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    Early Greek/Arabic Alchemical Authors & Texts

    Some day, people will finally realize that the most fundamental truth to alchemy can be found in the early Arabic texts (which basically followed the oldest Greek texts). Everything since then has become distorted and far from the traditional paths. My opinion (based on knowledge) of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    Some day, people will finally realize that the most fundamental truth to alchemy can be found in the early Arabic texts (which basically followed the oldest Greek texts). Everything since then has become distorted and far from the traditional paths. My opinion (based on knowledge) of course!
    Are there any such texts that you could/would recommend to the members/readers of this forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    Are there any such texts that you could/would recommend to the members/readers of this forum?
    Yes - all the early Arabic texts (e.g. Jabir ibn Hayyan, Abu Bakr al-Razi, Al-Jildaki, Abu al-Qarim al-Iraqi, Muhammad ibn Umail).
    Last edited by Illen A. Cluf; 01-14-2017 at 12:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    The early Arabic texts (which basically followed the oldest Greek texts).
    Thanks.

    Do you have any knowledge of such (alchemical) 'oldest Greek texts' that may have survived to this day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    Thanks.

    Do you have any knowledge of such (alchemical) 'oldest Greek texts' that may have survived to this day?
    Platon's Timeaus, Aristotle's meteorologica, Zosimus corpus and some others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellin Hermetist View Post
    Platon's Timeaus, Aristotle's meteorologica, Zosimus corpus and some others.
    The first two are not exactly "alchemical", but they did have an influence on the subject, specially Aristotle's "Meteorologica".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    Thanks.

    Do you have any knowledge of such (alchemical) 'oldest Greek texts' that may have survived to this day?
    There are numerous Alchemical Arabic texts, many still in the British and Turkish Libraries, many still untranslated. Theodor Abt has translated several (a half dozen or so) of these into a series of books under the name "Corpus Alchemicum Arabicum". He also wrote separate books, such as "The Book of Pictures Mushaf as-suwar by Zosimos of Panopolis". You can find several of Jabir's (Geber or Jabbir Ibn-Hayyan) translations online, the best of which is "Summa Perfectionis Magisterii" ("The Height of the Perfection of Mastery"). There is also a book entitled "Three Arabic Treatises on Alchemy, Muhammad Bin Umail and M. Turab Ali", by Kessinger Publishing. There are several other sources, some in private collections, privately translated and funded at significant cost.

    E.J. Holmyard also translated some of the Arabic alchemical works.

    For Theodor Abt's books, see:

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...=3FU6Q3M8ZG5T4

    Here's a little more on Islamic Alchemy and some of the Arab alchemists:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchem...medieval_Islam

    http://www.levity.com/alchemy/islam.html

    Also:

    http://www.levity.com/alchemy/islam01.html

    And:

    https://explorable.com/islamic-alchemy

    And:

    http://islam.wikia.com/wiki/Alchemy_...medieval_Islam

    And:

    https://www.chemheritage.org/distill...zine/al-kimiya

    Here''s some information on Islamic alchemical treatises stored at the National Library of Medicine in Maryland:

    https://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/arabic/alchemy1.html

    Here's a free translation of a Zosimos text in an Arabic Alchemy Book:

    http://www.washacadsci.org/Journal/J...S.ElKhadem.pdf

    Here's a free copy of: "Understanding the Language of Alchemy: The Medieval Arabic Alchemical Lexicon":

    http://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/view...ljsproceedings

    For a free PDF of Geber's entire works (copy of 1686 translation):

    https://archive.org/details/WorksOfGeber

    Hope that's enough for a start :-)
    Last edited by Illen A. Cluf; 01-14-2017 at 04:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    Thanks.

    Do you have any knowledge of such (alchemical) 'oldest Greek texts' that may have survived to this day?
    The oldest surviving alchemical texts in Greek seem to be the two "books" on silver and gold attributed to Democritus. These are tricky texts because even at this very early stage in the literature they are already plagued by patently phony processes (if taken wholly literally) and a barrage of "decknamen", not always easy to identify their real meaning. As a result, we find early Alexandrian alchemists already commenting on what "Democritus" actually meant by this or that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDP View Post
    The oldest surviving alchemical texts in Greek seem to be the two "books" on silver and gold attributed to Democritus. These are tricky texts because even at this very early stage in the literature they are already plagued by patently phony processes (if taken wholly literally) and a barrage of "decknamen", not always easy to identify their real meaning. As a result, we find early Alexandrian alchemists already commenting on what "Democritus" actually meant by this or that.
    Here is a transcription of the translated treatise by Democritus:

    http://www.levity.com/alchemy/steele_democritus.html

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