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    Sun above the moon

    In the alembic is the Sun (Male) always above the moon (Female) or does it alternate as the process continues from start to finish?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Luxus View Post
    In the alembic is the Sun (Male) always above the moon (Female) or does it alternate as the process continues from start to finish?
    In the first distillation the Moon comes over before the Sun which floats on the Moon when it comes over. After that it is your choice whether you separate and purify them, or putrefy them together. Better to call them crude Philosophical Sulfur and Mercury, or Red King and White Queen. The white bird is related to Azoth a determined manifestation of Spiritus Mundi also called Sal Armoniac.

    How you proceed: separate or putrefy is determined by your goals. If you want a medicine for your health then separate and purify. If you want to play with neutrons then putrefy. Putrefaction of the Sun and Moon is a closely guarded secret to be revealed through experience attained by moving Spiritus Mundi from one determination to another using the Elements as outlined by Edward Kelly.

    Spiritus Mundi can move you and you can move Spiritus Mundi. It happens all the time.

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    The Man (Sun) and Woman (Moon) must copulate to create the philosophical child (the philosophers stone). I do not think you can separate them and purify them, maybe you could but the resultant compound would be of little value.

    I remember reading something to the effect, the man must be above the woman, the women must not be above the man, it could be interpreted several ways I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z0 K View Post
    by moving Spiritus Mundi from one determination to another using the Elements as outlined by Edward Kelly.
    Hi again z0 K,
    I've never read any E. Kelley, so I'm unfamiliar with this source. Is there a specific book?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luxus View Post
    The Man (Sun) and Woman (Moon) must copulate to create the philosophical child (the philosophers stone). I do not think you can separate them and purify them, maybe you could but the resultant compound would be of little value.

    I remember reading something to the effect, the man must be above the woman, the women must not be above the man, it could be interpreted several ways I guess.
    Your thinking will change once you actually do work in a laboratory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiorionis View Post
    Hi again z0 K,
    I've never read any E. Kelley, so I'm unfamiliar with this source. Is there a specific book?
    Edward Kelly's alchemical writings are available online. Most everyone interested in alchemy thinks Kelly was a charlatan and fraud who took advantage of John Dee. They think this because it was said or rumored that he lost his ears for forgery in England. Yet the Queen of England tried unsuccessfully to persuade Kelly to return to England and help the Crown to build a fleet with his alchemical gold. Kelly declined preferring to remain in Bohemia after being knighted by Emperor Rudolph II for making alchemical gold for him. At the time Edward Kelly was the most famous alchemist in Europe.

    The Alchemical Writings of Edward Kelly:
    https://archive.org/details/b24857300

    Might be of interest relevant to this thread:

    Arbor Alchemae

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    Thanks for the PDF link I've been looking for Kelly material for some time. Personally I think the ears cut off for forgery would improve scrying ability because between 30% and 70% hearing is lost so perhaps new perceptions might take their place. The loss of the outer ears could have improved Kelly's ability to scry for Dee. Also hunger and poverty were continual problems for most people in Elizabethan England so I do not very much condem Kelly if his dishonesty was because he was hungry and cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z0 K View Post
    Edward Kelly's alchemical writings are available online. Most everyone interested in alchemy thinks Kelly was a charlatan and fraud who took advantage of John Dee. They think this because it was said or rumored that he lost his ears for forgery in England. Yet the Queen of England tried unsuccessfully to persuade Kelly to return to England and help the Crown to build a fleet with his alchemical gold. Kelly declined preferring to remain in Bohemia after being knighted by Emperor Rudolph II for making alchemical gold for him. At the time Edward Kelly was the most famous alchemist in Europe.

    The Alchemical Writings of Edward Kelly:
    https://archive.org/details/b24857300

    Might be of interest relevant to this thread:

    Arbor Alchemae
    From Dr. Dee's diary & his "Five Books of Mystery" manuscript, as well as from his son's comments, we can arrive at a few interesting conclusions and theories regarding Edward Kelley and alchemy:

    http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showt...Northwick-Hill

    I think he did very likely figure out how to make either the white Stone or at least some sort of "particular tincture" that could turn some metals into silver, since the provenance of the silver-making "tincture" in their possession is NOT accounted for in Dee's diary or manuscript. Where did it come from, then? Dee surely would have recorded its provenance if they had also found it at a "digging" somewhere, as he did with the sample of the red Stone in their possession, but there is no word about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luxus View Post
    In the alembic is the Sun (Male) always above the moon (Female) or does it alternate as the process continues from start to finish?




    It is important to remember that our Matter evolves inside of the flask, therefore taking upon itself different qualities in the flask, or as some would say an inversion of the Elements.


    Quote Originally Posted by z0 K View Post
    Your thinking will change once you actually do work in a laboratory.
    You have one of the nicest, cleanest, and most organized labs that has ever been shared on the internet. I have read all of texts I could find published under your real name/other pseudonym, which leads me to ask you directly...

    With all the numerous preparations you have prepared, what have you been able to accomplish worthwhile with any of it? I mean, I understand the value of carrying out the lab work to provide oneself with better comprehension of the ancient texts and labwork in general, but have you been able to use any of the substances you have prepared in a practical way...to accomplish anything? Have you seen the Moon occult the Sun?


    Quote Originally Posted by z0 K View Post
    Edward Kelly's alchemical writings are available online. Most everyone interested in alchemy thinks Kelly was a charlatan and fraud who took advantage of John Dee. They think this because it was said or rumored that he lost his ears for forgery in England. Yet the Queen of England tried unsuccessfully to persuade Kelly to return to England and help the Crown to build a fleet with his alchemical gold. Kelly declined preferring to remain in Bohemia after being knighted by Emperor Rudolph II for making alchemical gold for him. At the time Edward Kelly was the most famous alchemist in Europe. The Alchemical Writings of Edward Kelly:
    https://archive.org/details/b24857300 Might be of interest relevant to this thread:
    Arbor Alchemae
    From my limited knowledge of his life, I always wrote off Edward Kelly as a pseudo-alchemist, but after reading this, maybe there is an inkling of truth to his words. I need to read his works again. Interesting analysis you present here.


    Quote Originally Posted by JDP View Post
    From Dr. Dee's diary & his "Five Books of Mystery" manuscript, as well as from his son's comments, we can arrive at a few interesting conclusions and theories regarding Edward Kelley and alchemy:
    http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showt...Northwick-Hill I think he did very likely figure out how to make either the white Stone or at least some sort of "particular tincture" that could turn some metals into silver, since the provenance of the silver-making "tincture" in their possession is NOT accounted for in Dee's diary or manuscript. Where did it come from, then? Dee surely would have recorded its provenance if they had also found it at a "digging" somewhere, as he did with the sample of the red Stone in their possession, but there is no word about it.
    Compelling thoughts, JDP. You and z0 K have renewed my interest in Edward Kelly which I will begin once I finish my other studies of the moment. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post

    You have one of the nicest, cleanest, and most organized labs that has ever been shared on the internet. I have read all of texts I could find published under your real name/other pseudonym, which leads me to ask you directly...

    With all the numerous preparations you have prepared, what have you been able to accomplish worthwhile with any of it? I mean, I understand the value of carrying out the lab work to provide oneself with better comprehension of the ancient texts and labwork in general, but have you been able to use any of the substances you have prepared in a practical way...to accomplish anything? Have you seen the Moon occult the Sun?
    Well, thanks for the kudos about my lab. I appreciate it.

    You want to know if I have accomplished anything worthwhile with my laboratory preparations. Who decides what is worthwhile? Reminds me of a request for a resume or a biography.

    What have I accomplished through alchemy: I yam what I yam. I'm Popeye the sailor man. When I'm low I eats me spinach then good to go.

    Have I seen the Moon occult the Sun? I don't know what you mean by that one. I have traveled into the Abyss the yoke of Nothingness where the Sun don't shine. That is incredibly worthwhile to me.

    You will never know what the Vegetable Stone will do for you until you make it and take it. If you have developed your inner circuits you can pull the ecstasy directly into your Microcosmic Body. That is a rush akin to orgasm. If you have not developed your inner circuits you probably will not experience that ecstatic influx of Spiritus Mundi. Your insights will be germane to your level of development. If you are inclined to meditation your meditations will be deepened. If you are a materialist then the physical improvements will be subtle and take time to notice depending on how old you are and how crapulent you've become. I've been taking three different preparations of the Vegetable Stone for over a year now. I am an old man and I feel better than ever!

    The authoritah beat me down for 10 years because I provided spagyric elixirs to seriously ill people under doctors supervision. My lab was looted by the authoritah. I was thrown into the high tower prison in the City of Ghosts. The tower to my surprise was only a prison on the surface a facade. Underneath that intimidation it was actually one of the Monasteries of the Dark Lord. Some got religion in that Monastery. I used the opportunity to exercise and further develop my inner circulation. The practice successfully removes stress and anxiety for a time. I began teaching it to others upon request. I learned to distill Shen from Qi in there.

    After a few months the Dark Lord had me escorted out of the prison. That was after a prisoner a Muslim monk in that monastery told me that I would get out when the Lord was ready to release me and then the doors would open for me and no man could do anything to stop it. That is how it happened. One morning they came and let me out under house arrest a severe form of bail, but bail had not been paid. Weeks later I had to make an appearance in court. The judge and prosecutor were amazed to find that I had been freed without securing bail. They said it had never happened before.

    My reservoirs of alchemical energy were seriously depleted and I began to age rapidly. Or I began to catch up with the rest of my cohorts in wear and tear and stress. The storm of authoritah blew itself out over the decade but I was old by then. And my body was declining. Some of my organs started to fail from the decade of stress. My stash of elixirs was depleted. I made some simple spagyric tinctures to keep me going while I rebuilt my lab.

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