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    Calcination surface

    I would like to know if the metal disk used for calcination in the post below:

    http://www.levity.com/alchemy/steve_kalec.html

    is of the same material as the cooking saucepans and the like. I am planning to use a saucepan from now on but i want to be sure its not gonna react with the metal.

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    You should at least use a 304 Stainless Steel (most common cooking pot) preferably a 310 SS, and ideally a 316 SS product, 316 having greater oxidation resistance at high temperatures (marine steel)

    Steve K does not discribe his calcination bowl.
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    Why would you consider using [any kind of] metal in your Alchemy experiments?

    I suggest using no metal surfaces or vessels at all. Use glass instead.

    Why do you want to use metal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post
    I suggest using no metal surfaces or vessels at all. Use glass instead.

    Why do you want to use metal?
    Steve Kalec uses what looks like a metallic pan for his calcination.



    This may work just fine for SPAGYRICAL calcination.

    But ALCHEMICAL calcination is a different thing... It doesn't involve such fire, for starters.

    Alchemical calcination is mostly effected by a body's own Radical Humidity OR by the Universal Humid Radical (either artfully isolated or via Sun & Moon exposure, IF the Sun & Moon are more or less equal in potency in your area - if, for example, the Sun is MUCH stronger, then dryness will be have the upper hand and the right 'Pondus' will not be achieved). Also see THIS.

    Continuous cycles of Wetting & Drying, in more 'simple' terms...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    This may work just fine for SPAGYRICAL calcination.

    But ALCHEMICAL calcination is a different thing... It doesn't involve such fire, for starters.
    Thanks, I am familiar with the images.

    This being posted in "Practical Alchemy" led me to believe Amon was asking about using metal in an Alchemical preparation. If so, I highly recommend against using any kind of metal vessel in your experiments. Glass is better, and with today's technology Pyrex is not very costly as it was hundreds of years ago.

    Are you working with herbs, Amon, or are you attempting to complete the Great Work (Magnum Opus)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post
    This being posted in "Practical Alchemy" led me to believe Amon was asking about using metal in an Alchemical preparation.
    It was posted under 'Equipment' (which applies to all practical lab approaches) - but because of Amon's mention of Steve Kalec's method, I think it's safe to assume that Spagyrical calcination is the case here... at least as the first step...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post
    Thanks, I am familiar with the images.

    This being posted in "Practical Alchemy" led me to believe Amon was asking about using metal in an Alchemical preparation. If so, I highly recommend against using any kind of metal vessel in your experiments. Glass is better, and with today's technology Pyrex is not very costly as it was hundreds of years ago.

    Are you working with herbs, Amon, or are you attempting to complete the Great Work (Magnum Opus)?
    I am currently attempting to make a rosemary elixir (i have made a relevant post under the spagyrics section) and i was using a silicone cup for calcinations until another member pointed out that a silicon cup is not the best option to go with and suggested a fireproof porcelain dish. I got one from the supermarket and exposed it to an open gas flame but it exploded after a few minutes. All i currently have left to try are a pyrex boiling flask and common cooking saucepans. I am not confident that the boiling flask will resist an open naked flame.

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    Yeah I've had a lot of Pyrex dish explosions, while theoretically the best option; common practise would sometime disagree as glass being ideal, particularly for the amateur Tincturman (just made that word up and totally 'coining' it), because after potentially weeks of patient excitement, all can be lost in a moment when your Pyrex decides to not behave nearly as well as you would have grown to expect Pyrex to behave. I've had a drop of sweat fall on the dish and shatter 6 weeks work into oblivion.

    Go hard son with the pot if it's all you've got. It's not 'The Stone'. Metal will be fine for your rosemary elixir and she will cute most any flu if done well.

    Good luck.

    If I were you, I'd try and push it all the way that Steve Kalec has, has the volatized salts are of the greatest forms of herbal medicine....

    Rosemary oil can be purchased reasonably cheap online, and if sourced from a trusted manufactured, will be every bit as 'philosophical' as you will need.

    IMO it's mainly the mercury and salts that need to be prepared personally. IMO.

    (Because these oils are made the same way anyway, hydro-distillation)

    I'm jealous, I want to be making elixirs but the house is undergoing serious renovations and the lab is almost out of action except that I just started my first rough trial run of 'the magnum sweet sweet' ... You know what I mean
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amon View Post
    I am currently attempting to make a rosemary elixir (i have made a relevant post under the spagyrics section) and i was using a silicone cup for calcinations until another member pointed out that a silicon cup is not the best option to go with and suggested a fireproof porcelain dish. I got one from the supermarket and exposed it to an open gas flame but it exploded after a few minutes. All i currently have left to try are a pyrex boiling flask and common cooking saucepans. I am not confident that the boiling flask will resist an open naked flame.
    For what you are trying to do (i.e. calcining plants in the open air) iron or steel dishes work just fine, you don't need anything more fanciful. Metal dishes have the advantage that they will resist thermal shock without any problem, so you can just place them from being at room-temperature to being on top of a wood, charcoal or gas fire without any problem. But if you want to calcine more corrosive materials that will affect metals, like salts, or making some metal oxides that attack metals, for example, then you will need refractory clay dishes, and you should only gradually increase the temperature when using them, do not expose them from room-temperature directly to an open flame or what happened to your "fireproof porcelain dish" might happen again. Ceramics need to be heated gradually, slowly, not given huge sudden thermal shocks. Even the best refractory materials can fail if you give them such a harsh change of temperature all of a sudden. This is even more so the larger the ceramic pieces are. If you don't have a furnace/kiln to carry out the calcinations in, you need to first heat the ceramic dishes at milder temperatures, like those of an electric heating plate. By slowly increasing the temperature you will get them hot enough to be moved on top of a YELLOW flame of a gas burner with less danger of the ceramic material developing cracks or shattering. Then you can start to slowly increase the temperature of the gas flame to BLUE in order to get the ceramic red hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elixirmixer View Post
    Yeah I've had a lot of Pyrex dish explosions, while theoretically the best option; common practise would sometime disagree as glass being ideal, particularly for the amateur Tincturman (just made that word up and totally 'coining' it), because after potentially weeks of patient excitement, all can be lost in a moment when your Pyrex decides to not behave nearly as well as you would have grown to expect Pyrex to behave. I've had a drop of sweat fall on the dish and shatter 6 weeks work into oblivion.

    Go hard son with the pot if it's all you've got. It's not 'The Stone'. Metal will be fine for your rosemary elixir and she will cute most any flu if done well.

    Good luck.

    If I were you, I'd try and push it all the way that Steve Kalec has, has the volatized salts are of the greatest forms of herbal medicine....

    Rosemary oil can be purchased reasonably cheap online, and if sourced from a trusted manufactured, will be every bit as 'philosophical' as you will need.

    IMO it's mainly the mercury and salts that need to be prepared personally. IMO.

    (Because these oils are made the same way anyway, hydro-distillation)

    I'm jealous, I want to be making elixirs but the house is undergoing serious renovations and the lab is almost out of action except that I just started my first rough trial run of 'the magnum sweet sweet' ... You know what I mean
    I am planning on extracting the Sulphur together with the Mercury. I am gonna use the Spirit (Mercury) of Dionysus to draw off the Sulphur, only problem is the God of the communists has deemed such an act as "sinful" and therefore "severely" punished which makes the acquisition of said Spirit a rough task that i will have to improvise to pull off.

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