Physical Immortality... on THIS Earth?

[Kiorionis]

I just reread parts of my copy of the Hui-Ming Ching (translated by Eva Wong), and I see you’re correct that this has some Buddhist ties, but also talks about the Tao. Maybe it’s a mix...

Personally, I think you’re misinterpreting the concept of the “Fetus”

[Luxus]

I just reread parts of my copy of the Hui-Ming Ching (translated by Eva Wong), and I see you’re correct that this has some Buddhist ties, but also talks about the Tao. Maybe it’s a mix...

Personally, I think you’re misinterpreting the concept of the “Fetus”

Yes chan/Zen Buddhism has concepts within it almost identical to the Dao as I understand it.

[Awani]

Man should be afraid of death, because it will also be the real death of his real ego forever. I think it would be wrong to achieve such death while still alive by following destructive teachings of blind "enlightened" guides. When man awakens from animalistic sleep, the first thing he realizes is that death IS real and absolute and something must be done about it.

I don't agree with this at all.

Death is an embrace. Nothing to fear. If a teaching works, how can it be destructive? You can teach me how to light a fire... and then I can use your teaching and light a fire in my bed right before going to sleep... the destructive tendencies does not stem from the "blind" teacher per se, but rather from the "deaf" student.

[Warmheart]

I don't agree with this at all.

Death is an embrace. Nothing to fear. If a teaching works, how can it be destructive? You can teach me how to light a fire... and then I can use your teaching and light a fire in my bed right before going to sleep... the destructive tendencies does not stem from the "blind" teacher per se, but rather from the "deaf" student.

It might be possible to throw out the child with the bath While there is false ego, which really stand on the way, it is possible to get rid of your real Self while fighting with false ego.

What concerns death, it was depicted by old nations as huge horrific crocodile. In many old books, most of which aren't translated to European languages, it is clearly said: Man, use this unique opportunity in this life, save yourself, because death is real and you will disappear forever if you don't use the chances.

Western religions made up myths about inherent immortality of the soul to comfort those who is afraid of mortality of the body - that's the main point of confusion for many people. Soul isn't inherently immortal. As above, so and below, when man dies, his soul will also quickly start decaying in order to give life to other mortal beings. And so that soul will die and will be gone forever, only its reflection will stay in the subtle Earth sphere.

That's my view on it, I don't pretend to be speaking ultimate truths. Just personally I'd rather do anything I can to avoid putrefaction of the soul (and, if possible - physical body too) than rely on words of people that immortality is given as granted or that there is nothing scary about death (I had death experiences, it is horrible, appreciate the life - it is PRICELESS). Alchemy allows to make Ultimate Medicine - against death. I am not sure why people overlook that and put all their attention into gold making, as if they can take the gold beyond the grave

[Andro]

Soul isn't inherently immortal. As above, so and below, when man dies, his soul will also quickly start decaying in order to give life to other mortal beings. And so that soul will die and will be gone forever

Quoth Cyliani:

"Only man's form perishes. The spirit, for which the soul serves as a tie or an envelope, separates itself and man's form, deprived of this vital celestial spirit, is delivered to the reaction of its constituent principles. Spirit and soul live then spiritually in seeking the centers that are suitable to them and, after the lapse of a certain time, man or the being or the spirit or the spiritual life which goes on always perfecting itself, separates itself from his soul or from his glorious envelope to enter into its universality. This means that man dies twice. That is to say, twice changes his form. But man or the spirit lives eternally."

[Awani]

Western religions made up myths about inherent immortality of the soul to comfort those who is afraid of mortality of the body - that's the main point of confusion for many people.

Well the best source for me is the people with the most experience i.e. the indigenous... since they have mostly kept their traditions for longer than the West has even existed... and the common feature in indigneous mythology is best said by quoting the Aboriginal people of Australia:

“We are all visitors to this time, this place.
We are just passing through.
Our purpose here is to observe, to learn, to grow, to love…
and then we return home.”

What concerns death, it was depicted by old nations as huge horrific crocodile...

Sounds like crocodile tears to me.

Just personally I'd rather do anything I can to avoid putrefaction of the soul (and, if possible - physical body too)...

If you don't surrender yourself to the concept of death, then you are going to have a very shitty ride... you will face it no matter what you do... that is a promise, the only certain thing I can really say. You will die.

Either you go like this...



Or like this...

[Awani]

...than rely on words of people that immortality is given as granted or that there is nothing scary about death (I had death experiences, it is horrible, appreciate the life - it is PRICELESS). Alchemy allows to make Ultimate Medicine - against death.

I have had death experiences as well... personal and people around me... some that died for "real"... and I agree that life is priceless... but you know what... Bob Dylan made great music and great art BUT WHY WILL HE NOT FUCKING STOP TOURING AND MAKING MUSIC... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... GIVE IT UP!!!

Are you the type of house guest that does not know when to leave?

[Andro]

Years before he died, Tom Petty sang this simple message: "I guess I'll know when I get there."

Or not...

To me, this pretty much sums it up.

Meanwhile, we shall live (and die?) according to our own convictions. Hopefully not too rigidly so.

[Awani]

[elixirmixer]

I figure that the basic idea here is vibration.

For instance, you need a certain amount of energy, a certain vibration, before you can seperate the astral matrix from the physical body.

Once there, then again, depending on your vibration, you can travel to different spheres of intelligence (you travel to the place that corresponds to your energy)

I believe the whole, "Good people go to Heaven, bad people go to hell" Argument is talking specifically about the vibration of the individual and what area of the astral world it corresponds with.

For instance, lets say you spend your days chronically masterbating, you age quickly and reach the end of your life having achieved little else for anyone but yourself and your balls are bone dry....

What type of energy does the soul then have? After you die, you enter the Astral realm. If you enter the Astral realm, then some stuff is going to happen... like....

You could get scared! Now... remember this is not an adept. This is a balls dry atheist loser. He has just entered the Spirit World. He is going to be scared, with low energy.

His fear will attract the Sharks of the astral realm; which will gladdly escort him to places of even more fear; which correspond perfectly with the low energy, loser soul we are dealing with.

NOW... Lets say we grab Awani and slit his throat.

Awani is not going to face death with nearly the amount of fear and anxiety that our dry balled friend had a moment ago.

He is going to feel more familiar with the process of separating from his body; because he took the time and effort during his waking life to experience and learn about it.

1 point up on Awani; no, to minimum Shark concerns.

Secondly; Awani's soul is going to be of a higher vibration because of his humanitarian love and spiritual practises. So when Awani dies; his soul will naturally gravetate to a place of a higher vibration in the astral realm.

This is why i believe that Death is somethi g that you are suppose to realize is not a great thing; and prepare for it, in which case, if prepared for well; could be the ultimate orgasmic release into infinity.

I vote Yes for Death Preparation.