DMT is the Stone

[elixirmixer]

Hey Awani, I havent been able to gain the clarity to cleanse my body, and so I was thinking about having an Ayuaska adventure anyway. What are your thoughts?

Also, I believe that the "older" tradition of Islam is in fact Christianity. The Quoran speaks a lot about Jesus, John the Baptist, Elijah, Moses ect... and we know Christ was hebrew, and we know that the Hebrews learned Hermerics from the Egyptians. These Egyptians were certainly involved with somw Shamanic cultures, for example, the Australian Aboriginals.

Love the pic of the Muslim on acid. Regards.

[Awani]

Hey Awani, I havent been able to gain the clarity to cleanse my body, and so I was thinking about having an Ayuaska adventure anyway. What are your thoughts?

If you can't achieve the clarity to cleanse your body, how can you be prepared to cleanse your mind?

I believe that the "older" tradition of Islam is in fact Christianity.

See this.

But in all those religions there were "older traditions" that were adopted into the religions.

You mention the Egyptians and the Australian Aboriginals. What is the connection?

[elixirmixer]

The two races are the only ones recorded to have types of boomerangs. They have also recently found evidence of Egyptian hyroglyphics in Sydney Australia. 3 of the worlds best egyptologists verified there authenticity; only then to be paid of by 'the system' and later deny their authenticity. But it seemed highly suspicious that they were all in total agreement originally and then all of a sudden changed their minds.

There must be some other evidences, because my grade 5 teacher taught me about it at school aswell.

[Awani]

Ah yes... You should read Bruce Fenton's "The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution". Had him on the podcast as well.

The Into Africa Theory disputes the claims of Out of Africa and Out of Asia (or Europe) adherents over the starting point for the migration which populated Eurasia approximately 60,000 years ago and identifies the actual location.

Amazing facts that you will encounter:

- Homo heidelbergensis was not ancestral to modern humans

- Denisovan fossils in Siberia carried DNA from Australian Aboriginals

- An Indonesian supervolcano brought about the end for multiple hominin species

- Climate catastrophe locked humans in Africa from 73,000 to 59,000 years ago

- There is no African fossil DNA over 10,000 years in age

- While supposedly isolated, Aboriginal Australians interbred with Denisovans 44,000 years ago

[White Belt]

Keep in mind this guy never left his chair.

I think I get what you mean, as in he never took the drugs??

Because if you are trying to say he didn't know what he was talking about you are way wrong. His theory was that Yoga did not come from Vedic literature but from an older source of origin, IE Shamanism.

He was not an expert in Shamanism though in that respect you are correct. He was a professor of Hinduism and Buddhism. His whole purpose for writing his book Shamanism was to search for the oldest source of all religion. So he sought out in his opinion the oldest and most archaic form he could find.

Some of the most interesting shamanic practices ever recorded are written about in his book. Not sure if you have read it or didn't like it? I loved it! He sounds like a skeptic who can't believe what is happening around him.

As to what the tree picture is... I have a hard time wrapping my head around the mushroom theory. Just looks like confirmation bias.

[Awani]

I think I get what you mean, as in he never took the drugs??*

Because if you are trying to say he didn't know what he was talking about you are way wrong.

In many ways he did... but he ALSO did not know what he was talking about.

I mean that he did all his research in his chair. He never, as far as I know, even met a Shaman... nor did he visit any indigenous communities... but worst of all he classifies shamanism without "psychedelic plants" as a lesser form. I am from the "school" that shamanism "without" such plants is a form of shamanism that is severely crippled.

Are you using the term "confirmation bias" when discussing the Garden of Eden? LOL. No one knows for sure anything about the Bible, so no one can really "confirm" anything. To me the evidence is pretty obvious.



* I personally dislike using the term "drugs"... everything is a drug... but most people don't have that view, and they use the term drugs to describe heroin, coke etc... and I don't think psychedelic plants deserve the use of the term drugs.

[Warmheart]

Mode note: Posts moved from here

I have gained all the knowledge I could ever need, and the wisdom and understanding to know that its irrelevant, as is the notion of power. I have been shown, directly, how All is One, very literally, how time is malleable construct just like the rest of the creation (matter, energy, etc), how it all weaves and flows and spirals, and turns in on itself; how it is absolutely perfect, and not just the big things - but the small, intricate, and personal goings-ons of each experience and daily life, struggle, success, failure, birth, death, etc.
The irony is that my original goal to obtain such an understanding, has shown how silly that goal was. lol
All of it is silly, and thats why its a divine comedy - a perfect joke.

That is a very good experience. This is a big accomplishment, which is Siddhi, it allows you to enter the mind of any person, to see whereabouts of any thing and many other wonderful things - at least that's when we speak about authentic Siddhi.

Either it is your Russian language translated into English, or it is simply the way you are or present yourself... but I always "hear" your posts in a very cynical, negative or depressed way. Probably projection on my part.

In either case concerning improvements I think they can be life changing... and it can take months or years for the changes to be visible/noticeable.

Actually I am totally not cynical/negative or depressed That's why I always point it out. People can do various funny stuff in this world, get thrill from it, good or bad experience, etc. But I don't think it is right to give things the names which aren't appropriate.

Psychodelic stuff is a big no-no in authentic Traditions, with some exceptions, but those exceptions and exceptional practices have very specific rules and goals. One of the reasons why it is so, is because vulgar use of this stuff gives you nothing but illusions and it is capable of fracturing your spirit and weakening you in many ways.

I don't like Christianity and Bible, but they have some of their own little interesting things, and some of their Russian esoteric movements describe the dangers of illusions - those which can be produced by psychodelics and which can be produced by various practices. They call it "falling into the beauty" ("vpadenie v prelest'"). I am not sure if they use different name for it in English language, but so is its name in Russian.

People can do what they want, can get fun the way they want, can use whatever they want. It is all fine for as long as they don't say it is "Philosopher's Stone" or "the way of Tibetan Monks". How can you consider psychodelics be part of it when they are frowned upon by old Traditions?

Pride is big obstacle for many practitioners. They think that they experienced something outstanding, while it is just some useless child toys. You think that people of the past never tried that stuff? Would they spend their time writing huge books and guiding their disciples if it is all about getting smoke of some stuff and there you go?

Yet again, I am not against if people like to use psychodelics I am not saying that it is good or bad I am simply against profanation of old teachings. I wasn't entering such threads until attempts to name this stuff as P.S. and putting it on par with Eastern Traditions.

With warm friendly love to you all

[Awani]

Psychodelic stuff is a big no-no in authentic Traditions... when they are frowned upon by old Traditions?

Here you are totally wrong in my opinion. Please read this post for details on "my" model.

Shamanism is the name of the game. And psychedelics + shamanism are 100 % connected. This is without a doubt. Any other tradition that you seem to rate "important" are only an offspring of shamanism in the grand scheme of things. The only reason "later" traditions are revered and studied by modern humans is because shamanism is an experiential tradition and and oral tradition i.e. no books.

You think that people of the past never tried that stuff? Would they spend their time writing huge books and guiding their disciples if it is all about getting smoke of some stuff and there you go?

I know people have used psychedelics in the past, in fact it is the basis for the whole evolution of the human race up until what Terence McKenna calls the entry of the Dominator Culture... what I call the rise of the Paternal Culture (inspired by another thread with Andro).

... if it is all about getting smoke of some stuff and there you go?

Yes, is it not ironic. LOL. However it is not that simple. Smoking it is not the whole story... the integration can take weeks, months and years... for some a whole lifetime... keep in mind that smoking DMT is "not" a traditional method... that is something "new" in a sense. I personally rate other psychedelics higher like ayahuasca and iboga, and they should be used in a traditional ceremonial setting.

However many people do not have that possibility, financial or otherwise, and therefore smokeable DMT is a good option and completely valid in my opinon. And for many people smoking DMT is very difficult. It is not easy. Even Seth-Ra might have the most difficult experience ahead of him... we shall see...

We can call whatever we want the Philosopher's Stone, we can call whatever we want whatever we want. You don't have the authority nor does anyone else... but in my experience, and based on my research, DMT is more The Stone than anything else I have come across... especially if you receive it orally rather than smoking it. Even though both contain DMT there is a clear and distinct difference that cannot be argued, in my opinion.

Now if someone creates "another" type of alchemical stone in order to make gold or prolong life, and they want to call it "The Stone"... sure go right ahead... I don't care. For me those are not valid reasons to make a Stone... and "this" Stone I speak of have far greater advantages and healing properties, not only in this life but in the next. I'm in it for the long haul...

[Seth-Ra]

That is a very good experience. This is a big accomplishment, which is Siddhi, it allows you to enter the mind of any person, to see whereabouts of any thing and many other wonderful things - at least that's when we speak about authentic Siddhi.

Psychodelic stuff is a big no-no in authentic Traditions, with some exceptions, but those exceptions and exceptional practices have very specific rules and goals. One of the reasons why it is so, is because vulgar use of this stuff gives you nothing but illusions and it is capable of fracturing your spirit and weakening you in many ways.

You should watch this:



After the first experience or so, and having spent over half my life practicing "traditional" practical alchemy, and even utilizing some really dangerous elements like we know for a fact the ancients did, a lot, I came to the same conclusion as the guy in the video here, who has studied and teaches traditional internal methods. Practical lab alchemy's stones, when ingested by a person, trigger the "death sequence" so that the brain will produce and use its own DMT - body, in accordance with the Spirit and Will, can then rework those materials and recover, even improve the health. But its triggering the same mental and spiritual effect - and its the mental and spiritual goings-ons that are handling and changing the body.
In ancient china, those who drank the mercury and sulfur concoction considered to be the "elixir of immortality", and died while under its influence, were said to be blessed and immortal. (no doubt because it triggered their death sequence... though a bit to well - but the goal was the deeper experience, not terrestrial/fractal continuation.)

I don't like Christianity and Bible, but they have some of their own little interesting things, and some of their Russian esoteric movements describe the dangers of illusions - those which can be produced by psychodelics and which can be produced by various practices. They call it "falling into the beauty" ("vpadenie v prelest'"). I am not sure if they use different name for it in English language, but so is its name in Russian.

People are daily blinded by illusions and their own presumptions of reality. Such is their default method, until the Macro shows them The Truth. (which, like death, is inevitable. )
The goal, as they say, is "to die before you die, so that you won't die when you die."

People can do what they want, can get fun the way they want, can use whatever they want. It is all fine for as long as they don't say it is "Philosopher's Stone" or "the way of Tibetan Monks". How can you consider psychodelics be part of it when they are frowned upon by old Traditions?

All the oldest traditions either used outside sources, or physical practices that triggered internal reactions that are the same thing. (especially DMT)

Pride is big obstacle for many practitioners. They think that they experienced something outstanding, while it is just some useless child toys. You think that people of the past never tried that stuff? Would they spend their time writing huge books and guiding their disciples if it is all about getting smoke of some stuff and there you go?

They wrote about a Microcosm of the Macrocosm - about being able to have all obscurity flee from you, to see the underlining workings of the totality of creation and to have apotheosis, which is the union with what we call God, and they wrote books showing symbols, words, processes, experiments, using sound, thought, nature itself, as the very sign-posts to the Microcosmic Stone, which is also not a stone, but is the Singularity of the All, as One, within itself, for us - the fractals of itself. Its a miraculous gift, and its literally everywhere and yet still hidden...

Many wrote books and trained disciples towards a lot less; the nature of earthly/conditional love, law, base sciences, philosophy, math, war and strategy... all tiny, fractal, insignificant (though important), pieces of that Macrocosmic Arcana that the shamans sang of, the priests worshipped and devoted to, the mystery schools studied and taught of, and the alchemists actively, practically, sought after. Simplicity is its secret.

Yet again, I am not against if people like to use psychodelics I am not saying that it is good or bad I am simply against profanation of old teachings. I wasn't entering such threads until attempts to name this stuff as P.S. and putting it on par with Eastern Traditions.

With warm friendly love to you all

I think its important to note the differences here in a "general psychedelic", like opium, cocaine, even caffeine, vs those things which are the epitome of sacred and do have a tradition of being so; namely what this thread is about: DMT.

Everyone knows the toad symbolism of alchemy, but did you know there is a toad who's venom contains DMT?

Thats not even counting the sacred acacia tree of the jews/christians/masons, etc - or the ayahuasca of the amazonian shamans... or as mentioned above, the countless ways of pushing the body's own production of it which is on par with the rituals and bodily sacrifice and isolation performed by many mystery sects, prophets, etc throughout the ages.
There's a better case for it being, than not being - especially once you've experienced it, rather than speculate about it.

Even Seth-Ra might have the most difficult experience ahead of him... we shall see...

Maybe so; and if so, I welcome it.



~Seth-Ra

[Andro]

I am a very independent person

Could do everyone some good to read "The Book of Job" every now and then.
We're independent until some shit happens happens and then we become dependent.
Some people go as far as take their own lives rather than become dependent (for reasons such as old age, disease, poverty/bankruptcy, etc...)