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  1. #121
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    The 'elementals' are the secret solvent no?
    Out of all the elements the 'elements of nature's are mere principles of matter.
    The liquid state, the gas state, the solid state. intermixed with f ure which is the 'universal solvent', and sunlight which is the metaphysical solvent. Ultraviolet rays. Uv breaks HO bonds no? It burns on a small level. Also known as an bleaching, and it is the only difference between figure and sunlight.
    Point is. Each of these elements are a solvent in themselves.
    It is after all the circulation of the elements no?
    With 3 circulating principles and two acting forces. one vulgar one celestial. Vulgar fire and celestial fire.
    I would suppose that is the complicated yet easy part.
    The hard part being refinement of the body itself.
    well what is refinement?
    well you can't get rid of the body.
    Pretending a lighter substance is the body is a trick no?
    Like saying when I die i become a ghost and so it's okay.
    No no.
    Yet then how is a body made volatile?
    By becoming smaller and smaller. Brittle and tiny like smoke. Yet without burning. A substance burned is no longer what it once was. By burning you fundamentally change a substance.
    Formerly known as Avaar186.

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    There is another option that might clear the confusion. That is the secret solvent may coagulate and become one with the substance it is dissolving in some instances and in other instances the secret solvent may dissolve a substance yet remain separate and unchanged by the reaction. What would be the cause of these two results, could it be that in one instance the solvent is alike the material it is dissolving and in the other it is unlike the material it is dissolving. Being alike could result in a closer union with that being dissolved, being unlike could result in remaining distinct from the matter it is dissolving. The result would be that in one instance you end up with a homogenus material and in the other you end up with two distinct products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luxus View Post
    There is another option that might clear the confusion. That is the secret solvent may coagulate and become one with the substance it is dissolving in some instances and in other instances the secret solvent may dissolve a substance yet remain separate and unchanged by the reaction. What would be the cause of these two results, could it be that in one instance the solvent is alike the material it is dissolving and in the other it is unlike the material it is dissolving. Being alike could result in a closer union with that being dissolved, being unlike could result in remaining distinct from the matter it is dissolving. The result would be that in one instance you end up with a homogenus material and in the other you end up with two distinct products.
    Maybe so for non-metallic matters in general. But Helmont claimed that his "alkahest" solvent remained separate from ALL substances (including metals/minerals) it would dissolve and alter, and it itself remained always unaltered while it did all that. This precludes it from being the secret solvent of the alchemists, which eventually forms a permanent union with the metals it dissolves and alters, forming wholly new substances (i.e. the alchemical "tinctures"), different from both the solvent and the metal and which never again can be reduced back to its components (i.e. the solvent and the metal.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDP View Post
    The secret solvent of the alchemists, which eventually forms a permanent union with the metals it dissolves and alters, forming wholly new substances (i.e. the alchemical "tinctures"), different from both the solvent and the metal and which never again can be reduced back to its components (i.e. the solvent and the metal.)
    I think your spot on with this line of thought JDP, this sounds like True Alchemy to me.

    This secret solvent you are talking about here correspond with the majority of what the old masters have written.

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