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    Weidenfeld philosophy spiritus wines and philosophical menstruous homeric chain homeri etc
    And what are the true philosophical solvents of Weidenfeld, the creation of the true magnet, and the creation of true adrop gum green and true white philosophale salmiac etc.
    See Weidenfeld's prodromus book 5 on menstruis phil composed of different oils/(l'oleosum etc of Weidenfeld etc)etc different extracted secrets obtained and united by kingdoms as is also indicated in the golden chain homeri etc

    Hi every body

    So I think it's serious and interesting (to do it as always, it is always our own conscience to the original sources too little known) since it is being reasoned and trying to deepen and reveal
    The various aspects of the true philosophical solvents essential to the great alchemical work and that is indeed worth reading from Weidenfeld's secret texts to read to study and experiment the theoretical and operational bases of spiritus wines philosophici menstrui philosophali as well as the creation of the true magnet and Of the true green gum adrop etc

    And to seriously analyze them as a starting point, as these authentic passages for the acquisition of these philosophical subjects are directly and explicitly described by Weidenfeld in his prodromus to his secret book 5 of the secrets of adeptorum etc
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    And Weidenfeld's nb and the real operating methods (similar to those in the homeric gold chain) to obtain philosophic solvents made up of the secretion of oilseed extracts or naturally acidified and mortified oleosum etc (as Weidenfeld in his prodromus) c 'Is much more ... and all clearly and explicitly indicated in various manuscripts
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    But manuscripts that have not yet been made public, in fact exist (as we already said in another post) both of Weidenfeld's and Parisian Christophorus's pupils and other alchemists in the same sector van helmont etc etc, both internal and secret manuscripts (and these large Alchemists exist and are still practiced today as well) manuscripts that precisely because the interior has always been secret and practiced secretly in the real r traditional alchemical environments and these texts and manuscripts as they can be seen are very generous and extremely clear and explicit (nb But that if modern technology now looks for them now on the internet, now available to anyone) and these are manuscripts on which still today (in our present day) some traditional and true lineage groups and cenacles rc tutt Nowadays they work and practice doing these profound alchemical arcani phil with very interesting results You and very deep

    And extracting the philosophical wine from the true green grapes of the essays and obtaining the creation of the true magnet and the creation of the true adrop rubber and the true shiny white salmiac phil that are aspects of the true matter from which then phase by phase to pass the colors and elaborate The stone phil etc

    But what are these various achievements of specific achievements of the various alchemicals and how to do that and what is really and what the wise are really pointing to is another story we will also face in the future

    But in the meantime I would say that for the moment we can begin to analyze everything based on true traditional data that were internal and operational to the true alchemists And to that I think that the Latin prodromus of Weidenfeld's secret book 5 (and the relative extractions of translations and transcriptions of prodromus made by Latin all English) I think that can already be an important good starting point for serious and true analysis and true theoretical and operational deepening of the traditional arcades spiritus wines philosophical the cration of the gum adrop the true phil salmiac etc etc

    So let's talk directly about the Weidenfeld etc that was really (as read by everyone) open to the alchemical initiatory centers and cenacles of the sages that in their time still existed and that they learned the true arcani and the real compositions Operative spiritus philosophical wines, the creation of the true magnet ,The creation of the true gum adrop , and the true phil salmiac etc etc

    my best regard alfr

    links

    From-Weidenfeld-s-Prodromus-Libri-Secundi-1
    J. S. W. Prodromus libri secundi de Medicinis, vel potius dispositio libri

    here are some extracts very interesting of prodromus about the method for SVP used by Weidenfeld etc
    here cap 4 to cap 10 and and all they are translated in English all prodromus it is of 24 cap

    https://www.scribd.com/document/3416...ibri-Secundi-1

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    Johann Seger Weidenfeld
    J. S. W. Prodromus libri secundi de Medicinis, vel potius dispositio libri

    here all conplete book the Prodromus at the book 5 secretun adeptorum by Johann Seger Weidenfeld but it is in latin

    https://books.google.it/books?id=CIx...page&q&f=false


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    spiritus vini philosophici di Weidenfeld e philosofici menstrui catena aurea homeri etc
    e cosa sono secondo il Weidenfeld etc i veri solventi philosophali, la creazione del vero magnete, e creazione della vera gomma verde adrop e del vero salmiac bianco philosophale etc
    vedasi prodromus book 5 di Weidenfeld sui menstrui phil composti da differenti oli/(l'oleosum etc del Weidenfeld etc) etc differenti segreti estratti ottenuti e uniti dai regni come è indicato anche nella catena aurea homeri etc

    hi every body

    penso dunque che sia serio e interessante (rifarci come sempre è nostra consetudine sempre alle fonti originali anche molto poco conosciute ) visto che si sta ragionando e cercando di approfondire e svelare
    i vari aspetti dei veri segreti solventi filosofali indispensabili alla grande opera alchemica e a cio valga veramente la pena di leggere dai testi segreti del Weidenfeld etc di leggere studiare e sperimentare le basi teoriche e operative dello spiritus vini philosophici menstrui philosophali nonche la creazione del vero magnete e della vera gomma verde adrop etc

    e di seriamente dunque analizzarle come partenza come questi autentici pasaggi dell'otteninimento di queste materie philosophali sono direttamente ed esplicitamente descritti dal Weidenfeld nel suo prodromus al suo segreto libro 5 dei segreti adeptorum etc

    e nb del Weidenfeld e sui veri metodi operativi (similare a quelli nella catena aurea homeri ) per ottenere dei solventi philosofali composti con l'unione di segreti estratti oleosi o l' oleosum acidicificato e mortificato naturalmente etc (come dice il Weidenfeld nel suo prodromus ) c'è molto di piu... ed tutto chiaramente ed esplicitamente indicato in vari manoscritti

    ma manoscritti etc che ancora non sono stati resi pubblici infatti esistono (come gia dicemmo in altro post) sia del Weidenfeld che del discepolo di lullo cristoforo parigino e di altri alchimisti dello stesso settore van helmont etc etc manoscritti interni e segreti (e di questi grandi alchimisti esistono e sono tutt'ora praticati da cenacoli anche attualmente ) manoscritti che proprio perche interni sono sempre stati segreti e praticati segretamente nei veri r tradizionali ambienti alchemici e questi testi e manoscritti come ben si vedra sono molto generosi ed estremamente chiari ed espliciti (nb ma che se invece ora ben cercati la tecnologia moderna li mette ora in internet etc ora a disposizione di chiunque ) e questi sono manoscritti su cui tutt'ora oggi (nei nostri odierni tempi )alcuni gruppi e cenacoli di derivazione tradizionale e vero lignaggio rc tutt'ora oggi lavorano e praticano ben realizzando questi profondi alchemici arcani phil con risultati veramente molto interessanti e molto profondi

    es estraendo il vino filosofale dalle vere uve verdi dei saggi e ottenendone la creazione del vero magnete e la creazione della vera gomma adrop e il vero lucente bianchissimo phil salmiac che sono aspetti della vera materia da cui poi fase per fase farle passare i colori ed elaborare la pietra phil etc

    ma cosa siano questi vari risultati di specifici ottenimenti delle varie materie alchemiche e come fare cio e cosa è realmente e cosa a riguardo a cio realmente indicano i saggi è un 'altra storia che affronteremo anche in avanti

    ma intanto direi che per il momento possiamo per iniziare analizzare tutto cio basandoci su veri dati tradizionali che furono interni e operativi ai veri alchimisti e a cio penso che il prodromus latino del libro 5 segreto del Weidenfeld (e i relativi questi estratti di traduzioni e trascrizioni del prodromus fatte dal latino all'inglese) possa gia essere una importante buona base iniziale di seria e vera di analisi e vero approfondimento teorico e operativo sugli arcani tradizionali spiritus vini filosophici gomma adrop vero phil salmiac etc etc

    dunque a cio lasciando parlare direttamente il Weidenfeld etc che realmente era (come da lettura a tutti sara palese) in contatto con i centri e i cenacoli iniziatici alchemici dei saggi che nel suo tempo ancora sussistevano e che da loro apprese i veri arcani e le vere composizioni operative dei spiritus vini filosophici ,la creazione del vero magnete
    la creazione della gomma adrop , e il vero phil salmiac etc etc
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    The 5th Book of Weidenfeld does indeed decode much of his first 4 books.

    For researchers of the Philosophical Spirit of Wine, this book is invaluable.

    Alfr, does the Latin document you posted also contain the 5th book? It is extremely rare and difficult to locate/obtain.
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    Always a pleasure reading your posts, Alfr! (same as Al.br elsewhere?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfr
    But manuscripts That have not Been yet made public, in fact exist (as we Already said in another post) Both of Weidenfeld's and Parisian Christophorus's pupils and other alchemists in the same sector van Helmont etc etc, both internal and secret manuscripts (and These large alchemists exist and are still Practiced today as well) manuscripts That precisely Because the interior has Always Been secret and Practiced secretly in the real r These environments and traditional alchemical texts and manuscripts can be seen as they are very generous and extremely clear and explicit (nb That But if modern technology now looks for them now on the internet, now available to anyone) and These Are manuscripts on Which still today (in our present day) some traditional and true lineage groups and cenacles rc tutt Nowadays they work and practice doing These profound alchemical mysteries phil with very interesting results You and very deep and extracting the philosophical wine from the true green grapes of the essays and Obtaining the creation of the true magnet and the creation of the true adrop rubber and the true shiny white salmiac phil That are aspects of the true matter
    Can you speak more of this Magnet?

    I am curious about what other Authors or Texts you are specifically referring to that have not been made public yet. Do you have access to any of these?

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    hi Schmuldvich

    I would say that in the Weidenfeld prodromus to book 5 of the Secretum Adeptorum that is a very little known text there is much to be analyzed deepen and understand on the true and very deep traditional alchemy
    well and therefore if all agree we start seriously starting from it
    (the rest that there..manuscripts clears and operatives of cristoforo parigino es: him mss violetta, summetta, elucidario , van hemont Weidenfeld. etc) all this The rest that is there...Will be step by step according to how it will be seen that the in-depth analysis and analysis on Weidenfeld Prodromus to the book 5 of the secretum adeptorum
    Where I would say that there about trues arcani alchemicals : spiritus vini phil the creation of magnet and of the gun adrop etc in this book prodromus there is much From which wel start for well Understand and much Deepen it

    my best regard alfr
    Last edited by alfr; 05-09-2017 at 10:26 AM.

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    I thought it would be best, O friendly searcher of Nature, to discuss the matter more in detail, in order that you might the more readily know and make use of the substance of our Stone! For if you attempted to produce our Stone out of an animal substance you would fail, because the two things belong to different natural orders. For the Stone is a mineral, but you would be trying to fashion it out of an animal substance. "But nothing," says our Richard, in his first chapter, "can be got out

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    of a thing which is not in it. Therefore every species, every genus, every natural order, is naturally developed within its own limits, bearing fruit after its own kind, and not within some other essentially different order: everything in which seed is sown must correspond to its own seed." And Basil. Valentinus says: "Consider and know, my friend, that you must not select an animal soul for this your purpose. For flesh and blood were given by the Creator to animals, and are proper to animals, and from them animals are formed and brought forth." For this reason I wonder at those who wish to be regarded as great adepts, and yet look for the substance of the stone in female menstruums, the seminal fluid, eggs, hairs, urine, and similar things, and are not ashamed to fill so many volumes with their vain and worthless recipes, and to deceive the ignorant with such foolish, futile, and useless speculations. Roger, in his "Mirror" (cp. iii.), expresses his amazement at the folly of these men when he exclaims: "How strange that any sane person should look for what he wants in the animal and vegetable worlds, which have nothing whatever to do with the object of his search, while the mineral world is quite as ready to his hand. It is incredible that any philosopher should establish his art on such a remote foundation, except indeed by way of allegory." "For our Stone (says Basil.) is not made of combustible things. Verily that Stone and the matter thereof are safe from all such violence, therefore cease to seek it in the animal kingdom; for Nature herself could not find it there." Again, whoever hopes to find it in the vegetable world, as, for instance, in trees, herbs, flowers, is quite as much mistaken as he who would change an animal into a stone. Plants and trees, with all that they produce, may be consumed by fire, and leave nothing behind but the dust out of which they are made, and the salt which at the first creation of their species they received from Nature. Let no one be misled by the confident assertions of those who pretend that they can produce the Philosopher's Stone out of wheat, or out of wine. These persons fancy they understand the meaning of a certain passage in the writings of Raymond Lullius, but they exhibit the depth of their folly by the assumption of profound wisdom, and thus only deceive themselves and others. I do not deny that some excellent solvents, indispensable both

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    to the physician and to the chemist, are obtained from these sources; but I do most positively deny that the Philosopher's Stone can be prepared, or its seed elicited, from them, since the Creator has ordained that nothing should overstep the bounds of the natural order to which it was originally assigned. Hence every true disciple of wisdom may gather that the substance of the Stone is to be obtained neither in the animal nor in the vegetable world, seeing that both are combustible. We must therefore look for it among incombustible things, that is to say, in the mineral world, and thence only can we prepare it. Since, then, the Stone of the Wise is mineral, and there are different kinds of minerals, as stones (including clay and the different varieties of earth), salts, general minerals, and metals, we must further ask, in which of all these it is contained. We may at once eliminate stones, because they contain no fusible mercury, and cannot be incited, dissolved, or divided into their component parts on account of the large quantity of foreign sulphur and earthly substance which cleave to them.

    Nor will the wise investigator of Nature's secrets expect to find the substance of the Blessed Stone in salts, alums, or similar minerals. [n them he meets with a sharp, corroding, destructive spirit, but mercury and sulphur, as understood by philosophers, he would vainly look for. General minerals, like magnesia, bismuth, antimony, etc., can never under any circumstances become metals; how, then, can the substance of this Stone, which is the essential perfection of all metals and minerals, be obtained from them? Moreover, they have nothing in common with metals, but do burn, corrode, and destroy them:—how then can they be the means of their improvement?

    Hear what Richard the Englishman has to say on this head (cp. x.): "The lesser minerals cannot become metals—First, because they were not generated out of the elementary substance of metals, which is quicksilver. But seeing that their generation differs from the generation of metals in form, and substance, and composition, they can never become metals, because things belonging to the same species have the same elementary sub- stance, and spring from the same seed. But the lesser minerals are not generated from mercury, as we learn from Aristotle and Avicenna. If they were to become metals, they would have to

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    change into the elementary substance of metals. And, since such a transformation is beyond the power of chemistry, they can never become metals; that is to say, they can never be the substance of the Stone. Second, since the lesser minerals cannot ber come the elementary substance of metals, which is mercury, they can never reach the middle and the end of the same development, namely, metals and the tincture. But because the properties of the lesser minerals are foreign to those of the metals, although they may have some of the virtues of minerals, yet on the whole they are less excellent and are liable to be injured by fire. Therefore the nature of metals delights not in them, but repels them, while it receives that which is suited to it. For this reason they are foolish who bring in so many foreign speculations for the purpose of imposing upon their hearers; for the things they put forward are altogether unlike metals and can never receive nor impart their nature."
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/hm1/hm104.htm

    just something I've been reading that I thought was relevant herd

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfr View Post
    hi Schmuldvich

    I would say that in the Weidenfeld prodromus to book 5 of the Secretum Adeptorum that is a very little known text there is much to be analyzed deepen and understand on the true and very deep traditional alchemy
    well and therefore if all agree we start seriously starting from it
    (the rest that there..manuscripts clears and operatives of cristoforo parigino es: him mss violetta, summetta, elucidario , van hemont Weidenfeld. etc) all this The rest that is there...Will be step by step according to how it will be seen that the in-depth analysis and analysis on Weidenfeld Prodromus to the book 5 of the secretum adeptorum
    Where I would say that there about trues arcani alchemicals : spiritus vini phil the creation of magnet and of the gun adrop etc in this book prodromus there is much From which wel start for well Understand and much Deepen it

    my best regard alfr
    Hi alfr, you have been posting about Weidenfeld perpetually nonstop for years now. I commend your faithfulness and ardent study of his works. I too have read much of his writings albeit not all of everything that was published as it is extraordinarily dense and mostly contains extremely specific instructions aimed towards one who has accomplished quite a bit in our Art. It is not for the average layperson, nor are his works written to a budding Alchemist. These are a collection of writings meant for genuine Adepts, those who have pierced the veil and are looking to perpetuate more advanced Works in accordance with Nature.

    Have you yourself recently seen Success or has anyone in your circle accomplished anything worthwhile while working in accordance with Weidenfeld? It surprises me that you post so highly of Weidenfeld but I don't remember you posting anything of any of your experiments regarding Weidenfeld's way of working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post
    Hi alfr, you have been posting about Weidenfeld perpetually nonstop for years now. I commend your faithfulness and ardent study of his works. I too have read much of his writings albeit not all of everything that was published as it is extraordinarily dense and mostly contains extremely specific instructions aimed towards one who has accomplished quite a bit in our Art. It is not for the average layperson, nor are his works written to a budding Alchemist. These are a collection of writings meant for genuine Adepts, those who have pierced the veil and are looking to perpetuate more advanced Works in accordance with Nature.

    Have you yourself recently seen Success or has anyone in your circle accomplished anything worthwhile while working in accordance with Weidenfeld? It surprises me that you post so highly of Weidenfeld but I don't remember you posting anything of any of your experiments regarding Weidenfeld's way of working.
    hi Schmuldvich

    yes of course there is some success dissolving leaves gold etc ex: ot the secret solvent https://servimg.com/view/17801886/10 that sure you have seen around there are various photos of us of nik forun that gave put it our menber etc and it you know very well it etc and as soon as and if I return to my country

    (for now i am away bevause we not acept muzzles and restrictions crazy of one dictatorship against which we fight without ifs and buts covid is a simple flu create big fake covid and noe is only dictatorship sanitary against which we fight without ifs and buts)

    SO if i returm I'll look for them photos and and i post it also here
    BUT NB I am the first to say unlike others who around in various environments make the phenomena and boast the nothing that the alchemic way is arduous long and difficult and that even if you get the secret solvent and / or the svp these that, if you say it, it is neither stone nor elixir but only a small serious step in the alchemical path

    nb here some examle of photos of the secret solvent that dissolving leaves of gold
    https://servimg.com/view/17801886/10

    regard
    Last edited by alfr; 3 Weeks Ago at 11:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfr View Post
    hi Schmuldvich

    yes of course there is some success dissolving leaves gold etc ex: ot the secret solvent https://servimg.com/view/17801886/10 that sure you have seen around there are various photos of us of nik forun that gave put it our menber etc and it you know very well it etc and as soon as and if I return to my country

    (for now i am away bevause we not acept muzzles and restrictions crazy of one dictatorship against which we fight without ifs and buts covid is a simple flu create big fake covid and noe is only dictatorship sanitary against which we fight without ifs and buts)

    SO if i returm I'll look for them photos and and i post it also here
    BUT NB I am the first to say unlike others who around in various environments make the phenomena and boast the nothing that the alchemic way is arduous long and difficult and that even if you get the secret solvent and / or the svp these that, if you say it, it is neither stone nor elixir but only a small serious step in the alchemical path

    nb here some examle of photos of the secret solvent that dissolving leaves of gold
    https://servimg.com/view/17801886/10

    regard
    Very cool, alfr. Thank you for posting a picture of your experiment.

    Feel free to share more about what we are looking at.

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