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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    To summarize the previous post:

    Upon careful reading, it becomes reasonably understandable that the time frame of 2-3 hours (ICH) or 3-4 days (Chemical Moonshine) refers in fact to bringing metallic Gold into a tinctural state, AFTER we ALREADY possess the "Universal Tincture". No specific time frame is given (in those texts) for the Work on the Universal Tincture itself.



    So, from the text, it appears that ICH's time-frame of 2-3 hours does not refer to 'Ars Brevis', but only to the fermentation/orientation with gold after having already completed the Universal Tincture (in the 'way of the poor').
    Making metallic tincture of Gold is mentioned in numerous treatises. In all of the, they mention the need to use high temps and throw philosophers stone to molten Gold and wait till the entire thing turns red. High temps by their very nautre is the quickest way to go about.

    Secondly, if you read the context in which he speaks, it becomes obvious that he is talking of preparation of the stone not of fixation of the stone to metallic kingdom. He is substituting tincture for stone when he ought to speak of stone.

    Another question to ask is why is there significant time difference in two treatises for the same operation?

    Therefore Philaletha, when speaking about the preparation of the Tincture from common Gold, says that this by no means is the true path of the wise, namely to achieve the universal medicine. This, because in the dry path the Gold, within 2 to 3 hours, is made pluperfect by means of the universal Tincture, and the tincture is perfected to and from itself in a short time without a lot of tedious work, hence they call this path the short and easy.

    From your translation, it must be asked:
    He speaks of 'Tincture from Common Gold' and then in the same line talks of 'to achieve universal medicine', Why?
    For once you resolve the above, you realise that such an operation is a practical impossibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwellings View Post
    From your translation.
    It's not my translation. While I'm multilingual, this particular translation is not mine, but the 'official' published one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwellings View Post
    He is substituting tincture for stone when he ought to speak of stone.
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwellings View Post
    Secondly, if you read the context in which he speaks, it becomes obvious that he is talking of preparation of the stone not of fixation of the stone to metallic kingdom.
    No.

    It says that in this specific operation, the gold is perfected by the "Universal Tincture" (meaning the stone, previously prepared without the use of gold).

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwellings View Post
    He speaks of 'Tincture from Common Gold' and then in the same line talks of 'to achieve universal medicine', Why?
    For once you resolve the above, you realise that such an operation is a practical impossibility.
    It's not impossible IF the gold is "tinged" by the "tincture" (=stone) so it can, in turn, "tinge" other metals. There are many textual references for this, especially those dealing with orientation.

    According to this text: In the "way of the poor", the Universal Tincture (=stone) is prepared/achieved without the use of gold. This is also referred to as 'The Path of the Wise'. The tincture/stone of this 'poor-path' is then "fermented" with gold, to "perfect" it into a tinctural state.

    I'm basically just saying what the text says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    No.

    It says that in this specific operation, the gold is perfected by the "Universal Tincture" (meaning the stone, previously prepared without the use of gold).
    Indeed, my mistake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    It's not impossible IF the gold is "tinged" by the "tincture" (=stone) so it can, in turn, "tinge" other metals. There are many textual references for this, especially those dealing with orientation.

    According to this text: In the "way of the poor", the Universal Tincture (=stone) is prepared/achieved without the use of gold. This is also referred to as 'The Path of the Wise'. The tincture/stone of this 'poor-path' is then "fermented" with gold, to "perfect" it into a tinctural state.
    Contradictory is what I meant and by taking it at face value, recognizing its practical impossibility. Anyways, we both spoke the same thing, you elaborated it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwellings View Post
    Indeed, my mistake.

    Contradictory is what I meant and by taking it at face value, recognizing its practical impossibility. Anyways, we both spoke the same thing, you elaborated it.
    Then all is well

    Thanks!

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