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    Lucid Dreaming

    I have found it to be in many ways comparable to Shamanic States of Consciousness. Essentially, a Shamanic Journey is no different from a Lucid Dream, except a few variables (for example, a well trained shaman can lucid dream without being physically asleep, etc.) Neither Lucid Dreaming nor Shamanic Journeying require psychedelic aids, however those can be an option for those so predisposed.

    You can start by reading This Book and get a taste of what's possible.

    It can be taken much further than the book does, but ya gotta start somewhere...

    If you have your own repertoire of recorded experiences with lucid dreaming, you're welcome to share them on this thread.

    Also worth mentioning is that Lucid Dreaming is quite different from OBE, but there are also many similarities in what can be achieved. Having personal experience with both, I can say (at least for myself) that Lucid Dreaming may be seen as a relatively more potent and open-ended tool for exploration, healing and even liberation. Neither is difficult to master, but both require the three P's... Read the book

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    If you don't sleep for long enough, the astral will start to "leak" into the real world, as well.

    " 'For those whose goal is self-transcendence, fasting, insomnia, and physical pain are 'Alternatives'; they bring about a change of state, they cause the patient to be other than he was. When the body goes hungry, there is often a period of unusual mental lucidity. A lack of sleep tends to lower the threshold between the conscious and the subconscious." - Aldous Huxley

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    Transmission of concsiousness

    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    I have found it to be in many ways comparable to Shamanic States of Consciousness. Essentially, a Shamanic Journey is no different from a Lucid Dream, except a few variables (for example, a well trained shaman can lucid dream without being physically asleep, etc.) Neither Lucid Dreaming nor Shamanic Journeying require psychedelic aids, however those can be an option for those so predisposed.

    You can start by reading This Book and get a taste of what's possible.

    It can be taken much further than the book does, but ya gotta start somewhere...

    If you have your own repertoire of recorded experiences with lucid dreaming, you're welcome to share them on this thread.

    Also worth mentioning is that Lucid Dreaming is quite different from OBE, but there are also many similarities in what can be achieved. Having personal experience with both, I can say (at least for myself) that Lucid Dreaming may be seen as a relatively more potent and open-ended tool for exploration, healing and even liberation. Neither is difficult to master, but both require the three P's... Read the book
    I already started practicing again and this book working.
    Thank you for sharing, this is a favorite topic of mine. I often get the glassy eyed look or the vague comments about "That's crazy!" Before conversations of lucid dreaming dies out.

    https://youtu.be/9pvcZE_141E


    https://youtu.be/mepL5pVhdZk

    I have been having lucid dreams since I was little. Only later on in my teens did I start to get more interested as a result of visiting places I had never been in waking life but had visited many times in dreams. The impression of visiting a dream place in reality, a neighborhood I had only been to in dreams, suddenly realizing that my new friends house I had already visited many times while sleeping.

    It was a hard to shake experience and was only the first of many that led me to start keeping a dream journal next to my bed, something I could write frantically in, half asleep, half in dream, scribbling what flotsam was left from the dream before it rapidly faded from my slowly awakening mind.

    I have and will share some interesting dreams from my journal, I lose them journals quite often sadly. But I think I would like to practice some of these techniques in this book some more, because they are already working. Only one night of practice and I almost got the hands trick to work before other dream phantoms distracted me.

    Lucid dreams have always had a strange attraction for me, I have often been a little scared of their power, fortelling the future or predicting future events.

    This happened a month or two ago ,

    " There was my best friend dressed in a tuxedo and so was I, suddenly I am lucid, this is a dream, I can see a large ballroom party I know instantly that this is my best friends wedding, and he wants me to hang out with a close friend, well we are not close any more since we have not talked or hang out in 5 or 6 years and I don't know why, I wake feeling like I should tell my friend about his impending wedding."

    The next day my friend invited me to watch Scary Stories to tell in the Dark at the movie theatre. After I sit down and get my seat my friend says " Man, Trini was supposed to be here already I bought his ticket."

    My head about exploded, I quickly explained the wedding dream before my long lost friend walks in and could barely focus on the rest of the movie. The impression that my dream had just seeped into reality was almost unreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Belt View Post
    I already started practicing again and this book working.
    Interesting, you are the only one who replied so far... AND positively! Thanks...

    Lucid Dreaming and OBE are IME the MOST powerful tools for exploring the Omniverse (and the Ultimate Reality beyond it). Not everyone has what it takes to pass through all the "traps" and "pitfalls", but it's much better than speculating, theorizing, rationalizing, analyzing texts, etc...

    Direct experience is where it's at, preferably WITHOUT the use of "Plant Helpers" (those CAN help, no doubt, but the realms one is taken with these "helpers" are confined within the built-in/inherent limitations of such "helpers". Plus, they all have their own personalities and agendas... So IMO it's best to practice/rely "on one's own juices". IMO.

    This being said, I have recently had a few experiences (as a practicing Shaman) working with people who had taken psychedelic aids deliberately for our session, and I must admit it was a lot easier for me to lucidly enter their more "inner" areas and edit their more problematic narratives, thus achieving more profound healing results. Note: I did NOT personally partake of any "helpers", apparently all I needed was better/deeper access to the person I was working with...

    Most people have so many subconscious blockages, it can make a Lucid Dreaming Shaman's work a bit easier if they are in a more "surrendering" state.

    Also, all the more reason to have plenty of trust in the Shaman you are working with, because as much as they can heal, they can also cause plenty of damage, if they are unethical or otherwise ill-inclined.

    The better news is that if the Shaman you are working with is not that experienced and/or not that powerful, they won't be able to cause too much damage... It's the experienced and powerful ones who can facilitate the greatest healings but also cause the most damage. Fortunately, there aren't many of those

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    I think cannabis might suppress these abilities. When I smoke daily I almost never have dreams...or at least I rarely remember them. During/before puberty I had a few mild OBE, and many lucid dreams. These dreams weren't very profound. Mostly just sexual fantasies since it was around puberty. Started consuming cannabis at age 14. Then the lucid dreams completely stopped.

    I've had experiences with psilocybin, mescaline, lsd analogues, dmt, and some random RC's. Didn't notice any influence on dreams, but sleeping wasn't the goal during these experiences. I also haven't done psychedelics habitually/daily for extended periods, so not sure how that would influence things. Microdosing has become popular in the last decade. I'm planning on eventually trying this with Panaeolus cyanescens to see how it affects dream states. But so far, a sober mind has increased my dream activity more than an altered mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dendritic Xylem View Post
    I think cannabis might suppress these abilities.
    It does that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dendritic Xylem View Post
    a sober mind has increased my dream activity more than an altered mind.
    There ya go

    I'd also suggest to "micro"dose on your own internal juices.

    A lucid life (whether "dreaming" or "waking" - same difference, ultimately) is perhaps one of the most powerful tools at our disposal.

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    Unfortunately, I became interested in lucid dreaming almost 50 years ago, and have read numerous books on the subject. I have also practiced very frequently over the course of that period. Not once have I had any success in all that time. Perhaps only certain people are able to do it.

    In terms of out-of-the-body experiences, I have only had one, perhaps about 30 years ago. It was completely spontaneous, and happened while resting calmly during a late afternoon while totally awake (slightly meditative state). I suddenly found myself floating near the ceiling, with 360 degree peripheral vision - very odd. I could clearly see my body below me, and the shock made 'me' immediately return to the body. I have tried to have that experience, again during the same time I tried lucid dreaming, but never once have I managed to do it deliberately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    Perhaps only certain people are able to do it.
    Everyone dreams. You just have to find the right "trigger" or "hack" (for you) to program/incept yourself to remember. Also, sporadic is much less effective than continued persistence. I mean, each and every night before you sleep. And there are daytime practices too. You just have to persist and practice every day, even it it takes many months to achieve a few seconds of lucidity. It gets better from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    Everyone dreams. You just have to find the right "trigger" or "hack" (for you) to program/incept yourself to remember. Also, sporadic is much less effective than continued persistence. I mean, each and every night before you sleep. And there are daytime practices too. You just have to persist and practice every day, even it it takes many months to achieve a few seconds of lucidity. It gets better from there.
    I tried it almost nightly for several years, after that quite frequently for decades. Even now, I try it several times a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    I tried it almost nightly for several years, after that quite frequently for decades. Even now, I try it several times a month.
    Some suggestions:

    1. Perhaps alter the techniques you've been using and switch to something that may work better for you.

    2. Also incorporate daily practices, such as remembering to genuinely "wonder" to yourself several times a day if you're currently dreaming or not.

    3. Prolong the state between wakefulness and sleep for as long as you can. This is the best "zone" for auto-inception.

    4. Maybe you know about this one, it's an old trick: Go to sleep in the afternoon holding an object in your hand that extends beyond the bed. Once you fall asleep, the object falls to the floor, makes some noise and wakes you up. The micro-moment when this happens may lead to powerful revelations for some.

    5. Use repetition obsessively when reciting whatever mantras/affirmations you may use for this purpose.

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