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    Hello Mr. Mixer

    Quote Originally Posted by elixirmixer View Post
    And I learn alchemy to serve God and others and I have genuine and passionate love for God and my fellow man and I don't sit on the couch about it, I go out there and change peoples lives (which I am doing, and doing effectively btw)
    Truly one of the great things in life any of us can do ... help others that is.
    This is good to hear, and if you enjoy helping others ... all the better for you.
    After all it's not fun helping people if you don't enjoy it.

    So the whole moral code, that Alchemy is going to be unlocked for the righteous is just fucking cope. I literally only live for other people.
    I can only suggest that you address these issues you have with the God you serve.

    The alchemy secret stuff is an absolute cope.
    Another issue to put to God (The All Knowing)

    I hear what your saying Mr. Mixer ... I've walked in those shoes.

    The rich already run the world and I've never seen anyone, ever, give a logical or rational explanation for the secrecy other than bullshit statements that the evil will use it or that it will crash the economy.

    The evil already have almost absolute power and the economy is completely fucked.

    Absolute bullshit cope, and you stagnate the art with this crap, and any good we passionate foot soldiers could have performed with her.
    There is so much more to Alchemy than Medicine and Gold.
    If you ask God (The All Knowing) He may explain it to you.

    Do you communicate with Him everyday ?

    And you (those who selfishly conceal the secrets) will be held accountable for that. (Imo) That I can assure you. (Imo)
    I have also suffered with this type of torment ... you may have to hold your God accountable for this situation that you are in.

    Have you tried any type of communication with the "All Knowing" ?????

    If not it sounds like it could be time to start, and get those answers that you want.

    I honestly hope some of my suggestions can be of some help.

    IMHO ......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiorionis View Post
    Hmmm, I wonder which one it is
    Hi Kiorionis

    Both can be correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphim View Post


    Matthew 22:36-40

    36 Teacher, which kind of commandment is great and important (the principal kind) in the Law? [Some commandments are light—which are heavy?]

    37 And He replied to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind (intellect).

    38 This is the great (most important, principal) and first commandment.

    39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself.

    40 These two commandments sum up and upon them depend all the Law and the Prophets.
    Yes Seraphim .... the only true Path to the Great Work.

    But so little genuinely valued.

    IMHO .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christophorus View Post
    Thank you!
    A good and respectfull debate is the way to go!

    Let me try to be more specific because alchemists have a very peculiar way of saying nothing with lots of words.
    Conversely they can use not many words and say Volumes ... but usually only
    those with some understanding can hear them correctly.

    It's all part of our Alchemic Evolution.

    I understand and relate to that. But I believe we see the "connection" in a different way when the subject is the lab work. You believe that without the Connection you never attain anything Alchemic. I believe that without the Connection I wouldn't even exist as I am. To me, this is not faith but deed. I don't believe, I know.
    And knowing can make a great difference.

    Unfortunately many people don't believe in the "Divine" and therefore they cannot
    ask for assistance.

    Now, do you really want to put your faith to the test, changing roles? I tell you what is the number I choose from 1 to 10 and you pick it? Let's try that!
    Of course, you will not... I bet! You don't need to provide any proof... etc.
    Do you have a single idea about how many people told me this kind of thing? Show me! Like Thomas! But... you will not!
    I have put my faith to the test, and I know that the "All Knowing" won't be put to the
    test ... but if we ask for guidance and help that may be granted.

    Please don't tell me that you "wish me all the best", because you know "secrets", when you can point something concrete like: "Have you tried this? or that?" or "have you considered XXXX to be the sun or XXXX to be the moon?". Wouldnt that be better and more captivating?
    Have you tried any Secret Solvents ?
    Have you tried working with all the metals ?
    Have you tried the Antimony Path ?
    Have you tried the Acetate Path ?
    Have you tried the GW Path ?
    Have you tried the Cinnabar Path ?
    Have you tried the Short Path ?
    Have you tried the Long path ?, etc, etc, etc.

    I was suggesting that you might want to try some or all of these Paths.
    I have tried them all and they all helped me in some way ... so they may help you also ?

    From black
    I can give advise about "what not to do"...
    My point exactly 2!
    How is it possible to learn something like that?
    By advising you "what not to do" could save you a lifetime on the wrong path, but
    if you think my advise is useless you can always just ignore it, and that's OK.

    From black
    I have said this many time before that this is a protected "Divine" Science and the
    knowledge of it has remained a secret for thousands upon thousands of years and
    will continue to remain so.
    Cant be. The Yuga will not last that long.
    Why would it not continue to remain secret ?

    There are great civilizations (and more advanced) in our past that our current history has no understanding about.

    Alchemists go back many, many thousands of years.

    I would love to have people like you giving tips to those who are working at the lab.
    Not about WHAT NOT TO DO, but WHAT TO DO.
    What is the purpose of pointing all roads that will not end in a bridge to the ones that are looking for the bridge itself?
    What is the point? I really don't understand...
    Nearly all students of Alchemy cannot understand "WHAT TO DO" because it can only be conveyed
    in Alchemic Language ... But they can clearly understand "WHAT NOT TO DO" in plain words.

    Have you gained any profitable information from any of my posts ?

    IMHO .......
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    Hello Black.

    Have you gained any profitable information from any of my posts ?
    From some. Others not so much. I believe it applies to all the things we post, mine included.
    I will not continue to debate things up. But, you are right, I learned a lot.

    See you later.
    C.
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    Christophorus

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    Hi, I don't want to diminish what you have said now, but please let me correct one or two things that are of more general interest.
    Black, it seems you‘ve got something mixed up. To get the philosophical Mercury, first you need the black, putrefied earth (the decomposed body of the dead dragon). The philosophical gold is the red stone, it is also called the seed of gold.
    The alchemical putrefaction requires the fire of the Green Lion, which stirs the (secret) inner fire of matter. This inner fire is the same cold fire that ignites its known effect in the dead bodies and puts the corpses into all the creepy states that can be observed.

    Look at this lion, he sits on the earth and loops his tail up past the anus through the hind legs. This shows he gathers the astral spirit or spiritual fire from on high and leads it down or into the earth, mixing it with the exhalations from the buttocks. The earth is thus led into a stinking rottenness and putrefaction. (That he bites into the rays of the sun at the same time has not much to do with this, the one is the putrefaction, the other rather a philosophical calcination).




    What do the alchemists actually mean by the adjective "philosophical"? Something is philosophical if it has come into being through alchemical transformation or serves alchemical transformation and is not an ordinary substance.
    Thus, the dew that forms in the morning and can be collected in an ordinary way is not a philosophical substance, but an common substance. The philosophical dew or May Dew of the philosophers is precisely not dew, but small beads of water that form on our matter. These are formed by the concentrated astral spirit collected by our magnet. They can also take on an orange-golden colour and are then sometimes called honey pearls.

    I can only advise not to jump to conclusions, but always to weigh very carefully the whole context in relation to alchemy. Mud, for example, has no hermaphroditic nature. Mud is earth and water, and earth is feminine, as is water (in any form). Mud is compared to primordial chaos and, especially when black, represents an image of the Materia Prima. This (the Materia Prima and not the mud) is the fundamental feminine principle of creation, it is the matrix into which the spirit inscribes the forms. But in exactly the same way, the mud is also thoroughly feminine.
    Moreover, we only acquire a hermaphroditic nature when we combine the masculine and the feminine in such a way that they can no longer be separated and can only be described as one. However, both properties would in principle still have to be recognisable, which cannot be observed in a nuclear fusion (which shows that this fusion is not a perfect union); moreover, it could be disintegrated again by a nuclear fission.

    The reason for this is that perfect union can only take place when the two (complementary) opposites of a thing are united (man and woman, sun and moon, day and night, etc.), or precisely the inner with the outer.
    Thus water (if one wants to achieve a hermaphroditic nature with it) can only be united with its opposite - and that is fire. This, of course, would be a transformation and is indeed one of the greatest secrets of alchemy.
    We can unite a man with a woman, but not a man with a leopardess, the result would be monstrous and unnatural. Nor could a man be united with a man or a woman with a woman, that would merely be a multiplication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christophorus View Post
    Hello Black.



    From some. Others not so much. I believe it applies to all the things we post, mine included.
    I will not continue to debate things up. But, you are right, I learned a lot.

    See you later.
    C.
    Thank you Christophorus, I also learned a lot ....

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    What do the alchemists actually mean by the adjective "philosophical"?*
    Exactly what everyone else meant when they use it for literally anything else. Alchemists did not come up.with it. Its natural philosophy. Alchemists use it.

    I gave examples by authors of using natural philosophy in describing their prima materia.
    Again they did not come up with the idea. You can use it to describe cars or planes, anything.

    Mud, for example, has no hermaphroditic natur
    In natural philosophy it does. Which alchemists use for describing their work.

    Thus water (if one wants to achieve a hermaphroditic nature with it) can only be united with its opposite - and that is fire.
    I just cant be bothered any more.

    Moreover, we only acquire a hermaphroditic nature when we combine the masculine and the feminine in such a way that they can no longer be separated and can only be described as one. Howeve
    Right like every natural philosopher has ever said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    Hello Mr. Mixer


    Truly one of the great things in life any of us can do ... help others that is.
    This is good to hear, and if you enjoy helping others ... all the better for you.
    After all it's not fun helping people if you don't enjoy it.

    I can only suggest that you address these issues you have with the God you serve.

    Another issue to put to God (The All Knowing)

    I hear what your saying Mr. Mixer ... I've walked in those shoes.

    There is so much more to Alchemy than Medicine and Gold.
    If you ask God (The All Knowing) He may explain it to you.

    Do you communicate with Him everyday ?

    I have also suffered with this type of torment ... you may have to hold your God accountable for this situation that you are in.

    Have you tried any type of communication with the "All Knowing" ?????

    If not it sounds like it could be time to start, and get those answers that you want.

    I honestly hope some of my suggestions can be of some help.

    IMHO ......
    I know full well that I come across as bitter here because you guys arnt coughing up the secrets, and indeed I am, however im not overly worried, because indeed I do have (what i believe to be) a strong link to the divine and the last we spoke on the matter, to paraphrase my impressions I recieved from the big G, went like this:

    "Shayne, did you learn a lot this year? And get stronger? Wiser? Smarter?.... do you think that would have happened if you were sitting on your ass healing after having received the stone? You healing time will come, and the stone will come, when you are ready for it. You have to be super tough to handle the stone. This thing can destroy you buddy, and quite easily... and you know full well that a lot is going on in your life to make you grow up, condition you, and bring you into the level of maturity that you require in order to handle such a weapon.

    It comes soon, and when it comes, it will come fast. A little more patience, a little more refinement. Stop being a dick to your wife aswell or you wont get shit. Regards. Baby Jesus."

    Pretty much something like that regarding Alchemy. Which is all good. And i have a lot of hope in Alchemy at the moment. Still doesnt take away from the fact that I think the status quo is f-n ancient, and not in a cool way. In a stiffled, old man way, like a pile of dead skin, thats what it reminds me of.

    Ultimatly, the stone will become public.. indeed it is written:
    “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. 45 This is the meaning of the vision of THE ROCK cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.

    And i have written this reply a few times and I cant remember whether i sent any of them or not because I kept getting distracted. so i will reiterate.

    Your friendship has been a great help to me in Alchemy, it has helped me to not give up, and perhaps I would have even left the forum if it wernt for your continued support and checking in on me when you can see i am behaving erratically.
    The Alchemy advice has certainly spurred me on to read more, and I have stumbled upon something that I very much want to try...
    So as to whether or not the advice itself has been helpful, time will tell. However I am confident that it will end up being exactly what i needed. I showed you guys the plan with the clay and even if this is not a path to the stone, to see if this theory in the golden chain of homer stands is a great test to hermetic theory and would do much to confirm the validity of this philosophy.

    So thank you Mr. Black, for your advise, and more so, for your friendship.
    If at first you don't succeed....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merovee View Post
    Thus water (if one wants to achieve a hermaphroditic nature with it) can only be united with its opposite - and that is fire. This, of course, would be a transformation and is indeed one of the greatest secrets of alchemy.
    We can unite a man with a woman, but not a man with a leopardess, the result would be monstrous and unnatural. Nor could a man be united with a man or a woman with a woman, that would merely be a multiplication.
    Hi, I don't want to diminish what you have said now, but please let me correct one or two things that are of more general interest.

    Can water only unite with its opposite? I guess my new view is that the whole idea here is that we have a quad-polar magnet of elements for a reason, because water CANT unite with its opposite, it must first become air if it is to unite with fire, and fire must also, first become air, if it is to unite with water? Wouldn't you agree?
    If at first you don't succeed....

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