the sense of the 19th-20th century reinterpretations of alchemy, including those of Jung and his followers. Alchemy always had those two very physical and tangible goals in mind: metallic transmutation & medicine/longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDP View Post
    I don't deny the medicinal/longevity aspect, as that is testified in the old literature as well, particularly the Chinese one (as you point out), but there never was any such thing as an "inner" or "spiritual" alchemy, not in the sense of the 19th-20th century reinterpretations of alchemy, including those of Jung and his followers. Alchemy always had those two very physical and tangible goals in mind: metallic transmutation & medicine/longevity.
    When it comes to China, the idea of an "inner alchemy" is not a "new age" thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan
    Of course, this is 100% unrelated to Jung (whom I find completely absurd).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoas23 View Post
    When it comes to China, the idea of an "inner alchemy" is not a "new age" thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan
    Of course, this is 100% unrelated to Jung (whom I find completely absurd).
    I am very skeptical of this whole idea of "Neidan". It sounds to me mostly like still relatively modern misinterpretations of alchemy. The fact that the "Kinship of the Three" text is being cited as the "foundation" of this supposed "internal alchemy" pretty much shows this. The author of that book plainly talks about operations with substances in order to obtain the "Elixir", he is not talking about "meditations". The whole "Neidan" concept seems to have been born out of the frustration of some people when they tried to prepare the Elixir and did not succeed, eventually causing them to try to achieve it by other means. Notice, by the way, that the goal of this "Neidan" misinterpretation of alchemy is still in fact the very physical and tangible goals of longevity and medicine. This has little to do with the Western "spiritual" and psychological misinterpretations of alchemy in the 19th-20th centuries.

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