Is there any difference between plant ash and salt water ORMUS that you guys know of? I have made some very high quality salt water ORMUS many times over, but have never successfully made any ORMUS out of plant ash. I remember there being a long thread on the site a while ago. Tim Hogan describes the process in his video but nobody was able to recreate the process from what I recall. I tried using HCl and NaOH to do a pH swing but no such luck. Has anybody gotten any real results with it?