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    @Dev,

    It is not that I treat insects with disdain, far from it. But, the difference between the souls of insects and man is insane and any comparison appears foolish.
    Also, such comparison shows that giver and the receiver both have low self-respect or the giver is a con artist.

    Secondly, if you desire to know more about true babas who unfortunately were fooled by misinterpreting our ancient writings, you can refer this:
    https://hidf1.files.wordpress.com/20...ny-k-n-rao.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aham View Post
    Not that I know Neem Karoli Baba from personal experience but sometimes context is important when quotes are used. I thought the following YouTube video was quite telling and moving (if true).

    Tha maharaj clown was claiminng himself to be the savior. Fucking clown.
    http://www.prem-rawat-bio.org/teachings/saviour.html

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    The only fact regarding opinion is that they are never facts.

    Donít let the delusion of reality confuse you regarding the reality of the illusion.

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    Alanis Morissette Ė Baba

    Baba - Live Version

    "Baba" - Lyrics

    I've seen them kneel
    With baited breath for the ritual
    I've watched this experience raise
    Them to pseudo higher levels
    I've watched them leave their families
    In pursuit of your nirvana
    I've seen them coming to line up from Switzerland and America


    How long will this take baba
    How long have we been sleeping
    Do you see me hanging on to every word you say
    How soon will I be holy
    How much will this cost guru
    How much longer 'til you completely absolve me


    I've seen them give their drugs up
    In place of makeshift altars
    I've heard them chanting
    Kali kali frantically
    I've heard them rotely repeat your
    Teaching with elitism
    I've seen them boasting robes and
    Foreign sandalwood beads


    How long will this take baba
    How long have we been sleeping
    Do you see me hanging on to every word you say
    How soon will I be holy
    How much will this cost guru
    How much longer 'til you completely absolve me


    I've seen them overlooking god in
    Their own essence

    I've seen their upward glances
    In hopes of instant salvation
    I've seen their righteousness
    Mixed without loving compassion
    I've watched you smile as
    The students bow to kiss your feet


    How long will this take baba
    How long have we been sleeping
    Do you see me hanging on to every word you say
    How soon will I be holy
    How much will this cost guru
    How much longer 'til you completely absolve me


    Give me strength all knowing one
    How long 'till enlightenment
    How much longer 'til you
    Completely absolve me


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    Last edited by Andro; 04-22-2017 at 05:47 PM.

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    From a person who writes an advice column. LOL.

    Good gurus help the student do just that which you placed in italics.

    Donít let the delusion of reality confuse you regarding the reality of the illusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dev View Post
    From a person who writes an advice column. LOL.
    So? What's that got to do with anything? Everything can be fallaciously dismissed by saying "that's from a person who xxx"... Irrelevant.

    Allan Watts was an alcoholic. Doesn't mean completely discarding everything he said.

    In both your "line of work"* and in mine (although they are very different), it can be said that we "profit" when other people undergo some sort of suffering.

    Should what you or I have to say be dismissed or ridiculed just based on that?

    *line of work = what pays the bills


    Quote Originally Posted by dev View Post
    Good gurus help the student do just that which you placed in italics.
    No.

    What I placed in italics is: I've seen them overlooking god in their own essence.

    "Good gurus" help the student to do just the OPPOSITE of what I placed in italics (i.e. NOT overlook/fail to notice/miss god in their own essence).

    Definition of "overlook":

    Fail to notice (something).

    "he seems to have overlooked one important fact"

    Synonyms: fail to notice, fail to spot, miss - i.e. "he overlooked the mistake"
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    Our Teachers Are Neither Perfect Nor Infallible.

    Let us beware of those who claim to be.


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    Last edited by Andro; 04-22-2017 at 06:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    Such dime-a-dozen superficial platitudes are still going strong to this day, with many disenchanted/disillusioned Westerners...

    ...not to mention a rather lucrative business model. Not that there's anything wrong with it. Supply & demand...

    Now loan me some money, and I'll worship it like god in the bank temple... so don't expect to get it back...

    Yeah, with ever diminishing purchasing power and negative interest rates. Godly QE. This part actually DOES make sense



    Apparently, those "non-physical" gurus require quite a lot of very physical ashrams... and fancy cars too, at least in the case of Osho, who complained about having only 93 Rolls-Royce's, instead of 365 (one for each day of the year).

    The movie Love Guru is very "enlightening"... (watch it online HERE) and the movie Kumarť is a must see! (watch it HERE on YouTube)



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    Religion is a waste of precious time. I wrote this long ago about religionism BS:

    Circus Church

    In a vacant lot you will find
    Circus Church
    Hopeful faces; show inside.
    Reverendís amok
    Heís all fired up
    The rapture is there
    Itís television religion!
    Millions drop dollars of faith
    Saving grace.
    Profits of prayer...
    Preformed miracles
    Video evangelists
    Apocalypse pre-recorded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    So? What's that got to do with anything? Everything can be fallaciously dismissed by saying "that's from a person who xxx"... Irrelevant.
    Exactly. That was my point. That is how you spoke about this and that guru. So I turned the tables and did the same to you... and now you thought it was irrelevant. Exactly. It is irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    Should what you or I have to say be dismissed or ridiculed just based on that?
    No, not according to me. But that is what can be understood from what you said about gurus and business. Same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    "Good gurus" help the student to do just the OPPOSITE of what I placed in italics (i.e. NOT overlook/fail to notice/miss god in their own essence).
    That's what I meant.

    Quote Originally Posted by z0 K View Post
    Religion is a waste of precious time.
    Religion is a word. Don't confuse religion with religion. Nor follower with follower.

    Donít let the delusion of reality confuse you regarding the reality of the illusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dev View Post
    Religion is a word. Don't confuse religion with religion. Nor follower with follower.

    Personally wouldn't mind an elaboration of this concept.
    Art is Nature in the flask; Nature is a vial thing.

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    An Astounding Mystic

    Selflessness is one of the prominent signs of a spiritual man. If this quality is missing in the character of one who is supposed to be spiritual, he is not really a spiritual person. There was a well-known master, Neem Karoli Baba, who befriended me when I was still quite young. He lived in Nanital, one of the hill resorts in the Himalayas. He was a man who lived “half here and half there.” When someone came to him he would say, “Okay, now I have seen you, you have seen me, ja, ja, ja, ja . . . ” which means, “go, go, go, go . . .” That was his habit.

    Once we were sitting and talking when one of the richest men in India came to see him with quite a big bundle of Indian currency. The man said, “Sir, I have brought this for you.” Baba spread the notes out and sat on them. He said, “They are not very comfortable as a cushion, and I don’t have a fireplace, so I cannot burn them for heat. They are of no use to me; what shall I do with them?” The man said, “Sir, it’s money!” Baba returned the money and asked him to get some fruit with it. The rich man said, “Sir, there is no market here.” “Then how can you say it is money?” asked Baba. “If it doesn’t buy fruit it isn’t money for me.” Then Baba asked him, “What do you want from me?” The man said, “I have a headache.” Baba replied, “That you have created for yourself. What can I do for you?” He protested, “Sir, I have come for your help.” Baba relented. “All right: henceforth there will be no headache—but from now on you’ll be a headache to other people. You will be so miserably rich that you will be a headache to the whole of your community.” And he is indeed a headache to his whole community, even today. Neem Karoli Baba loved Lord Rama, an incarnation of God, and was always muttering a mantra which no one understood. This sage was adored by many people in northern India. People did not give him rest. They traveled with him from one mountain and village to another. He was very mysterious in his ways.

    I had many more delightful and funny experiences with Neem Karoli Baba which you wouldn’t believe, but a few Americans who have met him will understand what I am talking about. If someone came to see him he would say, “You were talking against me with such and such a person under such and such a tree.”He would give the exact date and time of day. Then he would say, “Now you have seen me, go, go, go.”Then he would cover himself with a blanket.One day a pharmacist was delivering some powder from Talital to Malital. He was a devotee of Neem Karoli Baba, so he stopped to see him on the way. I was also there. Baba said, “I’m hungry. What is that you are carrying?” The pharmacist said, “This is arsenic. Wait and I will bring some food for you.” But Baba snatched the powder from him and ate a handful. Then he asked for a glass of water. The pharmacist thought he would die from the poison, but the next day he was quite normal. He was not aware of the external.

    If you asked him, “Have you eaten your food?” he would answer “No” or “Yes,” but it would have no meaning. If your mind is somewhere else, you can eat many times a day and still remain famished. I saw this with him. Five minutes after eating he would say, “I am hungry,” because he didn’t know that he had already eaten. I would say, “You have taken your food.” And he would answer, “All right, then I am not hungry.” If I wouldn’t tell him, “You have now eaten,” he would not stop. One day I thought, “Let me see how many times he can eat.” That day he took forty meals at various houses. He was eating the whole day. We wanted to know about his powers, and he knew what we wanted. So when anyone brought food before him, he ate. They would ask, “Will you eat?” And he would say, “Okay.” He went on eating all day. Finally I came and said, “You have eaten enough.” He said, “Oh, have I?” I said, “Yes!” In such a high state one becomes like a child. He is not fully aware of mundane things, but he is constantly aware of the Truth. - from Swami Rama's book ' Living with the Himalayan Masters'
    Sounds like a cool guy to me.

    Last edited by Awani; 04-22-2017 at 08:26 PM.
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