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    Quote Originally Posted by elixirmixer View Post
    Have you ever refluxed plants before Axis?
    Yes. What I found more interesting though was refluxing common table salt partially dissolved in dew, how it changed colour over time then back to the starting colour, fascinating excercise that got me started in practical Lab Alchemy.

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    Well, I see reflux as a good place to be; thats why i've saved it for last. Using the opposites of hot/cold, is very much a hermetic principle, therefore, it has to do something. Hopefully today I can find out what that something is.

    Thank you all for your contribution. The cloth thing is probably the way to go, Maybe ill putrify before ai move forward... not sure yet.
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    I would say at least some kind of reflux is needed, but a sealed flask will sort of do this on its own. I used a martini glass to act as my rainmaker in the mentioned experiment.

    I don't have the answer, but should we also consider the natural decomposition of fallen leaves -> black hummus? That to me is the natural order of decomposition, and soil is very much alive. It is its own ecosystem filled with nematoads and mites and all manner of microscopic critters. It is far from a "sterile" environment but produces a very sweet product.

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    Heat of the air.
    Moisture and dryness with dominant dryness.
    Meaning a sauna.
    The green material will sweat out red substance. This substance.
    It is like a slight burning.
    A hot shower, just below burning temp.
    Very little water in the bottom of your vessel.

    If you are able to completely sunbleach your substance. A lower heat will extract the red liquid.
    You have to sweat it out.
    Not wash it out.
    Sauna vs. bath.

    Purification.
    Mulch is the balanced product of purification of plants. A sweet smelling earth. Yet nitrogen rich purification yields a smell like a graveyard.
    Living dirt. Sand isn't living.
    Dirt is living death of trees and is the foundation of life.
    Life is build on a living soup of death. Can I extract an oil from freshly grown dirt? Does fresh dirt have any significant value? I mean fresh dirt from a pure source.
    Anyway, purification is digestion.
    In air and without air, both forms exist.
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    I think a ENS tincture goes through a putrefaction stage(not black color) if digested long enough. I digest my ENS tinctures for around 6 months until the green matter has turned brown and definitely smells funky. I think the Oil of Tartar/Spirit can perform the putrefaction. No alcohol during this stage. It is definitely not gone bad as when I add the alcohol for getting the plant Oil the separation of the layers of the plant matter works fine.

    I have only gotten red oil from Tumeric and Myrrh ENS tinctures but the Oil of Tartar will turn red in the ENS mixture which to me is a sign of progress in the work.

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    Citing an acquintance: "Because it's red and smells good, doesn't necessarily mean it's healthy."

    I heard of people getting sick or dying after licking the stuff off their fingers they sticked in the content of their vessels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    Citing an acquintance: "Because it's red and smells good, doesn't necessarily mean it's healthy."

    I heard of people getting sick or dying after licking the stuff off their fingers they sticked in the content of their vessels.
    Agreed. Lead acetate tastes delicious. (The naturally produced acetate is red, despite that the chemical version is transparent )

    I havent worked enough on the ENS processes to comment. However, even though its got me very excited in the past, tumeric becoming red is simply because curcumin acts as a pH indicator, any basic solution will produce a redness.

    However; in certain cases, this redness will drop-out a yellow distillate, which (imo) is worth its weight in gold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elixirmixer View Post
    Agreed. Lead acetate tastes delicious. (The naturally produced acetate is red, despite that the chemical version is transparent )
    I have heard this claim before, and also supposedly green, but personally I have never seen any such thing. The only way such things could happen is if significant traces of iron, cobalt, nickel or copper were present in the lead compound that was used to prepare the acetate. The acetates of those metals are red and green. Lead acetate is always colorless without such impurities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elixirmixer View Post
    any basic solution will produce a redness.
    Did you mean to say that basic solutions produce blue colours?


    (Standard pH measurements)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiorionis View Post
    Did you mean to say that basic solutions produce blue colours?


    (Standard pH measurements)
    That depends on which indicator dye you use. Different indicators, different colors for basic and acid solutions.
    You can't say something like acids are always red and basics blue.



    That figure of the pH measurements looks similar to the universal indicator:


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