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    Quote Originally Posted by Luxus View Post
    In the alembic is the Sun (Male) always above the moon (Female) or does it alternate as the process continues from start to finish?
    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post
    It is important to remember that our Matter evolves inside of the flask, therefore taking upon itself different qualities in the flask, or as some would say an inversion of the Elements.
    Quote Originally Posted by Luxus View Post
    The Man (Sun) and Woman (Moon) must copulate to create the philosophical child.
    YES! This is the step following our Separation which we call Conjunction.

    The text accompanying the exquisite images from the "Splendor Solis" wonderfully describes our Conjunction in detail...

    "Morienus says: You shall know that the whole work of this Art ends in two Operations hanging very close together, so that when the one is complete, the other may begin and finish, this perfecting the whole Mastery. But as they only act on their own matter, it is necessary to give more particulars about it. Geber says in his "Summa Perfectionis Magisteri In Sua Natura" that Nature produces the Metals from Mercury and Sulphur, and to the same effect we see Ferraruis speak in his "Treatise On Alchemy", in the 25th chapter, that from the beginning of the Origin of Metals, nature also uses a slimy, heavy water, mixed with a very peculiar white subtile earth, which resolves the former into a steam and vapour, raises it in the veins or crevices of the earth and decocts, steams and collects it together so long, till at last dryness and moisture completely unite, thereby forming the substance which we call Mercury, and which constitutes the peculiar and very first Matter of all metals, and again he treats of it in the 26th chapter as follows: Those who will imitate nature, are not to use Mercury only, but Mercury mixed with Sulphur, but not the common Mercury and Sulphur, but those only which Nature herself has mixed, well prepared and decocted into a sweet fluid. In such a Mercury Nature has begun with primary action and ended in a metallic nature, having thus done her part, leaving the rest for Art to complete her work, into a Perfect Philosopher’s Stone."

    For now the Philosophers say: ‘Dissolve the thing, and sublimate it, and then distil it, coagulate it, make it ascend, soak it, dry it, and ever up to an indefinite number of operations, all of which take place at the same time and in the same vessel’. Alphidius confirms this and says: ‘You must know that when we dissolve we sublimate as well and calcinate without interruption,’ and if our Corpus is being thrown into the water, for the purpose of dissolution, it first turns black, then separates itself, dissolving and sublimating, then unites itself with the spirit which is its origin and birth.

    It has been compared as analogous to all things in the world, visible or invisible, possessed of a soul or not, corporeal or animal, dead or alive, mineral or vegetative; analogous to the elements and their compositions, to things hot and cold, further to all colors, all fruits, all birds, and in short to all things between Heaven and Earth, and among all these are belonging to this Art the aforesaid operations, which are explained by the Philosophers in two words, ‘Man’ and ‘Woman, or ‘Milk’ and ‘Cream’. He who does not understand these does not understand the preparation of this Art.



    Quote Originally Posted by z0 K View Post
    Well, thanks for the kudos about my lab. I appreciate it.

    You want to know if I have accomplished anything worthwhile with my laboratory preparations. Who decides what is worthwhile? Reminds me of a request for a resume or a biography.

    What have I accomplished through alchemy: I yam what I yam. I'm Popeye the sailor man. When I'm low I eats me spinach then good to go.

    Have I seen the Moon occult the Sun? I don't know what you mean by that one. I have traveled into the Abyss the yoke of Nothingness where the Sun don't shine. That is incredibly worthwhile to me.

    You will never know what the Vegetable Stone will do for you until you make it and take it. If you have developed your inner circuits you can pull the ecstasy directly into your Microcosmic Body. That is a rush akin to orgasm. If you have not developed your inner circuits you probably will not experience that ecstatic influx of Spiritus Mundi. Your insights will be germane to your level of development. If you are inclined to meditation your meditations will be deepened. If you are a materialist then the physical improvements will be subtle and take time to notice depending on how old you are and how crapulent you've become. I've been taking three different preparations of the Vegetable Stone for over a year now. I am an old man and I feel better than ever!

    The authoritah beat me down for 10 years because I provided spagyric elixirs to seriously ill people under doctors supervision. My lab was looted by the authoritah. I was thrown into the high tower prison in the City of Ghosts. The tower to my surprise was only a prison on the surface a facade. Underneath that intimidation it was actually one of the Monasteries of the Dark Lord. Some got religion in that Monastery. I used the opportunity to exercise and further develop my inner circulation. The practice successfully removes stress and anxiety for a time. I began teaching it to others upon request. I learned to distill Shen from Qi in there.

    After a few months the Dark Lord had me escorted out of the prison. That was after a prisoner a Muslim monk in that monastery told me that I would get out when the Lord was ready to release me and then the doors would open for me and no man could do anything to stop it. That is how it happened. One morning they came and let me out under house arrest a severe form of bail, but bail had not been paid. Weeks later I had to make an appearance in court. The judge and prosecutor were amazed to find that I had been freed without securing bail. They said it had never happened before.

    My reservoirs of alchemical energy were seriously depleted and I began to age rapidly. Or I began to catch up with the rest of my cohorts in wear and tear and stress. The storm of authoritah blew itself out over the decade but I was old by then. And my body was declining. Some of my organs started to fail from the decade of stress. My stash of elixirs was depleted. I made some simple spagyric tinctures to keep me going while I rebuilt my lab.
    Wow! Thank you for sharing and taking the time to type all of that. Much appreciated!

    I find it interesting that you denominate 'Vegetable Stone' as your stone that you highly value. As I understand it, our Stone (The Philosopher's Stone) is altogether Vegetable, Animal, & Mineral; the 'Vegetable Stone' simply being a less matured product of our Matter. Why stop at the 'Vegetable Stone'? The fact that you say, "You will never know what the Vegetable Stone will do for you until you make it and take it. If you have developed your inner circuits you can pull the ecstasy directly into your Microcosmic Body. That is a rush akin to orgasm. If you have not developed your inner circuits you probably will not experience that ecstatic influx of Spiritus Mundi" in my opinion clearly displays a lack of fundamental Understanding on your part of the properties of a 'Vegetable Stone'.
    What is the starting matter of your Vegetable Stone?
    Ultimately, as we already all know, what is worthwhile to some is not worthwhile to another, so the answer is completely subjective when asking if someone has accomplished anything worthwhile, which I why I chose to leave the question open-ended on this one. What I really wanted to ask is "Have you completed the Great Work?" Which also has a relatively subjective answer, being that one's interpretation of Great Work varies from one person to another, so I guess a better more direct question would be, "In the lab have you manifested the Philosopher's Stone?" (ya know, the one with all the irrefutable marvelously miraculous properties described by the Ancients) I would be interested in any tier of completion, be it White Stone or Red Stone, as these each have definitive characteristics that are not open to interpretation and have been defined countless times throughout the years.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post
    I find it interesting that you denominate 'Vegetable Stone' as your stone that you highly value. As I understand it, our Stone (The Philosopher's Stone) is altogether Vegetable, Animal, & Mineral; the 'Vegetable Stone' simply being a less matured product of our Matter. Why stop at the 'Vegetable Stone'?
    Your understanding needs refinement that comes with experience in the lab work. Who said I have stopped? I discuss the Vegetable Stone because most pilgrims in this sport think it is the lesser work. And for this reason they dismiss it choosing to launch themselves into the theater of metallic compounds of all sorts. All done without the philosophical Matter necessary for that work.

    "If you have not developed your inner circuits you probably will not experience that ecstatic influx of Spiritus Mundi" in my opinion clearly displays a lack of fundamental Understanding on your part of the properties of a 'Vegetable Stone'.
    Your understanding does not appear to be based on experience but on sophisticated thinking which breeds a host of opinions. Good luck with that. I find it humorous that you choose to think I lack a "fundamental Understanding of the properties of the Vegetable Stone." It's hilarious really. Roger Bacon was right in his reasoning about obscuring the Mysteries. The Matter itself that you desire to know is stinking, sickening and repulsive at first. That alone has stopped 99% of those who attempt Hollandus Vegetable work which is one of the most openly detailed in lab procedure generally available. Axismundi000 was honest enough to admit in another thread that the stinking sticky foul tars produced from distillation of herbs turned him away from the process. I've seen this happen with many others as well. They get that "tar baby" stuck all over everything and their labs turn into briar patches.

    "In the lab have you manifested the Philosopher's Stone?" (ya know, the one with all the irrefutable marvelously miraculous properties described by the Ancients) I would be interested in any tier of completion, be it White Stone or Red Stone, as these each have definitive characteristics that are not open to interpretation and have been defined countless times throughout the years.
    All the irrefutable marvelously miraculous properties described by the Ancients? Have you ever been fishing? Do you know the difference between fishing and the story told about it? Your interests do not motivate me; get stuck to your tar baby, then I might be motivated.

    That is one reason why I only give operational advice for the work in the laboratory to someone that is actually working in the lab. And that is only in private. If you can get that tar baby out of the briar patch you are halfway there. That is the Black Hole Sun.

    In my eyes, indisposed
    In disguises no one knows
    Hides the face, lies the snake
    The sun in my disgrace
    Boiling heat, summer stench
    'Neath the black the sky looks dead
    Call my name through the cream
    And I'll hear you scream again

    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    And wash away the rain
    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    Won't you come (won't you come)

    Stuttering, cold and damp
    Steal the warm wind tired friend
    Times are gone for honest men
    And sometimes far too long for snakes
    In my shoes, a walking sleep
    And my youth I pray to keep
    Heaven sent hell away
    No one sings like you anymore

    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    And wash away the rain
    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    Won't you come

    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    And wash away the rain
    Black hole sun
    Won't you come

    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)

    Hang my head, drown my fear
    Till you all just disappear

    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    And wash away the rain
    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    Won't you come

    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    And wash away the rain
    Black hole sun
    Won't you come

    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come
    Won't you come

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    Quote Originally Posted by z0 K View Post
    In my eyes, indisposed
    In disguises no one knows
    Hides the face, lies the snake
    The sun in my disgrace
    Boiling heat, summer stench
    'Neath the black the sky looks dead
    Call my name through the cream
    And I'll hear you scream again

    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    And wash away the rain
    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    Won't you come (won't you come)

    Stuttering, cold and damp
    Steal the warm wind tired friend
    Times are gone for honest men
    And sometimes far too long for snakes
    In my shoes, a walking sleep
    And my youth I pray to keep
    Heaven sent hell away
    No one sings like you anymore

    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    And wash away the rain
    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    Won't you come

    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    And wash away the rain
    Black hole sun
    Won't you come

    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)

    Hang my head, drown my fear
    Till you all just disappear

    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    And wash away the rain
    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    Won't you come

    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    And wash away the rain
    Black hole sun
    Won't you come

    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come (black hole sun, black hole sun)
    Won't you come
    Won't you come
    Did you write these lyrics?

    I like
    Art is Nature in the flask; Nature is a vial thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiorionis View Post
    Did you write these lyrics?

    I like

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    Quote Originally Posted by z0 K View Post
    Who said I have stopped? I discuss the Vegetable Stone because most pilgrims in this sport think it is the lesser work. And for this reason they dismiss it choosing to launch themselves into the theater of metallic compounds of all sorts. All done without the philosophical Matter necessary for that work.
    If this were the case, certainly your focus would be on the 'Sun above the Moon' rather than mundane particular lab works that you show here and recap elsewhere...would it not? There is no 'lesser work', only White Stone & Red Stone.

    Quote Originally Posted by z0 K View Post
    Your understanding does not appear to be based on experience but on sophisticated thinking which breeds a host of opinions. Good luck with that. I find it humorous that you choose to think I lack a "fundamental Understanding of the properties of the Vegetable Stone." It's hilarious really. Roger Bacon was right in his reasoning about obscuring the Mysteries. The Matter itself that you desire to know is stinking, sickening and repulsive at first. That alone has stopped 99% of those who attempt Hollandus Vegetable work which is one of the most openly detailed in lab procedure generally available. Axismundi000 was honest enough to admit in another thread that the stinking sticky foul tars produced from distillation of herbs turned him away from the process. I've seen this happen with many others as well. They get that "tar baby" stuck all over everything and their labs turn into briar patches.
    Agreed! Sophisticated theoretical thinking is nothing without the lab Work to parallel it--we are on the same page here--which is why I have walked through the Dung fields myself, endured the feculent stench of Death, and raised my own "Tar baby". I don't know wish to know our Matter, I already know it and continue to work with it every day. With a little bit of theoretical knowledge anyone can do the same. You know this as well as I. Our Work is not hard, but it does take great patience, tolerance, perseverance, and time; most people tap out before they ever see their first Baby mature into an Angel. Is it any surprise that so few progress in our Art?

    Remember that guy chasm? He explained things so plainly, eloquently, directly, and openly that one cannot help but wonder why he was banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chasm View Post
    I've decided to make my first post here on this thread. The reason why is because I think it's significant.

    The simplicity of this is befuddling, however, it's quite true and clear that every last operation of the alchemists takes place as spoken of. Furthermore, watching what takes place within the flask allows one to easily follow the alchemical/Hermetic Doctrine.

    I will sum what I know as such:

    Our matter begins.

    It is separated into two components.
    (Many scripts begin here)

    The two components give rise to a third component
    (A philosophical marriage occurs)

    All components recombine and morph into a fixed component
    (This component is the regenerated matter, fertile soil)

    No one has posted any pics at all. Am I missing something? I eventually wish post a few pic here. I can't say what I've seen and not back it up now can I?
    He then went on to post pictures of his own, the likes of which no one else has come forward and posted any of their own since. I wonder why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chasm View Post
    Has anyone seen the method to this stage?



    Can anyone tell me what I'm looking at considering that this image is authentic and is a progressive stage in this method?
    Luxus, this is the Sun above the Moon.

    Or, as chasm explains this,

    "It's the land of milk and honey philosophically speaking"

    Quote Originally Posted by Chasm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 12 Keys Of Basil Valentine
    "But our Stone, as it has been bequeathed to me by the Ancients, is derived from two things, and one thing, in which is concealed a third thing."
    The two things are begotten of one thing. The coction of the two yields a third thing.

    It is clear that the one thing must be composed of these other things.
    One may assume that the esteemed Monk is implying that two things are added to one thing resulting in a concealed third thing, but this would be an error in grammatical comprehension.
    It is therefore, on solid ground that the "one thing", MATTER, which yields "two", SUBSTANCES, who's coction reveals a "third" Substance.

    Quote Originally Posted by 12 Keys Of Basil Valentine
    "You need not look for our metallic seed among the elements. It need not be sought so far back. If you can only rectify the Mercury, Sulphur, and Salt (understand, those of the Sages) until the metallic spirit and body are inseparably joined together by means of the metallic soul, you thereby firmly rivet the chain of love, and prepare the palace for the coronation."
    All this from ONE thing...our Matter!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chasm View Post
    In my attempts to better show what I've discovered for myself, I hope that this offsite image is easier to depict.



    This image is taken as the matter is exiting the black of blacks stage or the reign of Saturn. It signifies the triumph of antimony.
    Notice what is depicted as a "starry sky", the coating of the glass. Again, the circular iris are reminiscent of the caudal pavonis features.

    Is it just me or is there something in this image that resembles mine?
    Please, before any negativity, observe closely:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chasm View Post
    I'd hoped that the active experimenters here who've pierced the veil would come out and play. It's difficult certainly and we all know why.
    I've placed a lot of information here on this forum with images of which no one has duplicated (at least none willing to share).
    My hope is to follow in the steps of the ancients, assisting the true lovers of philosophy.

    The end goal is to access the seed of all things. That's what the Stone does.

    I've basically put the true meanings of the texts on a platter.

    Quote Originally Posted by z0 K View Post
    All the irrefutable marvelously miraculous properties described by the Ancients? Have you ever been fishing? Do you know the difference between fishing and the story told about it?

    Your interests do not motivate me; get stuck to your tar baby, then I might be motivated.
    Done. Now confirm an irrefutably successful Philosophic Separation and we will both be motivated. Less than five individuals on this planet have shown this Operation publicly on an open forum like this, and even fewer continue to post on internet message boards. Ever wonder why...? Those who are in the Know don't say, and those who say aren't in the Know; for the most part I have found this to be true. Once a certain level in our Great Work is achieved lips start getting tighter and tighter. Think about it, would you want anyone in the world to know that you possess and know how to reproduce the most valuable Medicine on Earth? The words of the Sages describing the properties of the Philosopher's Stone is not a circlejerk for a writing competition lasting thousands of years. These are men & women who have successfully penetrated the Gate, Key in hand, and pierced the Inner Veil.

    Regardless of how many particulars you have completed in the lab, for you to describe our Art as the "difference between fishing and the story told about it" at best demonstrates inferior understanding and lackluster comprehension of the very Art you claim to practice.

    Quote Originally Posted by z0 K View Post
    That is one reason why I only give operational advice for the work in the laboratory to someone that is actually working in the lab. And that is only in private. If you can get that tar baby out of the briar patch you are halfway there.
    Agreed!

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    Chasm was banned for the same reason anyone has been banned: breaking the rules and guidelines

    Also regarding the rest of your post I conclude one of either:

    1. you are Chasm
    2. people in alchemy are so gullible

    Edit: gullible is not really the word I am satisfied with in hindsight, "boring" is a better one. Lol.

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    @ZoK my lab is in the house in a spare room. The stench from just one run of Hollandus opera vegetabilia was unlike anything else I had done. Other works produce the occasional noxious odour but can be contained in the Lab with air freshener outside, the Hollandus work stank out the entire house for days after just one run. I wish to remain married.

    The other big no no for me even outside in the garden would be boiling my own piss, someone I know did that in their back yard and their wife could be observed desperately putting towels at window frames and the bottom of outside doors. The stench was indescribable. Putrefaction and stench must be localised in Alchemy and all other aspects of life I personally feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axismundi000 View Post
    The other big no no for me even outside in the garden would be boiling my own piss, someone I know did that in their back yard and their wife could be observed desperately putting towels at window frames and the bottom of outside doors. The stench was indescribable.


    Wow! Why on Earth (I mean, under the Sun) would someone ever do this!?

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    I know that our matter separates naturally into the Sun & Moon, what I was getting at is until conjunction (when the Sun is occulted by the moon) does the Sun always remain above the Moon or is there a rotation, sometimes the moon above the Sun.

    As for the need of secrecy remember well the law of karma, you are responsible for any harm that results not only by your actions but by your speech also. This is why every Alchemist is reminded not to have a loose tong. Never reveal openly the first matter and never reveal the secret solvent.

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    It seems i need to read Holland's.

    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    And wash away the rain
    Black hole sun
    Won't you come
    Won't you come (won't you come)

    XD Couldn't help myself.

    As for the sun and moon. I am under the impression, bath of the sun brings redness. Bath of the moon makes white.
    Although I suppose there are many interpretations.
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