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    I tried to reply to your PM FF but your inbox is full; but basically what i was going to say is that you should cool your reciever and you should also provably keep your device completely out of sunlight. Only perform these operations from about mid-night until just before the sun rises.

    Keep it up!!
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    Thanks EM,

    I will do a third round with an again modified setup soon. Andro wrote me some very useful hints too.

    I know a lot of sources speak of keeping light completely out of some processes. I know that this can be important especially when silversalts (for example AgNO3) are involved.
    Others seem to speak of collecting the dew at night and at daytime.

    I still am very sceptic about the dew having different qualities than ordinary water (with the same quantity of components soluted in) or dew collected at different times of a day, or dew collected the ordinary and in former times quite popular way (mutus liber).
    Maybe I will do another experiment to compare those waters.

    The instructions for this setup however give a (at least to me) more reasonable timeframe, that is when the dew production of nature is very high too.

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    I went back to my first setup and just cooled the receiver.

    There was a very small amount of water inside after letting the setup run a few hours around sunset.

    It is not much and the whole thing can surely be further improved. But if you have time and nerves you could collect useful quantities of this “undetermined“ water in a few nights.

    It was shown that “something“ happens using this device and that it fits to the description of what should happen.




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    Any update?

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    Nope.
    But I think Elixirmixer did a great job with his "SM Super Sucker".
    Anyway, maybe I will come back to this setup if those R+C MS will show up. Andro promised to look them up but said he is quite busy these days, so we may need to wait a while.

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    I will add my 2 cents on what i think is missing here.



    1. Heating necesarry for creating imbalance

    2. KOH as a magnet for "dew" and a separator (as hinted by Salazius)

    3. Separated SM that needs to be cooled as much as possible otherwise it stays invisible and escapes
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    Do you want to use KOH because, or despite of the author of Hermetic Recreations saying (twice) that to the work no salts are needed (p. 33 and 49)?

    Further he says on p.49 that no alembic is needed. That rules out the setup seen on the picture of the R+C setup in Beyer's book. On the other hand on p. 57 he orders to distill "the spirit". I wonder how he did it without the alembic. Maybe a retort was used? Strange..

    But, he clearly mentions the need of an apparatus, which obviously doesn't look like those of the R+C and Bacstrom for reasons stated above.

    Andro pointed out several times that common fire or heat is the agens. Obviously the opposite must be the patiens. All the pictures and texts show agens and patiens close to each other (together in one flask), or being/getting one, so I wouldn't seperate it too far, like you suggested.

    Further I'm curious about that part in Hermetic Recreations where it's written about the matter to be found everywhere man goes. The french original says "l'homme" here, which excludes women imo.

    Could it be that those kind of alchemists were/are all wankers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    Do you want to use KOH because, or despite of the author of Hermetic Recreations saying (twice) that to the work no salts are needed (p. 33 and 49)?

    Further he says on p.49 that no alembic is needed. That rules out the setup seen on the picture of the R+C setup in Beyer's book.

    But, he clearly mentions the need of an apparatus, which obviously doesn't look like those of the R+C and Bacstrom for reasons stated above.

    Andro pointed out several times that common fire or heat is the agens. Obviously the opposite must be the patiens. All the pictures and texts show agens and patiens close to each other (together in one flask), or being/getting one, so I wouldn't seperate it too far, like you suggested.

    Further I'm curious about that part in Hermetic Recreations where it's written about the matter to be found everywhere man goes. The french original says "l'homme" here, which excludes women imo.

    Could it be that those kind of alchemists were/are wankers?
    Immediately, without any doubt whatsoever, question the sincerity or the acquaintance with the subject of anyone who tells you that alchemy has nothing to do with retorts, flasks, alembics, etc., and actually requires something weird that the bulk of actual alchemists knew nothing about. They are either maliciously trying to deceive you into blind alleys or are themselves deceived.

    Regarding "l'homme": besides literally meaning "man", it also means "mankind" in general (i.e. both men and women)

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us...nglish/l-homme

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDP View Post
    Immediately, without any doubt whatsoever, question the sincerity or the acquaintance with the subject of anyone who tells you that alchemy has nothing to do with retorts, flasks, alembics, etc., and actually requires something weird that the bulk of actual alchemists knew nothing about. They are either maliciously trying to deceive you into blind alleys or are themselves deceived.
    In the timeframe between my post and your answer, I edited the post (see the part, where he actually orders to distill - but he could also mean "evaporate", as what is distilled seems to be not needed anymore afterwards).

    Regarding "l'homme": besides literally meaning "man", it also means "mankind" in general (i.e. both men and women)

    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us...nglish/l-homme
    That interpretation increases the number of possibilities and rule out two body fluids at the same time.

    I know what you think about these kind of operations. But there seems to be quite some connections of this work to others which seem to have a common origin (Compass of the Wise?). They all mention similar/the same observations after these operations. As I said before, I don't think all those guys were liars (though possible). And there seems to be a connection to Fulcanelli, who seemed to like this "path". This can be seen as he suspiciously often use the same vocabulary like used in those sources (including the books by I.C.H. and Palmer).

    BTW. Does anyone have this text by Palmer (the familiar astrologer)? It should be legal to distribute it for free, shouldn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    Do you want to use KOH because, or despite of the author of Hermetic Recreations saying (twice) that to the work no salts are needed (p. 33 and 49)?

    Further he says on p.49 that no alembic is needed. That rules out the setup seen on the picture of the R+C setup in Beyer's book. On the other hand on p. 57 he orders to distill "the spirit". I wonder how he did it without the alembic. Maybe a retort was used? Strange..
    Don't mix up different paths with one another. KOH in this path is used to separate the water from the SM before SM appears in flask nr.3
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