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    Alchemical Signs in the Great Work

    This is a spin-off thread from Salazius "Alchemy" Work


    Quote Originally Posted by Hellin Hermetist View Post
    If you arent an accomplished adept and doesnt possess the Stone, how do you know for sure that this or that ingredient, which you call "vulgar", is not essential for its confection?
    How is it possible to know much about a certain substance and at the same time never have this substance at your possesion? Has any close friend of yours present to you this substance and let you make tests with it to familiarize yourself with its properties and characteristics?
    The term Alkahest, was invented by Paracelsus, to describe a certain medicine of the liver, which of course had nothing to do with transmutation and the philosophers Stone. Helmont later used that term, to describe a special solvent, which, according to him, was able to dissolve any substance put inside it and reduce it to water. Of course Helmont's alkahest too had nothing to do with alchemy (Helmont had admitted that he got a sample from the prepared Stone from a stranger and was allowed to make tests with it and didnt know how to prepare the Stone himself). So about which Alkahest are you interested in? The pharmaceutical one of Paracelsus or the Helmontian special solvent? Of course both of them have nothing to do with alchemy.
    Why are you so interested in that? Are you a tax collector?
    Hellin Hermetist, I am not an especially accomplished Adept, nor do I possess the Philosopher's Stone. All I know is that I have seen the signs the Sages wrote about, spoke about, and passed down to posterity and Brothers of the Art. Everything I have seen in my flask aligns with the words of the Ancients--everything! It is encouraging beyond belief to have put my foundation and theoretical knowledge to the test to see with my own eyes what the Masters have seen themselves and described in their books.

    Alchemy is my passion in life and what I have dedicated this Earthly existence to.

    ...You have fired many questions at me and I will do my best to answer them all as clearly as I can for you!

    How do you know for sure that this or that ingredient, which you call "vulgar", is not essential for its confection? Because I have seen the signs myself, touched with my own hands the same matter, our Matter, as the Alchemists of the past, and done the Work to confirm what I know to be Truth. The "vulgar" ingredients perpetually discussed on this forum lead to nothing (other than pretty colors) and, in my opinion, waste not only the money of a Seeker but also the time of a Seeker. If the end goal is the Philosopher's Stone, then comprehending the old texts and laying a solid foundation for oneself is where I would suggest starting.

    How is it possible to know much about a certain substance and at the same time never have this substance at your possesion? I have read the Ancients' texts and walked in their footsteps, emulating what they did hundreds of years ago, performing the same exact Steps they carried out. Nothing has changed from then to today. There is nothing new under the Sun.

    Has any close friend of yours present to you this substance and let you make tests with it to familiarize yourself with its properties and characteristics? No.

    So about which Alkahest are you interested in? The pharmaceutical one of Paracelsus or the Helmontian special solvent? Only one proper Solvent exists in Alchemy, our Universal Solvent a.k.a. our Secret Solvent a.k.a. our Alkahest. This substance opens the body of elemental gold and dissolves elemental gold much like ice in hot water, and during this process our Alkahest loses none of its virtue (strength). Many Masters have written more about this. If you are interested I can provide quotes and I am sure that many others here can provide quotes about this subject as well. It is a basic concept in Alchemy and one that must be understood in order to successfully penetrate the veil and succeed in the Art you wish master.

    Why are you so interested in that? Are you a tax collector?
    Yes! (Just joking) and also a member of the erlluminandi!


    Quote Originally Posted by Hellin Hermetist View Post
    I asked you in another topic to prove a thesis of yours and you answered that you will not prove anything, that I am not able to decipher and understand the secret code of the adepts and other similar bs. Now everyone can see who is scared shitless to answer direct questions. Your ignorance has been exposed in this topic as well.
    Welp, you got me!! You sure showed them!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Hellin Hermetist View Post
    Ok. Seems that its getting better with every new post. Me and others have shown you in some earlier posts that Starkey/Philalethes fooled also other ppl in the past as he has now fooled you, and in reality he never had the Stone. As it seems that you prefer to reject common logic and follow your strange conceptions, at least try to work with common metallic mercury if you want to follow Philalethes-Starkey, as this was the real substance he worked with. Its very easy for me to prove my thesis. I shall quote from Ripley Revived:

    Everyone who has studied the answer of Bernard to Thomas of Bononia (I propose you to study it as well) can see by his own eyes how highly the author praise common metallic mercury as the one and only real alchemical solvent, and how he mocks all those experimenters who destroys its pure metallic nature by dissolving it in acid substances or sublime it with salts, when the only thing it needs, is to mix it with certain substances, which will divide from its inner nature a certain phlegmatic humidity and an impure earth. Then it will be ready to dissolve metallic gold and accomplish philosophical Work. That is the opinion of Bernandus, which Philalethes define as most certain truth and naked truth.

    Most probably thats a reference to Alexander Von Sucthen, as it was his path which Philalethes followed.

    The only problem of common metallic mercury is that it has a deficiency of heat and a superfluity of feces.

    To solve the above problems (heat metallic mercury to a greater degree and seperates its superfluous feces) the author says that we have to compound a certain substance from two principles, and after that to use common metallic mercury to extract a certain vitrue from the artificial compound, which will reinforce common mercury and reduce it to Philosophic Mercury.

    Now can see again that, according to Philalethes, common metallic mercury and the compound of the art gives the Philosophic Mercury and real alchemical solvent.

    Common mercury becomes alchemical solvent and a fiery water, by repeated cohobations over the art's compound (he calls every cohobation an eagle).

    Philosophical mercury has the same form with common metallic mercury but its more pure and clean.

    And now it seems that I am going to kill two birds with one Stone. Philalethes at first affirms, to your great disappointment, that the only thing the liquor Alkahest can do, is to reduce a body in a watery form. So its wholly inadequate for our work. In second place he affirms that common metallic mercury sold by apothecaries can be purified to such a degree, and all the feces and crudities be seperated from its inner nature, that it shall be transformed to Philosphic Mercury and be fit to be joyned with the perfect bodies.

    I could stay here and quoted all day if I wanted, but I believe that the above are enough. Now I have revealed to you all the Opus of Philalethes, with the expection of the real nature of the compound body he uses to purify mercury, which you have to find for yourself.


    You can be grateful to me now.

















    Salazius, will you share with us what happened or what you were able to accomplish after you took those pictures?
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    How do you know for sure that this or that ingredient, which you call "vulgar", is not essential for its confection? Because I have seen the signs myself, touched with my own hands the same matter, our Matter, as the Alchemists of the past, and done the Work to confirm what I know to be Truth
    touched it , as was in your possession to do so ?
    round cake or roots snowflakes ?

    How is it possible to know much about a certain substance and at the same time never have this substance at your possesion? I have read the Ancients' texts and walked in their footsteps, emulating what they did hundreds of years ago, performing the same exact Steps they carried out. Nothing has changed from then to today
    if you have done the work why don't you have it ?

    Many have thought they truly have the matter

    To be clear it is possible to make " a philosophers stone " that will confer Immortality and youth using Mercury (Rasavatham)
    but it also involves plants that only grow in South India

    There is also the " European Philosophers stone "
    which is what most of the fuss is about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post
    Hellin Hermetist, I am not an especially accomplished Adept, nor do I possess the Philosopher's Stone. All I know is that I have seen the signs the Sages wrote about, spoke about, and passed down to posterity and Brothers of the Art. Everything I have seen in my flask aligns with the words of the Ancients--everything! It is encouraging beyond belief to have put my foundation and theoretical knowledge to the test to see with my own eyes what the Masters have seen themselves and described in their books.
    So you have done the work and you have seen all the necessary signs. Why dont you have the Stone at your possession then? Have you reached one of the final stages of the coction and you have to wait one or two more months for your Stone to be ready?



    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post
    Because I have seen the signs myself, touched with my own hands the same matter, our Matter, as the Alchemists of the past, and done the Work to confirm what I know to be Truth. I have read the Ancients' texts and walked in their footsteps, emulating what they did hundreds of years ago, performing the same exact Steps they carried out. Nothing has changed from then to today.
    The same question comes again to mind. If you have done the work which the ancients did and you have seen all the necessary signs, that means that you have the Stone. Or at least that you wait for the coction to finish and in one or two months from now you will be an accomplished adept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiorionis View Post
    Personally I'd make the distinction between working with salts, metals, mineral things in order to make gold or specific particulars and working on salts, metals, mineral things.

    A similar distinction I'd make for working with vulgar substances and working on them.

    But, Salazius is the only one (as far as I know) who knows what he uses. He might even disagree with my analysis.
    Indeed.

    Wouldn't it be so nice if Salazius would speak for himself and comment or respond to the questions asked then no one would have to speculate!


    Quote Originally Posted by Kibric View Post
    touched it , as was in your possession to do so ?
    round cake or roots snowflakes ?

    if you have done the work why don't you have it ?

    Many have thought they truly have the matter. To be clear it is possible to make " a philosophers stone " that will confer Immortality and youth using Mercury (Rasavatham) but it also involves plants that only grow in South India.
    There is also the " European Philosophers stone " which is what most of the fuss is about...
    I have touched our Matter...not the Philosopher's Stone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich
    I am not an especially accomplished Adept, nor do I possess the Philosopher's Stone.
    I have not done the Work, I am doing the Work.

    The Sages say all over the place that our Matter is available to everyone, both rich and poor, so this statement alone confirms (to me) that these "plants that only grow in South India" clearly is not our Matter.

    A "European Philosopher's Stone" does not exist just as much as "a philosophers stone" does not exist. There is One Philosopher's Stone and its properties are what the Authors have described time and time again and again...

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    LOL... what is the point of this bizarre testosterone filled thread with persons testing each other???

    Maybe the title should be changed to "Who has the biggest cock in the neighborhood?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post

    Wouldn't it be so nice if Salazius would speak for himself and comment or respond to the questions asked then no one would have to speculate!
    Wouldn't it be so nice if Schmuldvich would speak for himself and comment or respond to the questions asked then no one would have to speculate!

    You expect everyone to answer your questions. Why are you ignoring Hellin Hermetist's questions? She was right when she said that you are afraid to answer questions put to you concerning your credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellin Hermetist View Post
    So you have done the work and you have seen all the necessary signs. Why dont you have the Stone at your possession then? Have you reached one of the final stages of the coction and you have to wait one or two more months for your Stone to be ready?

    The same question comes again to mind. If you have done the work which the ancients did and you have seen all the necessary signs, that means that you have the Stone. Or at least that you wait for the coction to finish and in one or two months from now you will be an accomplished adept.
    (See my previous response)

    I have not done the Work, I am doing the Work.

    I have not seen all the necessary signs, only the signs of the Gates I have entered and the Keys I have unlocked thus far.

    Again, I do not claim and have never claimed to be an accomplished Adept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    You expect everyone to answer your questions. Why are you ignoring Hellin Hermetist's questions? She was right when she said that you are afraid to answer questions put to you concerning your credibility.
    I have answered every question asked in this thread thus far (Salazius' thread which he chooses not to participate more in). Hellen posted two questions exactly 18 minutes ago which I answered exactly 4 minutes ago. Seesh! I type fast but I am not a professional transcriptionist!!! I make it a point to answer all questions asked and would love more fruitful discussions like this from other members! Can you point out a question asked to me that I have not answered?

    See here: http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showt...1122#post51122

    And here: http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showt...1127#post51127

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoas23 View Post
    LOL... what is the point of this bizarre testosterone filled thread with persons testing each other???

    Maybe the title should be changed to "Who has the biggest cock in the neighborhood?".
    I'll answer this one.....

    Join me; on a voyage of stupidity, and self discovery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=vccZSHroTG4

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    Technically, there is no "European Philosophers' Stone", considering that the European literature (both Latin and vernacular) on the subject is derived from the Arabic one, which in its turn is derived from the Byzantine (modern day Turkey) and Alexandrian (northern Egypt) ones.
    Your right
    I am using it to make a distinction between two separate methods
    One used in Siddha Alchemy
    another European/Byzantine/Egypt of course your correct
    but both share a common ingredient

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