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    Hmm, interesting...

    Centripetal force = Compressing electricity

    Centrifugal force = Expanding radioactivity

    Pay attention to the sentence coloured in red at the bottom of the page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post
    Or, looking at it another way....

    Centripetal force and centrifugal force.
    Quote Originally Posted by True Initiate View Post
    Hmm, interesting...

    Centripetal force = Compressing electricity

    Centrifugal force = Expanding radioactivity

    Pay attention to the sentence coloured in red at the bottom of the page.

    YES!!!

    I love that you have been posting so much Walter Russell lately! It seems that he, Nikola Tesla, and John Keely understood things so well that the masses don't understand (and were led to misunderstand).


    What I was getting at was that centrifugal force pushes outward from within (radiation/diffusion/expansion/decomposition/degeneration) and centripetal force pulls inward from within (compression/concentration/contraction/composition/generation).


    "Walter Russell"

    Cold contracts;
    contraction generates;
    generation heats;
    heat radiates;
    radiation expands;
    expansion cools and
    cold again contracts.

    Thus we have the cycles [Circulation] of generation, radiation and regeneration, which continue forever and forever throughout endless ages.

    Through these repeative cycles, form is "created" by the pulling inward from within pressures of generation, and is decomposed by the pushing outward from within pressures of radiation.

    In the context of this thread, if we know our Matter to be ONE (All-in-All) we see that centrifugal force separates our Matter while centripetal force coagulates our Matter into something more excellent than it was originally.

    Both forces are at play throughout our Work during the various Stages that our Matter undergoes as it is cocted towards higher perfection.

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    Exactly! Even if we are talking about the qualities of universal solvent which is able to reduce any mineral into its own constituents, electricity is the best way to do it. Secret fire of the alchemists must have been electricity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by True Initiate View Post
    Exactly! Even if we are talking about the qualities of universal solvent which is able to reduce any mineral into its own constituents, electricity is the best way to do it. Secret fire of the alchemists must have been electricity.
    Hmm....

    "Motion-in-opposition is under either preponderantly electric or magnetic domination" - Walter Russell

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    "All motion is oscillatory, swinging in sequence between two apparently opposing forces, gravitation
    and repulsion, which are respectively electric and magnetic." - Walter Russell

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    "Generation and radiation are opposites which constitute the appearance, of motion-in-opposition.

    Generation is the attractive, gravitative, positive, electric force, and radiation is the repulsive,
    emanative, negative, magnetic force." - Walter Russell

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    "Electrically generating elements and magnetically radiating lines of force are the same force exerted
    in apparently opposite directions. The former is centripetal and its direction is toward the nucleal (center
    of a closing spiral. The latter is centrifugal and its direction is away from the center toward the opening spiral).

    Their difference is but a rising or lowering of potential.

    One always becomes the other. Each is the cause of the other.

    Radio-activity is a lowering of potential into 5 higher octaves of elements of greater speed but lesser power.

    Genero-activity is the increasing of potential into lower octaves of greater power and lesser speed.

    Genero-activity builds the elements. Radio-activity tears them apart." -Walter Russell

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    "Sex is the apparent division of the One force into electricity and magnetism, two opposite forces,
    positive and negative, which are in reality but two pulsations of the One force." - Walter Russell

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    "Form of substance is electro-magnetic. This means that it is preponderantly male and preponderantly
    female in periodicity.

    All idea evolves from idea into form of idea, which in turn devolves back again into idea. Evolution
    is growth. Devolution is dissolution. Evolution is male. It is electrically preponderant. Devolution is
    female. It is magnetically dominant." - Walter Russell

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    "The dynamic energy born of the action and reaction of universal thinking is the beginning of the
    activity of that which man calls "electricity" and "magnetism" through which the universal constant of
    energy functions in the creation of separate appearances in matter by periodic changes of dimension.

    It is the beginning of apparent division of indivisible things into their apparent opposites.
    It is the beginning of sex. Sex begins when the opposites of light begin.
    It is the beginning of that which man knows as light and of the colors of light.
    It is the beginning of life." - Walter Russell

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    "As it should also by now be thoroughly understood that the words "matter" and "light" are used in
    the sense of characterizing the substance of Mind, and that the word "energy" is used in the sense of
    characterizing the force, or life principle which makes of Mind a thinking substance; that the words
    "electricity" and "magnetism" are used in the sense of characterizing the apparent division of the One
    force of energy into the appearance of two." - Walter Russell

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    "All light units of matter are given the appearance of form by the magnetic reaction of the attempt of
    electricity to seek higher pressures.
    This attempt is resisted by magnetism, and the resistance is registered in electricity as heat.
    The rebound into lower pressures and the sudden cooling of the electric whirling particle by the
    expansion of the lower pressure causes it to solidify.
    It is turned into ice. It freezes.
    It becomes what is known as "crystallic."
    All matter is crystallic. Crystallization is a dimension. It is the first appearance of 'form.
    Matter registers its energy through temperature dimension of heat and cold in solids of light which
    man calls "crystals."
    Crystals are but apparent solids of light sustained in that illusion of appearance by motion.
    Crystallization is one of the most important dimensions of the illusion of form.
    Nothing concerning the basic principle or law governing crystallization is known by modern science." - Walter Russell

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    "All of man's elements are the same in substance. Their apparent difference is due to difference in
    dimension only." - Walter Russell


    True Initiate, if by electricity you mean the attractive generative force, then sure, we agree. But I have a feeling you are referring to the modern concept of electricity, which in my opinion was not something the Ancients used to perfect our Universal Solvent.


    "Electricity is the active, attractive force within Mind which appears to concentrate, contract and
    compress the non-compressible substance of Mind into the forms created by the process of thinking,
    and to evolve those forms by raising the potential, or power dimension, of energy by accumulation.

    Magnetism is the reactive, repellant force within the substance of Mind which appears to expand the
    forms created by Mind in the process of thinking, and to accomplish their dissolution through lowering
    the potential of energy by releasing the accumulation.
    "
    - Walter Russell







    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post
    JDP,

    Do you have any experience with our Secret/Universal Solvent?

    Have you ever utilized it in your Work?
    Quote Originally Posted by JDP View Post
    SUI (Subject Under Investigation): Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah possibilities being put to the test. Trial & error and process of elimination. The only way to arrive at any correct answer. No other way. But naturally this takes a lot of time, money, patience and perseverance, no matter how many dead-ends you are confronted with. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah the large majority of seekers do not succeed. They tend to quit after only a few failures. Then out of frustration they tend to plunge into the realm of pure fantasy, like "many different paths" using all sorts of different substances and no secret solvent but all manner of different (common) solvents. Then they naturally fail again, but this time they try to disguise it by claiming success in making "other Stones" since, unlike the genuine Stone, their vulgar chemical concoctions do NOT transmute metals blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

    Short answer: NO.
    So you have no experience with our Universal/Secret Solvent yet you discard all the other [true] references and descriptions out there, and instead resonate with the opinion of Weidenfeld that there are multiple solvents out there (which there are indeed, but which are not our Universal/Secret Solvent). ...Why do you take this position?

    If you have not succeeded and do not firsthand know what you are talking about, why do you choose to deliver what you say as fact, without having any evidence even for yourself, that what you say is true?? [Not to hop on the Andro-JDP bashing train but] as a self-proclaimed empiricist AGAPDOTAJDP you sure do have your mind made up about things you have neither confirmed or denied for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post
    Not to hop on the Andro-JDP bashing train
    There's is no such "bashing train", but regardless, you've just jumped on it, right after creating it by giving it a name

    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post
    but as a self-proclaimed empiricist AGAPDOTAJDP you sure do have your mind made up about things you have neither confirmed or denied for yourself.
    Indeed - JDP, your words are not only those of a Man of Science, but also of a Man of Faith. Which I find awesome, BTW.

    Personally, I very much encourage a skeptical approach. It is a much needed commodity when practicing Alchemy. But it requires having an open mind as well, with no pre-conceived notions - to complement the skepticism and allow for genuinely lucrative research.

    Quote Originally Posted by JDP View Post
    But naturally this takes a lot of time, money, patience and perseverance, no matter how many dead-ends you are confronted with. [...] the large majority of seekers do not succeed. They tend to quit after only a few failures.
    Sometimes it is our Faith that keeps us going, even when everything else seems to have failed us so far...

    I think we can learn a lot from such exchanges. There is no "bashing train", there are no attacks of a personal nature, so I find such exchanges to have good rectification values... occasionally

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    Hi JDP and everybody

    about the solvent secret phil., spiritus vine philosophical

    JDP you have reason the key it is solvent secret philosophical and this secret key there are...
    and also Kunkel ,Plot and Weidenfeld give a very interesting indication and instruction as made IT
    as always i said (in many of my post) if we want understood the true mature as made solvent secret we must deep analyzed Kunkel , Plot, Weidenfeld etc

    but JDP is not true that the exact instruction on solvent secret never are write .. its is are write and this instruction on secret solvent and spiritus mundi philosophical are give in very clear form in some manuscript RC etc manuscript rare and very little know and unpublished and about it also there are some manuscript STRICTLY OPERATIVE also now reconized to be of weidenlfeld

    and as we will see now can see by quote of this very rare and very little know and unpublished manuscript of weidenfeld in it there are the clear explication strictly operative of the him weidenfeld prodromus ( nb imho the books prodromus it is already very generous... )
    https://www.scribd.com/document/3416...ibri-Secundi-1

    .............................

    SO NOW..
    here by this very rare and very little know and unpublished manuscript STRICTLY OPERATIVE of the WEIDENFELD on the Secret Solvent and SIRITUS VINE PHILOSOPHICAL i quote here one very interesting paragraphe

    quote :

    .... In this kingdom the specification of light is not immediately from God but mediatly or accidentally by nature, wherefore the said specifications
    are imitable by art, yea the artist often outdoes nature and highly improves her products. The artist being steadily guided by reason, removes all obstacles that lies in his way, and duely applies his principles according to certain and infallible rules, which nature cannot do, and for as much as nature in this kingdom makes all her specifications of the oleosum by means of the aridum and acidum only; the artist is not only able to imitate nature, but also to understand, a priori, all the specifications of this kingdom, from artificial principles of his own, and understands how to exalt them to such a degree, of efficacy, subtlety and penetrancy, that no vessel can be made compact enough to hold them, and thus the artist is kept from proceeding to farther degrees of exaltation: But his comfort is that as they are, they will abundantly answer his expectation. ....


    AS ALWAYS I SAY (in many of my post) FOR UNDERSTAND DEEPLY THE SOLVENT SECRET PHILOSOPHICAL WE MUST ANALYZED AND STUDY VERY DEEP THE WEIDENFELD and ITS BOOKS SECRETUM ADEPTORUN and PRODROMUS THAT THEY ARE ALREADY VERY GENEROUS and KEYS VERY IMPORTANT

    my best regard

    ps but the use and made this secret solvent and spiritus vini philosophical is not the only alchemy way
    alchemy is immense diversified and magnificent and there are in alchemy also ways in which one single material from which everything is extracted is used throughout the work
    nb in alchemy there are many way and many method and many matters (and for have peep confirmations of this is sufficient) see the original text an manuscrit operative RC thesauro theaurorun toeltis extasi secret of federico gualdi the alchemy solar text and manuscript arcana divina etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmuldvich View Post
    So you have no experience with our Universal/Secret Solvent yet you discard all the other [true] references and descriptions out there, and instead resonate with the opinion of Weidenfeld that there are multiple solvents out there (which there are indeed, but which are not our Universal/Secret Solvent). ...Why do you take this position?
    The "true" descriptions that you posted are actually a mixed bag, some of them from actual alchemists (like Ibn Umail or Artephius), and some of them from speculating "chymists" (like Boerhaave) who did not know how to prepare the said solvent and in fact often confused it with the Helmontian "alkahest", which alleged properties were quite different from those of the "water" of the alchemists. If you only had made a careful and critical comparison between the genuine alchemical sources you quoted and the speculative & confused chymical sources you also quoted, you would have grasped the easy difference.

    Did you actually bother to carefully read Weidenfeld's summary regarding this subject? It doesn't look like you did. He says that there's many alchemical "menstruums" BUT ALL BASED ON THE SAME SECRET SOLVENT, WHICH HE USUALLY LIKES TO CALL "SPIRIT OF PHILOSOPHICAL WINE", and which he clearly distinguishes from the common solvents that do not have this secret solvent as its basis and only superficially corrode metals and divide them into small particles and form salts but do not permanently remain with them (i.e. they can always be separated from the dissolved metals, and the metals are recovered just as they were before the solution.) The reason why I totally agree with what Weidenfeld says in that passage is simply because he is giving an accurate general summary of the characteristics of the alchemical solvent as explained by the alchemists themselves. Had you read alchemical literature more carefully and critically instead of accepting even obvious confused speculations by "chymists" like Boerhaave, you would see that Weidenfeld's general observations on this subject are right and totally based on actual alchemical sources. The supposed Helmontian "alkahest" HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALCHEMY AND ITS SECRET SOLVENT. IT DOES NOT REMAIN PERMANENTLY JOINED WITH THE METALLIC MATTERS IT DISSOLVES, TOTALLY THE OPPOSITE OF THE ALCHEMICAL SOLVENT.

    If you have not succeeded and do not firsthand know what you are talking about, why do you choose to deliver what you say as fact, without having any evidence even for yourself, that what you say is true?? [Not to hop on the Andro-JDP bashing train but] as a self-proclaimed empiricist AGAPDOTAJDP you sure do have your mind made up about things you have neither confirmed or denied for yourself.
    Perhaps you miss the point that I do have very good reasons to suspect what the alchemists are talking about based on actual empirical experience. Have you any knowledge of what reactions can produce from apparently "dry" and solid substances strange LIQUIDS, SOLIDS, & SEMI-SOLIDS (sometimes all three at the same time!) as the ones the alchemists describe in their books? I bet you don't (you still think they are actually talking about "one matter only" in a true quantitative sense from the very start of the operations, so how could you possibly know about any of this??? No single matter found anywhere in nature will display all the things the alchemists describe.) But I do. I have seen such reactions with my own eyes. Have you seen the "liquefying/solution", "swelling" and "blackening" of the (composite) "Magnesia" that happens during such initial operations? Nope, I don't think even for a minute that you actually have (for reasons already explained.) And obviously not just about any combination of substances will bring about such reactions that give rise to such strange byproducts. But like I said, this subject takes a lot of time and effort to unravel. Even when you are "on the right track" it is not easy to figure out and hit on the best combinations and methods.

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    Have you any knowledge of what reactions can produce from apparently "dry" and solid substances strange LIQUIDS, SOLIDS, & SEMI-SOLIDS (sometimes all three at the same time!) as the ones the alchemists describe in their books? I bet you don't
    you can bet all you like, its just your opinion
    No single matter found anywhere in nature will display all the things the alchemists describe.
    as far as you know from your own experience
    your personal conjecture

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    Kibric is right, JDP. Your own arguments can indeed be held against you here.
    Unless you are not willing to give instructions to at least some reactions to have your above written obeservations verified by others too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibric View Post
    you can bet all you like, its just your opinion
    It might sound like just an "opinion" to you because you are not familiar with such empirical facts, but to those who have stumbled upon them and seen them with their own eyes and carried them out with their own hands it is no "opinion" but just plain facts. And more importantly, they fit very nicely with a lot of what the alchemists themselves describe. "Coincidence"? Remains to be seen yet, but sounds very unlikely. I don't believe in "coincidences", not when the similarities are so blatant!

    And BTW, these byproducts come from real, factual, tangible, visible substances, available to anyone (yes, you included), so it is not the same as a certain "something" pulled pretty much out of "nowhere" and supposedly found "everywhere" but yet mysteriously not seen or detected even by the modern apparatuses of physics (!?!?) which can detect even such "invisible" and "intangible" things as microwaves, yet the alchemists themselves could not even discover something as relatively tangible as oxygen, which was literally right under their noses, and that simply just because they could not actually see it. Go figure! The alchemists were excellent experimenters, but with things they could actually see with their eyes and directly manipulate with their hands. Throw in even something as simple as invisible gases and they were hopelessly stumped and could not adequately explain even relatively simple things like calcination and combustion. Such was the mental framework of the alchemists. So it is not an analogous case. The first one is well within the realm of historical possibility and reality, the second one isn't and it sounds just like an unproven speculative/theoretical flight of fancy from some centuries past.

    as far as you know from your own experience
    your personal conjecture
    Not just my experience, but the collective experience of all seekers, chymists and chemists through the centuries who submitted virtually all single naturally-occurring substances they could lay their hands on to analysis. None of them display all the things the alchemists talk about. There is no such "one matter" found already made in nature that can do all the things the alchemists describe . But what you can find in nature are the substances used for preparing that "one matter" (in outward appearance) yourself.

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