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    Quote Originally Posted by Weidenfeld View Post
    I think Schmid’s book could be a good starter for the subject, however, even Schmid didn’t know how to make the secret solvent or didn’t mention it.
    Which means that secret solvent was just a theoretical concept like phlogiston theory with no basis in reality .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    Therse is also a quite detailled recipie for the secret solvent in Salomon Trismosins Aureum Vellus.

    He uses Mercury, Alum, Saltpeter destilled together with ethanol. With NaCl and gold leafs you are supposed to get the stone.
    Too bad it does not work and is obviously a totally phony process (like much of Trismosin's texts, which have little to do with the Philosophers' Stone, BTW, and are mostly concerned with "particulars".) No one has ever published a totally clear instruction (with the common names of all the substances involved clearly identified & spelled out) on how to make the secret solvent. Had someone done so, alchemy would have ceased to be a "mystery" (to the average Joe) or considered an "impossibility" (by chemists and physicists) a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by True Initiate View Post
    Which means that secret solvent was just a theoretical concept like phlogiston theory with no basis in reality .
    No, it only means that he did not know how to make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z0 K View Post
    Fire and Water penetrate. Earth and Air coagulate. Fire is the Universal Solvent but not the Secret Solvent. That is an artful menstruum regulated by Fire in which Air and Earth coagulate Philosophical Matter in the vessel of our Blessed Water.

    For plants the Earth of plants is in the menstruum. For metals the earth of metals is in the menstruum. This according to Dunstan. Ripley and Kelley both had copies of Dunstan's book. Both maintained that Exact Piece of Philosophy. I'm working on it now getting the starting matter ready to expose the Elements described following the protocols of that Piece of Philosophy.

    Mistakes will be made hammering out the process but it all starts with the matter of the Secret Solvent.
    Fire as Universal Solvent makes sense. Im curious if you agree with this, or if relationships like this are useful:

    Fire penetrates Earth, Water penetrates Air
    Earth coagulates Water, Air coagulates Fire.

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    SOLVENT SECRET, SPIRITUS VINE PHILOSOPHICI ETC imho the kunkel, the plot e weindenfeld etc give all about the secret solvent philosophical some very big indication to the first base of the solvent secret so imho is very important analyzed and study deep they and about this base there are a one very interesting indication also in this VIII chapter of glauber of the Pharmacopea Spagyric when he quote basilio valentino

    GLAUBER
    PHARMACOPEA SPAGYRIC

    Chapter VIII.
    How by help of the Vegetable Fire, Mineral Fires may be extinguished, and the corrosive fiery disposition of them converted into sweetness.

    It is very well known, that the greater common Fire doth always (as often as one is set near the other) either extinguish the lesser, or cause it to languish, the same also happens to Philosophick Fires. As for example, Put into a Stone dish or Pan, Spirit of Salt, Vitriol, Niter, or Sulphur, or some other acid Spirit, and three, four, or six parts of the best Spirit of Wine which kindle, and the Spirit of Wine will burn away, but the acid Spirit through the subtility of the flame becomes sweet. Which sweet Spirits, especially that of Sulphur and Salt, manifest great Virtues in Medicine. BASIL VALENTINE speaks of the dulcified Spirit of Salt, that it extracts from Gold its Tincture; and that he, who knows how to dulcifie it, will be honoured by Philosophers. He in like manner teacheth that Spirit of Wine is seven times to be abstracted thence: Yet undoubtedly he intended not the vulgar Abstraction, but this secret Abstraction, rather, of which we now speak. Because such Spirits are not dulcified at one time, but Spirit of Wine is often to be abstracted thence by the help of Fire, before they will be sufficiently dulcified.


    about see also the pdf

    http://eprints.lincoln.ac.uk/14610/1/291006.proof.pdf
    Last edited by alfr; 01-17-2018 at 06:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiorionis View Post
    Fire as Universal Solvent makes sense. Im curious if you agree with this, or if relationships like this are useful:

    Fire penetrates Earth, Water penetrates Air
    Earth coagulates Water, Air coagulates Fire.

    ?
    Fire penetrates Air, Water and Earth. Water penetrates Air and Earth. Air coagulates Fire, Water and Earth. Earth coagulates Fire and Water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiorionis View Post
    Based off my theoretical research, the secret solvent ought to exist in all things, because it ”dissolves” all things. Or dissolves into them.
    Quote Originally Posted by JDP View Post
    Kunckel's objection to this idea was very simple: such a solvent, if it really exists, would be useless, since the operator would not be able to find a vessel in which to contain it.

    Don't electrons contradict this objection? Electrons are contained in all 'things'. They can also be accumulated and trapped. So Kunckel's perspective might be limited/obsolete?

    To be clear, I'm not saying that electrons are the secret solvent. Just using them as an analogy.

    Maybe the said solvent actually IS present in all natural matter, but very diluted and miserly.
    Maybe the goal of Alchemy is to accumulate/concentrate this secret solvent of nature until it is capable of exotic reactions.


    But like you, I have not found it yet. So it is all speculation and hearsay for now.
    Last edited by Dendritic Xylem; 01-17-2018 at 08:18 PM.

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    Fire penetrates Earth, Water penetrates Air
    Earth coagulates Water, Air coagulates Fire.

    Sounds like the game of rock-paper-scissors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dendritic Xylem View Post

    Don't electrons contradict this objection? Electrons are contained in all 'things'.
    They can also be accumulated and trapped...
    Accumulate/concentrate electrons into electric current

    Quote Originally Posted by Dendritic Xylem View Post
    Maybe the goal of Alchemy is to accumulate/concentrate this secret solvent of nature until it is capable of exotic reactions.
    Exotic reactions = fusion/fission
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dendritic Xylem View Post
    Maybe the goal of Alchemy is to accumulate/concentrate this secret solvent of nature until it is capable of exotic reactions.
    Quote Originally Posted by True Initiate View Post
    Exotic reactions = fusion/fission
    Or, looking at it another way....

    Centripetal force and centrifugal force.

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