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    Alchemical & Magickal Symbolism in Religious/Spiritual Traditions & Ancient Alphabets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    That's imo an immanent issue and method to obscure alchemical instructions of this lineage. From beginning to end, even in some of the pre (Herculean) work, it is supposed to be an interplay of agens (Mars) and patiens(Venus).

    So this image actually fits to any stage of the work here. Sometimes the two are fighting, sometimes in intercourse. It depends on the stage and you sometimes can guess where it's at, from what the two are doing imo.
    I don't have anything useful to add.. when I first read this, I was reminded of this image.. which I couldn't find again until now:



    It's from Calendarium naturale magicum perpetuum (Ms. Mellon 72)
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    That's nice, Greg!

    Here we also see the greek "Tau", which looks like our "T".
    "Taw" is also the last letter of the Hebrew alphabeth and somehow interesting because here it symbolizes the tree of knowledge, with which all this started in the first place according to the bible.

    The members of the franciscan order still wear the tau cross today instead of the common cross.



    "Tau" in german means "Dew" in english and interestingly "rosée" in french.

    It's interesting to have that in mind when for example looking at some of the pictures in the book of Abraham the Jew:



    where you also have the oak as a symbol for this tree of knowledge of good and bad. And the tau cross where the snake is attached on and that usually loiters around in the tree of knowledge.

    The snake, like the winged dragon is an important symbol of a substance necessary in the practical art.



    Also the many roses (rosée=dew, rose=rose in french) in alchemical literature (think about the rosicrucians) and on the cathedrales (they also represent the rotations.).





    The latin says "the rose gives the bees honey", that leads to the beehive, that can be seen on the oven in Winterthur, or here:





    Also note Noah's ark at the bottom of that image.

    Also see this post

    and this post

    These are very simple symbols with a high density of information. It's almost ridiculous how well they all fit together.

    Many are of the opinion that all this is just an invention by Fulcanelli though...

    Of course in medieval times all the knowledge had to fit to the bible. So one can't really be sure which was first, but that doesn't even matter imo.
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    Well I spent a few hours yesterday formulating a reply.. In notepad, like I mentioned in another thread. Every quote I pulled out of a book, I had only pasted into that notepad. I hadn't saved it once in all that time, and then my power went out. I think I cursed myself. I'll do my best to recreate it..

    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    Here we also see the greek "Tau", which looks like our "T". "Taw" is also the last letter of the Hebrew alphabeth and somehow interesting because here it symbolizes the tree of knowledge, with which all this started in the first place according to the bible. The members of the franciscan order still wear the tau cross today instead of the common cross.
    I believe the tau cross was a symbol of John the Baptist, and many gothic churches are laid out as the tau cross.. this partially explains the connection to the Franciscans. Masonic sources say in it's earliest form it was derived from Taurus, representing the bull's horns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    "Tau" in german means "Dew" in english and interestingly "rosée" in french.
    Whenever I see this dew mentioned my mind immediately goes to the picture from Mutus Liber.

    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    It's interesting to have that in mind when for example looking at some of the pictures in the book of Abraham the Jew. where you also have the oak as a symbol for this tree of knowledge of good and bad. And the tau cross where the snake is attached on and that usually loiters around in the tree of knowledge.
    I'm sure the brazen serpent of Moses has been discussed. This is probably my first Tau Cross:



    The gallows from which he is suspended forms a Tau cross, while the figure—from the position of the legs—forms a fylfot cross. There is a nimbus about the head of the seeming martyr. It should be noted (1) that the tree of sacrifice is living wood, with leaves thereon; (2) that the face expresses deep entrancement, not suffering; (3) that the figure, as a whole, suggests life in suspension, but life and not death. [...] It has been called falsely a card of martyrdom, a card of prudence, a card of the Great Work, a card of duty [...] I will say very simply on my own part that it expresses the relation, in one of its aspects, between the Divine and the Universe. He who can understand that the story of his higher nature is imbedded in this symbolism will receive intimations concerning a great awakening that is possible, and will know that after the sacred Mystery of Death there is a glorious Mystery of Resurrection.
    - A.E. Waite
    You mentioned the oak.. I think that's a connection through the druids. It came up in one of my masonic sources while researching this post, but I didn't include it.

    "Knight of the Brazen Serpent. The 25th degree of the ancient and Accepted Rite. The history of this degree is founded upon he events described in the Book of Numbers xxi. 6-9. The body is styled the Council, and represents the camp of the Israelites in the wilderness. after the death of Aaron. The camp, standards, and taberlacle, with its court, are arranged as in the 23d and 24th degrees. In the East is a transparency on which is painted a cross, with a serpent soiled round it and over the arms. The teaching and moral of the degree Is Faith. The presiding officer represents Moses, and is styled 'Most Puissant Leader.' The candidate is called *A Traveler.' The hangings f the council are red and blue. The jewel is a tau cross, of gold, surrounded by a circle—the Crux Ansata—round which a serpent is entwined, suspended by a red ribbon. The legend states that this degree was founded during the time of the crusades in the Holy Land, as a military and monastic order, and gave it the name it bears, in allusion to the healing and saving virtues of the brazen serpent among the Israelites in the wilderness—it being part of the obligation of the Knights to receive and gratuitously nurse sick travelers, protect them against the attacks of the infidels, and escort them safely through Palestine."
    — Macoy's Encyclopaedia and Dictionary of Freemasonry, Article Knight of the Brazen Serpent.
    TAU CROSS. The emblem {tLl) forms the principal distinction of a Royal Arch Mason's apron and jewel. Being placed in the centre of a triangle and circle, both emblems of the Deity, it would appear that it was originally intended to typify the sacred name, as the author probably of eternal 1ife; being tripled in the Christian system, because the life to come, according to the light of revelation, is superior to the elysium of the heathen; or perhaps in allusion to the three heavens mentioned by St. Paul. It has been referred to the three great lights of Masonry, expressive of of the creative, preserving, and destroying power of God.
    - Robert Macoy
    The east end of the Gothic churches was built in the form of a tau cross, the western half of the church being of a long rectangular shape, resembling Noah's Ark, which is probably connected with the name, ship, or nave, given to this part of the building. Therefore the east end of the church exhibits the symbol of the Macrocosm or Father, who is the antithesis of the Bride, allocated to the west.
    -William Sterling
    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    The snake, like the winged dragon is an important symbol of a substance necessary in the practical art.
    Not necessarily in alchemy, but the snake and dragon are often used interchangeably. Different names for the same thing. This is more true the further back you go. I'm no alchemist, but I assume you are referencing:

    'On the fifth leaf there was a fair Rose-tree, flowered in the midst of a sweet Garden, climbing up against a hollow Oak; at the foot whereof boiled a fountain of most white water, which ran head-long down into the depths, notwithstanding it first passed among the hands of infinite people, who digged in the earth seeking for it; but because they were blind, none of them knew it, except here and there one who considered the weight.'
    - Nicholas Flamel

    'The number 5 is that of the Great Mystery, and on the fifth page blind men were represented digging up the ground round the rose-tree in search of the grand agent which is present everywhere. Some others, who were better advised, were weighing a white water, resembling a solidified air.'
    -Eliphas Levi, 'The History of Magic'
    In terms of Alchemy, I offer you two other intertwined dragons/tau cross from Ashmole:





    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    Also the many roses (rosée=dew, rose=rose in french) in alchemical literature (think about the rosicrucians) and on the cathedrales (they also represent the rotations.).
    I'm sure we can agree the rose (and "rotations") has different interpretations. A passage on the "Rose" (sometimes "Lily") opens the Zohar. The rose was the symbol of Isis (and her name means "Throne".. the rose throne? "Shekhinah", the female aspect of the Divine presence to the Jews).

    The stained glass window shows what I'm about to get into well. The geometry is based on 4/8/16. "Phyllotaxis" is the scientific term for how petals and leaves arrange on plants. The arrangement "rotates" each tier (or layer) to fill the gaps left by the previous tier. Some plants form spirals which follow the fibonacci sequence.

    I like this version of Fludd's rose. Beside it is an Indian yantra. It's a modern creation, but its true to the source material:



    This "phyllotaxis" also describes the geometry I'm always going on about. The division of the circumference into 6 parts, represent the points of the hexagon, cube, and star of david. That is just the beginning of the construction.. the next tier is comprised of 6 circles at the intersections of the first six, and the next tier follows suit. But the 4th tier changes, there are now 12 intersections/circles. After 3 tiers of 12, its 18. So for every 3 rotations, you add another six circles, which turn out to be the points of a another hexagon/cube. When you expand this enough, and consider the center of the circles, what you are left with is in geometry called an "overlapping circle grid". The image on the left is a partial construction (far enough to plot the tree of life and tetraktys), and on the right is something I did a long time ago, almost at my very beginning, based on the grid. I've always called it the Rose Cube/Rose Cross:



    This image of the Rosa Mundi, or Rota Mundi, is the solar wheel of Apollo, the Lord of movement, of the ever passing/present moment. It is the Solar Citadel, the abode of the Heart, the symbolic center of the Supreme Center which is everywhere centered at once. It is a door through which this invisible place may be accessed by one with a pure heart and an unblemished soul.
    -Unknown source
    I've discussed the solar wheel (specifically related to this geometry) quite a bit so I won't get into it again.

    Besides the Vesica Piscis the old philosophers and freemasons were accustomed to use as symbols all the plane geometrical figures. The Pythagorean emblem, the Pentalpha, or five-pointed star, and the Hexalpha, or Solomon's Seal,. have been used in the church from time immemorial as symbols of Christ and the Trinity, and have a variety of emblematic associations. The Hexagon was the common symbol of the Masonic Cube or Cubical Stone, while the Triangle, and Square had each their use as geometrical symbols. The Cross has also been from the remotest times a potent mystical emblem among all ancient peoples. Crosses were generally of three kinds, the Tau Cross, the upright or Jerusalem Cross, and the Sal tire or diagonal Cross, and each had its peculiar significance.
    - William Sterling
    The HEXAGRAM is the symbol of the Macrocosm; it is often called the Seal of Solomon. It consists of two interlaced triangles; the erect triangle is of flame colour, the inverse triangle is coloured blue. In the centre space there may be drawn a Tau Cross and three Hebrew Yods, or a Crux ansata, or the Triple Tau of the Arch-masons. He who with Intelligence and Will is armed with this emblem has need of no other thing, he should be all potent, for this is the perfect sign of the Absolute.
    -Eliphas Levi
    So.. Macrocosm, Tau Cross, Rose. I'm pretty sure Levi would have been thinking of Franckenberg's tau-rose from "Tabula Universalis Theosophica Mystica et Cabalistica":



    In light of all the above, here's another image I actually came across before re-writing this reply:



    Whats my point with all this? Francis Yates in "Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition" (Ficino's Natural Magic) gets pretty warm.. She's not talking about the images I discuss all the time, but I think this is close to describing the "tradition" behind them all. This is heavily chopped up for the relevant parts:

    I believe that he is thinking primarily of planetary talismans, and of these used not in a "demonic" manner but, as Walker has said, with "spiritual" magic, a magic using the spiritus mundi, to be attracted mainly through groupings of plants, metals, and so on, but also through use of planetary tahsmans which address the stars as world forces, or natural forces, and not as demons.

    "Why, then, should we not permit ourselves a universal image, that is an image of the universe itself? From which it might be hoped to obtain much benefit from the universe."

    He then says that the figure of the world may be constructed so as to reproduce the motion of the spheres

    It is a cosmic mechanism. Finally, someone may construct, or will construct:

    "on the domed ceiling of the innermost cubicle of his house, where he mostly lives and sleeps, such a figure with the colours in it. And when he comes out of his house he will perceive, not so much the spectacle of individual things, but the figure of the universe and its colours."

    These various forms of the "figure of the world" are thus artistic objects which are to be used magically for their talismanic virtue. They are attempting to influence "the world" by favourable arrangements of celestial images, so as to draw down favourable influences and exclude non-favourable ones. In short, these unfortunately so vaguely hinted at works of art are functional; they are made for a purpose, for magical use. By arranging the figure of the world and its celestial images with knowledge and skill, the Magus controls the influences of the stars.
    I think looking east fills in some details. The "science of yantras" is 100% concerned with geometry and the "ritual" construction of the yantras, combined with contemplation/meditation, and what it does for the mind. And this is totally related to the practises of Lull and Bruno. That's what Bruno's diagrams are.. Yantras.

    'This art does not simply confer an art of memory, but also opens many faculties of invention. For this reason, remember to preserve this inwardly [take it to Heart], for the royal does not depend on the choice of the common: every one of those things can be explained in its canons, provided according to capacities and faculties of the listener, as long as an intense and elegant explanation isn't missing.'
    -Giordano Bruno
    The divine chariot also engrossed the Qumran sect [of merkaba mystics] ; one fragment speaks of the angels praising 'the pattern of the Throne of the chariot'
    - 'J. Strugnell, 'The Angelic Liturgy at Qumran - 4Q Sirot Olat Hassabbat'

    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    The latin says "the rose gives the bees honey", that leads to the beehive
    Here's a major greek connection to the beehive for the Masons:



    The bee is a favorite topic of mine:


    'The bee, found in Ancient Near East and Aegean cultures, was believed to be the sacred insect that bridged the natural world to the underworld.'
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    'The Homeric Hymn to Apollo acknowledges that Apollo's gift of prophecy first came to him from three bee maidens, usually identified with the Thriae. The Thriae was a trinity of pre-Hellenic Aegean bee goddesses. The embossed gold plaque (illustration above right) is one of a series of identical plaques recovered at Camiros in Rhodes[5] dating from the archaic period of Greek art in the seventh century, but the winged bee goddesses they depict must be far older.'
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    'The Jewish historian Josephus noted that the name of the poet and prophet Deborah meant 'bee'. The same root dbr gives 'word', 'indicating the bee's mission to give the Divine Word, Truth', observes Toussaint-Samat.[13] Melissa is also similarly defined.'
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    'In Egyptian mythology, bees grew from the tears of the sun god Ra when they landed on the desert sand.'
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    Ra (pron.: /rɑː/)[1] or Re (pron.: /reɪ/ orpron.: /reɪ/; Egyptian: 𓂋ꜥ ) was the ancient Egyptian solar deity. By the Fifth Dynasty (2494 to 2345 BC) he had become a major god in ancient Egyptian religion, identified primarily with the midday sun. The meaning of the name is uncertain, but it is thought that if not a word for 'sun' it may be a variant of or linked to words meaning 'creative power' and 'creator'.[2]

    The major cult centre of Ra was Heliopolis (called Iunu, 'Place of Pillars', in Egyptian),[3] where he was identified with the local sun-god Atum. Through Atum, or as Atum-Ra, he was also seen as the first being and the originator of the Ennead, consisting of Shu and Tefnut, Geb and Nut, Osiris, Set, Isis and Nephthys.
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    Atum sent a fiery messenger, the Eye of Ra, to find his children


    I would mention since I brought up Isis/Shekhinah, that Wadjet/Eye of Ra is also feminine.

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    I could imagine that those images were often used for meditation and contemplation. I guess that's what you suggest, don't you?

    I have two annotations however:

    1. Waite was a rather modern interpret of the Tarot. In older versions of the Pendu the Tau is not seen as easily (I know there are older versions than the Tarot de Marseille):



    Here it resembles much more the hebrew letter "Chai" (number 18), or the greek "pi". So let's open the circle here (for pi is the number of circles).

    Others saw the Sephiroth in the buttons, or even Jacob's ladder (the Scala Philosophica) in the chopped off branches:



    In catholic tradition the Tau cross initially goes back to Anthony the Great (or Anthony of Egypt):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_the_Great

    Francis of Assisi also liked to use and even sign with it, so the order adopted it.

    In heraldry the Tau cross is also called crutches. So it's something you can't walk without. Just like you can't do alchemy without.



    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kr%C3%BCcke_(Heraldik)

    In this very old Tarot version, one can guess where that came from (bottom right: L'hermite = Hermes?) and you see both the chopped of branches and the Tau cross on the crutches.




    Interestingly L'Hermite here got the number XII, whereas that number was usually attributed to the Pendu. And so the circle closes again.

    I just saw that the hebrew Taw (value 22 and 400) also looks like this:



    So I guess what Waite did actually may have been legit.

    However the Taw/Tau looked like this in the oldest known hebrew books:

    X

    A very important alchemical symbol. It is also the symbol of St. Andrew..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    Here it resembles much more the hebrew letter "Chai" (number 18), or the greek "pi".
    There is no Hebrew letter "Chai". The number 18 / the word Chai (meaning "alive") is composed of the letters/numbers Chet/8 ( ח ) and Yod/10 ( י ) 18/ חי

    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    However the Taw/Tau looked like this in the oldest known hebrew books: X


    A tangent: The Hebrew word for truth is "Emeth" ( אמת ).
    If we take out the Aleph ( א ), we are left with מת, which means "dead".

    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    A very important alchemical symbol. It is also the symbol of St. Andrew..
    Of St. Andro, you surely mean

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    Of course I meant St. Andro!



    Thanks for helping out on the hebrew letters, I am no expert and Gillian Anderson gave me misleading informations (like she often tends to do). Still the connections are there imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florius Frammel View Post
    Waite was a rather modern interpret of the Tarot. In older versions of the Pendu the Tau is not seen as easily (I know there are older versions than the Tarot de Marseille):
    Ha. Waite was, of course, a member of the Golden Dawn.
    The Golden Dawn was following two proposals of Eliphas Levi when it comes to Tarot:
    1) the idea that it is heavily linked to Qabalah.
    2) the idea that Tarot can be part of some sort of "high culture" (as a way to say it), because by the times of Levi and the early GD, it was certainly considered something that only made sense in a "low culture" and probably related to the fortune teller that came with the circus to the city.

    In a nutshell, he created his own Tarot version that never wanted to become the "oldest tarot" or a reconstruction. He hired Pamela Colman Smith (a painter who was also a member of the GD) and they certainly used the painting style that Pamela already had (she was considered a "high culture" painter, so it probably sounded as a good idea to use her "high culture" style as opposed to the traditional "folk-art" that looked almost like "outsider art" by modern standards).

    They enhanced the ideas related to Qabalah they had (in the long run, the deck was somehow a "study deck" for a Tarot that was meant to work hand-by-hand with Qabalah)... but there was certainly not a very mystical intention (mystical= iI mean ideas like "this has been channeled, we are painting what the Gods wanted us to paint")... All the major arcana are actually portraits of different members of the Golden Dawn (Pamela is the Empress), probably because the personality of each one matched the meaning of the card somehow, but it was probably a game between those who were going to use those cards.

    But it was not a "reconstruction" that wanted to arrive to the "original tarot"... It was almost a "cultural appropriation" of a deck that was considered "low culture" into a system that was somehow academic.

    Also, the number of two cards was purposefully switched as to follow the order of the Hebrew Letters (i.e, the first arcana is "Aleph", the last one is "Tau"... The Justice was switched with another one as to make "Justice" become "Lamed" because it made more sense... even if such thing was hard to justify in a "historical way", though probably Waite didn't care).

    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    A tangent: The Hebrew word for truth is "Emeth" ( אמת ).
    If we take out the Aleph ( א ), we are left with מת, which means "dead".
    Yes! The trick is used in a lot of Grimoires and it's also in a lot of Qabalah-related tales.
    Aemeth is "truth", but often used as something that is almost equivalent to "God" and "Life" or almost a divine power (i.e, John Dee based the whole of his "Angelic language" into the so called "Sigillum Dei Aemeth" - Seal of God Aemeth... certainly now with the idea that there was a God called "Aemeth", but enhancing something that was considered to be vital in God).

    Probably the most popular use of the trick is in the old stories of the Golem of Prague, in which the Golem is given life by writing AMTh ("aemeth") on its forehead, but destroyed by deleting the Aleph and leaving "Meth"... So it's like the "ON/OFF" button of the Golem.

    Other than that... the Tarot belongs to the Renaissance, so sometimes going too far in history may arrive to wrong ideas (i.e, linking the symbol of a card created around the year 1450 with the way in which a symbol was used in the years 1,000 before Christ... I think it is more useful to investigate how things were done by the Renaissance or "late medieval" if we want to go far, but going too far in history is misleading -unless we talk about symbols that kept on being used in a way or other).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Marcus View Post
    I'm sure we can agree the rose (and "rotations") has different interpretations. A passage on the "Rose" (sometimes "Lily") opens the Zohar. The rose was the symbol of Isis (and her name means "Throne".. the rose throne? "Shekhinah", the female aspect of the Divine presence to the Jews).

    The stained glass window shows what I'm about to get into well. The geometry is based on 4/8/16. "Phyllotaxis" is the scientific term for how petals and leaves arrange on plants. The arrangement "rotates" each tier (or layer) to fill the gaps left by the previous tier. Some plants form spirals which follow the fibonacci sequence.

    I like this version of Fludd's rose. Beside it is an Indian yantra. It's a modern creation, but its true to the source material:



    This "phyllotaxis" also describes the geometry I'm always going on about. The division of the circumference into 6 parts, represent the points of the hexagon, cube, and star of david. That is just the beginning of the construction.. the next tier is comprised of 6 circles at the intersections of the first six, and the next tier follows suit. But the 4th tier changes, there are now 12 intersections/circles. After 3 tiers of 12, its 18. So for every 3 rotations, you add another six circles, which turn out to be the points of a another hexagon/cube. When you expand this enough, and consider the center of the circles, what you are left with is in geometry called an "overlapping circle grid". The image on the left is a partial construction (far enough to plot the tree of life and tetraktys), and on the right is something I did a long time ago, almost at my very beginning, based on the grid. I've always called it the Rose Cube/Rose Cross:



    I've discussed the solar wheel (specifically related to this geometry) quite a bit so I won't get into it again.

    So.. Macrocosm, Tau Cross, Rose. I'm pretty sure Levi would have been thinking of Franckenberg's tau-rose from "Tabula Universalis Theosophica Mystica et Cabalistica":



    In light of all the above, here's another image I actually came across before re-writing this reply:



    Whats my point with all this? Francis Yates in "Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition" (Ficino's Natural Magic) gets pretty warm.. She's not talking about the images I discuss all the time, but I think this is close to describing the "tradition" behind them all. This is heavily chopped up for the relevant parts:

    I think looking east fills in some details. The "science of yantras" is 100% concerned with geometry and the "ritual" construction of the yantras, combined with contemplation/meditation, and what it does for the mind. And this is totally related to the practices of Lull and Bruno. That's what Bruno's diagrams are.. Yantras.

    Here's a major Greek connection to the beehive for the Masons:



    The bee is a favorite topic of mine:



    I would mention since I brought up Isis/Shekhinah, that Wadjet/Eye of Ra is also feminine.
    The Solar wheel and the connection with Krishna or Helios/Apollo here from wiki

    "The Greek ἥλιος is the inherited word for the Sun, from Proto-Indo-European *seh₂u-el,[2] which is cognate with Latin sol, Sanskrit surya,"

    The imagery surrounding a chariot-driving solar deity is likely Indo-European in origin,[8][9] and is common to both early Greek and Near Eastern religions.[10] The earliest artistic representations of the "chariot god" come from the Parthian period (3rd century) in Persia, where there is evidence of rituals being performed for the sun god by Magi, indicating an assimilation of the worship of Helios and Mithras.[8]

    The science of yantra is an area that is a bit of familiar territory for me. I would like to add a few things here before moving on to Yantra/Mantra this is in reference to the drinking or taking of a substance during/before ritual ceremony ie ceremonial or ritual magick

    Soo, tortures and initiations, mental exercise- there is a thread here to PD Newman and

    https://realitysandwich.com/314264/t...asonic-ritual/

    Read that article if you have not already because it nails some important connections

    the way of the sly man, PD Ouspensky wrote about Freemason Gurdijeff in search of the miraculous where he mentions a hidden substance that can be produced by four different paths

    (1) the way of the fakir, who masters his body to the point where he can stand “motionless in the same position for hours, days, months, or years”; (2) the way of the monk, who, by prayer and devotion to God, masters the emotions; (3) the way of the yogi, the one who gains control over the mind. The fourth way " (4) the way of the sly man,the same substance can be found in nature,and the sly man places it into a pill without the loss of time." - I paraphrased this last part I don't have the book in front of me.

    There is so much bullshit out there regarding the Shri Vidya and the Shri Yantra, superstitious or folk belief added on, or just simple embellishment to appear to have a greater knowledge of the subject. I don't claim to be an expert I just want to share a few things I learned.

    Here is a symbol of the Shri Yantra or the Shri Vidya



    Its double meaning is the Tripurasundari or the 15 phases of the moon



    In the Panchadasakshari or the 15 letter Mantra to Subramanya Panchadasakshari Mantra we have the Alchemical link to the releasing of a amrita substance controlled by the phases of the moon.

    Here the Moola Mantra I have attached in the correct form:



    Om Shreem Hreem Kleem IAim Eeem Namm Lamm Souhu Saravanabhavah

    Here is the basic formula for magic words in the correct order
    to seal the magic inside one would at completion of the recitation reverse the words starting with souhu

    The prayer without going into too much detail about the magical words and the esoteric power of the Mantra is to Surya the Sun or here more directly to the Lord Murugan or Pleiades star.

    Here is a depiction of Kartikeya or Murugan who is usually shown this way:



    He rides or is riding a peacock and he has six faces or "phases" Lord Murugan is the God of Kundalini

    The Murugan statue is important here as its creation is linked directly to Boghar the great poet and philosopher, the famous Siddhar Alchemist of Tamil Nadu.

    Boghar as an expert in medicine he used 4448 rare herbs and made 9 poisonous medicine, mixing these 9 poisons into one needs great knowledege and skill, to make a Master Medicine ( One medicine to cure all disease ). Thirumoolar also discuss one such Master Medicine in his book Thiru Mandiram.

    I have mentioned this sacred nectar drink of the philosophers before in this same poem by Boghar where in Boghars 7000 verses he writes of the Shri Yantra in relation to reality.

    What does these life changing visions have to do with yoga? What does this yoga have to do with Alchemy? I do not know yet but we are told by Boghar here that

    "the eight elements will merge into four" and Boghar makes certain that

    He will give your yoga
    the assurance it needs
    by saying,
    "Take your time."
    He'll relate
    the True Polymorph Alchemy...

    and again later

    Nandi can come here easily.
    Being friendly,
    he will give
    the eight into eight;
    the sixty-four.
    The malleable alchemy
    will stand before you
    with folded arms.
    The hidden essence
    will appear explicit
    and complete.

    We are reminded once more here that through this practice all the secrets of alchemy will be given to us by the phases of the moon or Nandi-

    Praise the pure
    Principle of Intelligence.
    Ask the way
    to the Perfection of Alchemy,
    to the Perfection of Yoga,

    and a few verses later

    The path will manifest
    and they'll tell you
    the alchemical process.

    Using the petals of this diagram you climb the elemental seed of the ethers

    In the 1008 petals
    is the pentacle "Invincible".
    All the five...
    the A-kaaram,
    the U-kaaram,
    the M-kaaram,
    the full spectrum of vibration,
    and the bindu
    stand within these five angles.

    And lastly because I will have to add more later

    As the Principle of Intelligence itself
    I leapt into the universe.
    Nandi clearly elucidated
    the nature of the universe.
    For the sake of all beings
    there is a path
    that becomes a vehicle
    for the five senses.
    The universe that appeared before me
    was arranged in layers.
    Grandfather said,
    "Enter the tenth one."
    I took what was given me
    and put it in my mouth
    .
    Another bunch
    of mercurial amalgams
    I tied onto my wrist.
    Off I went.
    Entering the universe
    of fire and light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Belt View Post
    the way of the sly man, PD Ouspensky wrote about Freemason Gurdijeff in search of the miraculous where he mentions a hidden substance that can be produced by four different paths
    Gurdjieff wasn't true Freemason, even more so, both him and Ouspensky had connections with Lower Worlds and were heavily influented by them.

    Which isn't bad on its own. After all, if we speak about matter and this world, it is considered to have Devil as its King, and there are many Eastern legends about snake people and other denizens of Lower Worlds who can provide means to get physical health (very long life) and wealth.

    It is also interesting to note the variation of picture with two snakes, one of the m in the sky, the other - in the earth. I think it can also potentially point at necessity of dealing with Lower Worlds (and not merely discard them and claim them to be "satanic", but rather cooperate with them) in case if someone wants his spiritual path to yield great material well-being.

    Speaking about that, when some alchemists write that only one thing is needed for Great Work, they might mean only sky snake and purely spiritual process are worth of pursuing. Those who say that you actually need two things, they might mean the second snake (Inferior Regions / Lower Worlds, which are considered to be derived from the Higher Being / God / Sky snake). Together with man, those are three, and basically one, there you have riddle of Maria the Prophetess.

    Yet again, those are simply my theories, though I think there might be something in it.

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