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    Ancient Chinese Secret Revealed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYdX5IP7lOE&feature=youtu.be&t=375

    not sure that youtube embed video worked so here is another link.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYdX...nycballer4life

    Skip to 6 min. 15 seconds good stuff ends at 7:11- Never mind the actual movements Sifu is doing here as its completely irrelevant and not a "recipe". This is a good little video it shows everything through narration and cool little animations. This is how I interpret these concepts and the whole idea of "magnets" and the replication of a process in nature that is found everywhere... It all starts here with this most basic stuff standing posture and breathing, that's the key breathing. The equilibrium, the balance, the center. Lots to add here but not sure I should continue...
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    Nice videos

    The equilibrium, the balance, the center.
    " The way of natures root " ?

    but not sure I should continue.
    Why ?. Someone somewhere sometime already has, why not you to ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibric View Post
    Nice videos


    " The way of natures root " ?


    Why ?. Someone somewhere sometime already has, why not you to ?
    Sometimes I feel like people just don't give a care, or aren't interested in the connection? I am not sure. But I will write something anyway.

    The work or hard work is one of the many translations of Qi gong. Gong denotes years of dedication, a practice that one has devoted many hours to perfect. Hard work or prolonged effort, cultivated over a period of time typically years. But you don't have to spend years at it. It just takes effort.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPl8...nycballer4life

    The basic practice of sitting and keeping your mind on the three things, posture, breath and focus will cultivate energy for lack of a better term in the dan tien or lower cauldron. At around 3 minutes in this video the concept of breathing, and pushing the Qi or Chi to a certain part of the body, skin or bones is mentioned.

    Slow or fast breathing can develop different types of Qi. I have found vastly different states of consciousness are accessed through slow or fast breathing to use simple terms. Stanislov Grof is well known for creating a method of called Holotropic breathwork. Our bodies are like a computer and can be hacked in a way through these different breathing, for example the creator of Chi Kung is DaMo or Bodhidharma not Chinese but a Hindu monk. He handed down 800 different breathing methods after staring at a cave for 9 years.

    Some of these "technology" to "hack" the body in a sense are very simple like breathing fast or slow. Let me define what I mean by slow before we move on to fast and then I will provide some technology or techniques as an example if that is interesting to some.

    Breathing for most people when they begin meditation or whatever is something like 6 seconds breathing in and 6sec. breathing out. As you develop your breathing its like lifting weights and soon you will advance to breathing 8sec. in 8sec. out or 10sec in 10sec out maybe in a matter of minutes after getting comfortable you can push further without straining too hard. After months of practice you should be reaching periods of 18sec in 18sec out.

    This will quickly advance and when you are doing something like 20+ seconds in breath and out breath that is almost half a minute of just the space of one breath for you. Perception of time changes greatly after just this simple stage of practice that most people can easily reach if they spent at least 30 days working on it. So at this point your heart slows down, your mind will shriek at you that you are dying by depriving your body of this much air especially as you are breathing out. Our minds are little bitches just tell it to calm down and everything is moving forward. All the crazy mystical shit people talk about happens with just this much effort, probably takes a little getting used to thats why it takes about 60-90 days, for all my students that has always been the guarantee.

    To add some complexity to the breathing after breathing in for 12sec and out 12sec you can hold your breath at some point. So example breath in 12sec. hold for 3sec. breath out for 12sec. hold for 3sec rinse, repeat. etc.

    Or a great one is something like changing the pace of your breathing as in three sharp exhales to empty all the oxygen in your lungs (called Emptying makes the wheezing sound) then three deep inhales at half or quarter breath.

    So you can see clearly there are many methods of breathing and they can be altered to change the technique in a way to add levels of complexity that is beyond just sitting in a comfortable posture and relaxing. This is some shamanic technology. Altering your state of mind, using various methods like fasting,breathing,dancing.

    I would like to move on to the concepts mentioned as a mental projection of a psychic body. I think incorrectly its been translated into american Yoga schools and Tai Chi schools as mere "visualization".

    At this point in the story Chinese Kung Fu becomes intertwined with Astrological influence. For some reason that is beyond my understanding the martial arts styles that were birthed out of this period of mixing China and India from Bodhidharma have astrological implications and they bleed into the actual names of the various styles and art forms and physical practices.

    At around min5:30 in this video the concept of electro conductive materials in our body operating in our blood and skin by biochemical reactions of food and air assimilation and the living field of electromagnetic influence generated by this internal circuitry as well as electro motive forces generated by the mind is mentioned. By squeezing the bones or internal systems a piezoelectric field is generated. Bones are found to be particularly piezoelectric. https://www.bjultrasonic.com/piezoelectricity-in-bone/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhoV...nycballer4life

    At 3min into this video the concept of the internal organs acting as bioelectric batteries is pictured here as a golden egg. The lower cauldron or elixir field called the dan tien.

    I hope at least this far with the imagery provided, the concept of an energetic body or a self contained universe and its relationship to the outer planetary bodies and how their magnetic forces influence us or can be manipulated through these breathing techniques is laid out. Nature is where all of this is accomplished, and the internal alchemy uses the image of the comsic egg, the womb, the cauldron to cook with the fire of the breath all of these components of nature inside man, the flask. At least that is how I was taught.

    Too many of these types of lessons end up in some mythical power touted by some guru or teacher. Someone always mentions a Siddha or some other wild mystic teacher guru who is the only one with the power and truth blah blah. I like the Terrence Mckenna quote "Avoid guru's, follow plants."

    In my experience a simple awareness of nature, practicing some of these techniques breathing postures and "visualizations" will lead just about anyone down this sacred path (as well as an occasional dose of magic mushrooms) no need for all the fancy mystery anymore since there is a lot of actual evidence scientific and anecdotal to provide a good road map for anyone else who is interested and never tried it before.

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    Man from the video suffers from alopecia (with some other vulgar signs of age, which oftentimes are absent in people who simply follow healthy lifestyle).

    I might be misunderstanding something here, but what is an actual result of these exercises, and what inner alchemy should accomplish?

    Please, don't take it personally, judging from your posts you are a very cool guy I am asking it without any second thought.

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    Physiological results

    Quote Originally Posted by Warmheart View Post
    Man from the video suffers from alopecia (with some other vulgar signs of age, which oftentimes are absent in people who simply follow healthy lifestyle).

    I might be misunderstanding something here, but what is an actual result of these exercises, and what inner alchemy should accomplish?

    Please, don't take it personally, judging from your posts you are a very cool guy I am asking it without any second thought.
    Don't trip I am not easily offended over the Internet. It's fair to assume that we all suffer from disease, sickness, and age. Tai Chi and Chi Kung just slow down some of these process and allow through excsercise the body to boost the immune system to prevent further damage, nothing too mystical really. I have a book by Dr. Roger Jahnke that is full of medical and scientific research studies providing statistical data regarding biological and physiological changes in the body and brain. Actually after a quick google

    Here is a link to a comprehensive list by the same Dr. Roger Jahnke (he's a cool guy who plays a Chinese dizi flute during his class) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3085832/

    It's a 56 page review so clearly there are many benefits at least from a scientific western or medical viewpoint.

    But what is the point of anything? Not sure since everything s meaningless but I find great value for a number of reasons in these practices.

    First and foremost for me is the ability to access altered states of consciousness, this is in my opinion the golden thread. The book 'Inner Paths to Outer Space' by Dr. Rick Strassman the guy famous for writing 'DMT The Spirit Molecule' does a good job xplaining this.

    Sorry trying to keep it simple stupid and it turns all mystical fuck it

    The internal organs have relationships (I don't pretend to understand fully) to planets. Somehow when turning our eyes inward we are able to send our thoughts (Chinese say chi follows thought/intent) to these organ systems in our body. When your mind travels internally I have found it is a profound experience and I can only describe it as traveling.

    I go somewhere,when I arrive there I am aware of it as in the thought "I am here" or "I made it." After arriving at this internal destination the awareness begins to expand beyond the boundaries of self and the impression is given that you also travelled somewhere else as externally as well. If you open your eyes you obviously are still wherever you where when you closed them but nevertheless you feel like dropping your luggage, kicking up your feet and enjoying the view a while before traveling back.

    There is just one example, I could probably go on for a bit about some more wild personal experience, as for me the experience is the only valid path.
    I share this because if it worked for me it can work for anybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Belt View Post
    Sometimes I feel like people just don't give a care, or aren't interested in the connection? I am not sure.
    I for one am interested
    I’ve been practicing Neidan for about 6 years now, based mostly on the methods of Lu K’uan Yu (Charles Luk).

    Maybe you’re familiar with this as well?


    Slow or fast breathing can develop different types of Qi.
    Would you mind elaborating on the types of Chi developed through slow and fast breathing? In Taoist yoga, these are called the slow and quick fires, and for awhile now I’ve been trying to discern more accurately their practical application.

    My own experiences with the slow and fast breathing have more to do with their effects on Jing/generative force than it does with Chi.
    Art is Nature in the flask; Nature is a vial thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiorionis View Post
    I for one am interested


    Would you mind elaborating on the types of Chi developed through slow and fast breathing? In Taoist yoga, these are called the slow and quick fires, and for awhile now I’ve been trying to discern more accurately their practical application.

    My own experiences with the slow and fast breathing have more to do with their effects on Jing/generative force than it does with Chi.
    The Qi is developed with both slow or fast breathing. Rapid breathing has connections with the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system and energizing the mind or conscious,blood and heart. The rapid breathing produces drastically different effects on your state of mind relative to the slower breathing. Mixing the slower and faster breaths for certain periods of time is also very interesting to experience.

    Think about fast fire and slow fire like you would a fire on your stove top. If you put your body in a certain posture you can create a bellows or pump on the fire in your belly/mind. Two dan tiens - belly and mind. Two cauldrons, two types of fire. Two breathing techniques to control the flow of Qi or energy up and down the spine.
    But there are as many as 7 pumps I believe in the body.

    The breathing is to move the fluids in the body, mainly the spinal fluid. Moving something with a furious heat, building up a great heat or energy in the belly or mind or lungs. The quick breathing or rapid (fire) breath is a short but powerful breath to accumulate the qi. When your blood is pumping the qi is flowing and everything in the body (intestines, digestions, eliminations) is moving even the spinal fluid. When you work fast and then relax the flow of energy is more abundant and the warm qi is stored in the dan tien like a battery. (Chinese think americans are like vampires in this aspect because many put too much focus on going out into nature and absorbing these elements without returning the energy)

    This video is 15 minutes but if you watch it or skip through it you will see the type of posture and breathing methods I personally have found to be most effective and the kind I think you are referring to when you say "practical application" please tell me if I misunderstood or if you meant something else.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0urR...nel=LondonReal

    Most practical applications for these breathing methods are to fight stress reduce panic or anxiety, stifle fear response. It is widely known in the martial arts or combat sports community during extremely stressful situations like combat controlling the breath can improve reaction time, quick twitch muscle fiber response,eye coordination and many more physiological and biological operations effecting the central nervous system.

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    So you can see clearly there are many methods of breathing and they can be altered to change the technique in a way to add levels of complexity that is beyond just sitting in a comfortable posture and relaxing. This is some shamanic technology. Altering your state of mind, using various methods like fasting,breathing,dancing.
    .
    The understanding was from all the yogis and siddhars, that each life had an allocated number of breaths.
    Through pranayama they could store up breaths. Essentially living on one breath every ten minutes.
    When death ( Lord Yama ) came they said here " i still have all these breaths left " and death turned his head and left.
    This way they prolonged they're lives, but it wasn't a solution for death.
    The goal instead is to dissolve the gates of death, the veil of mortality by developing an " Heavenly immortal body " or " Rainbow body ".

    Nature is where all of this is accomplished, and the internal alchemy uses the image of the comsic egg, the womb, the cauldron to cook with the fire of the breath all of these components of nature inside man, the flask. At least that is how I was taught.
    Too many of these types of lessons end up in some mythical power touted by some guru or teacher. Someone always mentions a Siddha or some other wild mystic teacher guru who is the only one with the power and truth blah blah. I like the Terrence Mckenna quote "Avoid guru's, follow plants."
    Nearly all spiritual cultivation practices, immortality practises can be traced back to southern India.
    This use of developing internal heat was created by siddhars, " The way of natures root " was taught to early Taoists.
    You might not like it but all the Taoist cultivation practices came from southern India.
    People have commercialized everything, spirituality is no exception. You shouldn't dimiss all the siddhars yogis and gurus out there who want nothing to do with you.
    Someone learns something and calls themselves guru or etc, so what.
    The basis from what they're using is developed and practised by people living as hermits, who don't want to talk to you.

    In my experience a simple awareness of nature, practicing some of these techniques breathing postures and "visualizations" will lead just about anyone down this sacred path (as well as an occasional dose of magic mushrooms) no need for all the fancy mystery anymore since there is a lot of actual evidence scientific and anecdotal to provide a good road map for anyone else who is interested and never tried it before.
    Anyone can have a mystical spiritual experience just by repeating their name.
    Fellow wrote a book on it in the 1920s about how just about anything can induce a mystical /spiritual experience.
    Our brains are wired to search for meaning, so that's what it gives us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibric View Post
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    Nearly all spiritual cultivation practices, immortality practises can be traced back to southern India.
    You might not like it but all the Taoist cultivation practices came from southern India.
    People have commercialized everything, spirituality is no exception. You shouldn't dimiss all the siddhars yogis and gurus out there who want nothing to do with you.
    Someone learns something and calls themselves guru or etc, so what.
    The basis from what they're using is developed and practised by people living as hermits, who don't want to talk to you.
    Hmm... Well yes the founder and teacher of all of these arts is Bodhidharma the son of a Brahman priest from southern India the Chinese call him the "Blue Eyed Barbarian" it doesn't bother me, in fact I actually do like it. I have no attachments to Chinese or any culture for that matter.

    Do I dismiss all the siddhars and yogi's out there?? Well, I would listen to them first.

    Seriously though because I am not from India and there is an "Invisible Landscape" that flows culturally through everything and there are many things I have to dismiss outright as either pure folk practice, religious observance, party fun or like you said commercialism. Same thing with China, Kung Fu and Taoism.

    I lived as a hermit for almost 4 years, its awesome and I understand austerity or an ascetic way of living. It is a very care free way of living and having no attachments to friends, family, work etc. But that doesn't give me any kind of special qualification, title or otherwise given to me by my students or self attached.
    I actually don't like the term guru especially in its Western and American meaning. My teacher refused to let us call him "Master" "Sifu" or "Guru" he insisted that he was just a brother in the art, a brother of the light nothing more.

    I also have some personal hang ups on titles like Guru, as I had lost one of my favorite students and his fiance (who is the sister to my wife) because of people in their very cultish Christian church labeling me a "Guru of eastern religions" and passing out flyers in my town with yin yang symbols and "witchcraft" all over it.

    But I am getting super sidetracked, I love weirdo hermits who live in caves and I find them interesting to say the least. I am reading a book right now that is fantastic
    https://www.amazon.com/Egyptian-Civi.../dp/0317532014

    There is still a lot of education out there for me I am doing a crash course on Siddhar and Tamil history at the moment as well as reading the above book this video is very good
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGmh...=KaruppuSingam

    plus check out this tv show its all about hunting down Siddhars and performing miracles lol talk about commercial!! No idea what they say though as I only speak english
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcvQ...nnel=VendharTV

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    I also have some personal hang ups on titles like Guru, as I had lost one of my favorite students and his fiance (who is the sister to my wife) because of people in their very cultish Christian church labeling me a "Guru of eastern religions" and passing out flyers in my town with yin yang symbols and "witchcraft" all over it.
    That's hilarious, as most siddhars believe Christ was a siddhar and John the baptist was his Guru.
    Christs teachings are very similar.

    Guru has become a dirty word, it conjures up images of ego maniacs and pomposity.
    The way i learnt it was guru just means a guide for consciousness.

    I'll check out the videos thanks

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