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    Thanks TI for sharing your thoughts and research on this.
    Indeed, it's a fascinating angle.

    True Initiate:
    Alchemy was called The Holy Science by many authors but they never explained what makes it so Holy. ......
    What are your thoughts?
    IMO alchemy is one miracle (amoung many) made possible by the existance of HIM in this world.
    In the simplest terms, HE acts a conduit between this world and the higher dimension/s.
    It's the love/energy/light from the higher dimensions which we all perceive as being holy.

    I absolutely love the stuff you've provided in this thread TI, because IMO bethel stones are a perfect physical metaphor for HIM.
    What better metaphor for the bridge between this 3D world and the higher world/s than a rock which falls down to earth from heaven?
    IMO, this is the reason why you've found so many religious references.

    Here's another metaphor for the same (from within your own references):
    "And he dreamed, and beheld, a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and beheld the angels of god ascending and descending on it."
    Genesis 28:12
    And another one which we're all familiar with (but I still adore):

    And of course, I'm looking forward to seeing the other stuff you've promised us later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Argento Vivo View Post
    But all dry path modus operandi of the ancients differ apparently from what Dujols started. Or where can we see such kind of practice? I dont recollect any
    I set myself up for high expectations with this thread did i? Oh boy... The most difficult part for me will be to pull out all the tidbits of information from various books and articles of which i didn't kept a track so i need to look for them again. I don't know what Dujol was thinking his practice appears to be totally different from Canseliet and Fulcanelli. In the Dwellings of the Philosophers there are clear descriptions of the Dry Path as we know it:

    Initiates know that our science, although purely natural and simple, is in no way vulgar; the terms we use, following the masters, are no less so. Please pay attention to them, since we have chosen them with care, with the intention of showing the way, of pointing out the potholes which pit it, thus hoping to enlighten the studious and to divert the blind, the greedy, and the unworthy. Learn, you who already know, that all our purifications are igneous, that all our purifications are made in fire, by fire, and with fire. This is the reason why some authors have described these operations under the chemical title of calcinations, because the matter, long subjected to the action of the flame, yields its impure scorched parts to it. Know also that our rock --- veiled in the form of the dragon --- at first allows a dark, evil-smelling, and poisonous liquid to flow, whose thick volatile smoke is extremely toxic. This water, symbolized by the crow, cannot be washed or whitened except by means of fire. This is what the philosophers gave us to understand when, in their enigmatic style, they recommend that the artist cuts off its head. By these fiery ablutions, the water discharges its black coloration and takes on a white color. The crow, decapitated, gives back its soul and loses its feathers. Thus fire, by its frequent reiterated action on water, forces the latter to better defend its specific qualities by abandoning its superfluities. The water contracts, tightens itself to resist Vulcan’s tyrannical influence; it is nourished by fire which aggregates its pure and homogeneous molecules, and finally it is coagulated into a dense corporeal mass, fiery to the extent that the flame remains powerless to further exalt it. For you, unknown brothers of the mysterious city of the sun, we have formed the resolution of teaching the diverse and successive modes of our purifications. You will be thankful to us, we are certain, to have pointed out to you these reefs of the hermetic sea, against which so many inexperienced Argonauts have been shipwrecked. If you want to possess the griffin --- which is our astral stone --- by tearing it from its arsenical ganque, take two parts of virgin earth, our scaly dragon, and one part of the igneous agent, which is that valiant knight armed with the lance and shield. [*152-1] (Ares), more vigorous than Aries, must be in a lesser quantity. Pulverize and add the fifteenth part of this pure, white, admirable salt, washed and crystallized several times, which you must necessarily know. Intimately mix it; and then, following the example of the painful Passion of Our Lord, crucify it with three iron nails, so that the body dies and can then be resurrected. This done, drive away the coarsest sediments from the corpse; crush and triturate the bones; mix the whole thing on a slow heat with a steel rod. Then throw into this mixture half of this second salt, extracted from the dew that fertilizes the earth in the month of May, and you will obtain a body clearer than the preceding one. Repeat the same technique three times; you will reach the matrix of our mercury, and you will have climbed the first rung of the ladder of the sages. When Jesus resurrected the third day after his death, a luminous angel clothed in white alone occupied the empty sepulcher... However, if it suffices to know the secret substance represented by the dragon in order to discover its antagonist, it is essential to know the means that sages employ in order to limit, to temper the excessive ardor of the belligerents. For want of a necessary mediator --- for which we have never found a symbolic interpretation --- the ignorant experimenter would be exposed to grave dangers. Anxious spectator of the drama which he would have imprudently unleashed, he could neither control its phases nor regulate its fury. Fiery projections, sometimes even brutal explosion of the furnace, would be the sad consequences of his temerity. This is why, aware of our responsibility, we urgently beseech those who do not possess this secret to abstain until then. They will thus avoid the fate of an unfortunate priest of the diocese of Avignon, about which the following notice briefly gives an account (2): "Abbot Chapaty thought to have discovered the philosophers’ stone but, unfortunately for him, the crucible burst asunder, the metal exploded against him, attached itself to his face, arms and clothes; he ran in this way along the Infirmaries Street, dragging himself in the gutters as though possessed, and he perished miserably burnt, like a damned person. 1706". When you perceive a noise resembling that of boiling water in the vessel --- a hollow rumbling of the earth, whose entrails fire is tearing out --- be ready to fight and maintain your composure. You will notice smoke and blue, green and violet flames accompanying a series of quick detonations. Once the effervescence has passed and calm has been restored, you will be able to enjoy a magnificent spectacle. On a sea of fire, solid islands form, float on the surface, moving slowly, taking and leaving an infinity of vivid colors; their surface puffs up, bursts in the center, causing them to resemble tiny volcanoes. Then they disappear, being replaced by pretty green transparent balls revolving quickly, hitting one another, and seeming to chase one another, in the midst of multicolored flames and the iridescent reflection of the incandescent bath..
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    In order to understand ancient texts we need to learn their way of speaking and their way of thinking. The word Meteorites didn't exist in ancients times but they were called Baetylus stones, Omphalos stones, falling stars, fireballs, fiery chariot, shooting stars, light from heaven, flaming snakes, dragons, fallen angels, messenger from the god (mercury), fallen lucifer aka Satan etc.

    https://www.ancient-origins.net/unex...eorites-001901

    On this same webpage there is a biblical account of Saul who became Apostle Paul after a vision of "Jesus" on the road to Damascus which resembles meteorite impact. Pay attention the words Paul uses in the Gospel.

    https://www.ancient-origins.net/news...ars-ago-002964

    Compare this biblical account of Apostle Paul with the real sightings of meteorites impact:

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    Quote Originally Posted by True Initiate View Post
    In order to understand ancient texts we need to learn their way of speaking and their way of thinking. The word Meteorites didn't exist in ancients times but they were called Baetylus stones, Omphalos stones, falling stars, fireballs, fiery chariot, shooting stars, light from heaven, flaming snakes, dragons, fallen angels, messenger from the god (mercury), fallen lucifer aka Satan etc.

    https://www.ancient-origins.net/unex...eorites-001901

    On this same webpage there is a biblical account of Saul who became Apostle Paul after a vision of "Jesus" on the road to Damascus which resembles meteorite impact. Pay attention the words Paul uses in the Gospel.

    https://www.ancient-origins.net/news...ars-ago-002964

    Compare this biblical account of Apostle Paul with the real sightings of meteorites impact:

    So then....Satan and Christ for you are the same person? A meterorite?

    Saul was struck blind by Jesus Christ from his throne in Heaven, while on the road to Damascus, he was the only one who heard and saw anything! He had been slaughtering families of the first Christians,for the Sanhedrin, it was no chance occurance...we said Saul....why do you persecute my people, you are persecuting me...I am Jesus. He then instructed him to go to a nearby town where an angel told Anaias to meet him there and restore his sight. He spent the rest of his life setting up communities of Christians throughout Rome and was eventually imprisoned by Nero where he wrote his letters.
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    There is a difference between historical Jesus, biblical Jesus and Paul's vision of Jesus. In my mind they are 3 different things.
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    From the book "Meteorite Nature and Culture" we have this description:

    Mezzotint of the 1783 fireball seen from Winthorpe, Nottinghamshire,signed and captioned by Henry Robinson:‘This extraordinary Phśnomenon was of that Species of Meteor which the great Phisiologist Dr Woodward and others call the Dracovolansor Flying Dragon.’

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    Quote Originally Posted by True Initiate View Post
    I set myself up for high expectations with this thread did i? Oh boy... The most difficult part for me will be to pull out all the tidbits of information from various books and articles of which i didn't kept a track so i need to look for them again. I don't know what Dujol was thinking his practice appears to be totally different from Canseliet and Fulcanelli. In the Dwellings of the Philosophers there are clear descriptions of the Dry Path as we know it:

    Initiates know that our science, although purely natural and simple, is in no way vulgar; the terms we use, following the masters, are no less so. Please pay attention to them, since we have chosen them with care, with the intention of showing the way, of pointing out the potholes which pit it, thus hoping to enlighten the studious and to divert the blind, the greedy, and the unworthy. Learn, you who already know, that all our purifications are igneous, that all our purifications are made in fire, by fire, and with fire. This is the reason why some authors have described these operations under the chemical title of calcinations, because the matter, long subjected to the action of the flame, yields its impure scorched parts to it. Know also that our rock --- veiled in the form of the dragon --- at first allows a dark, evil-smelling, and poisonous liquid to flow, whose thick volatile smoke is extremely toxic. This water, symbolized by the crow, cannot be washed or whitened except by means of fire. This is what the philosophers gave us to understand when, in their enigmatic style, they recommend that the artist cuts off its head. By these fiery ablutions, the water discharges its black coloration and takes on a white color. The crow, decapitated, gives back its soul and loses its feathers. Thus fire, by its frequent reiterated action on water, forces the latter to better defend its specific qualities by abandoning its superfluities. The water contracts, tightens itself to resist Vulcan’s tyrannical influence; it is nourished by fire which aggregates its pure and homogeneous molecules, and finally it is coagulated into a dense corporeal mass, fiery to the extent that the flame remains powerless to further exalt it. For you, unknown brothers of the mysterious city of the sun, we have formed the resolution of teaching the diverse and successive modes of our purifications. You will be thankful to us, we are certain, to have pointed out to you these reefs of the hermetic sea, against which so many inexperienced Argonauts have been shipwrecked. If you want to possess the griffin --- which is our astral stone --- by tearing it from its arsenical ganque, take two parts of virgin earth, our scaly dragon, and one part of the igneous agent, which is that valiant knight armed with the lance and shield. [*152-1] (Ares), more vigorous than Aries, must be in a lesser quantity. Pulverize and add the fifteenth part of this pure, white, admirable salt, washed and crystallized several times, which you must necessarily know. Intimately mix it; and then, following the example of the painful Passion of Our Lord, crucify it with three iron nails, so that the body dies and can then be resurrected. This done, drive away the coarsest sediments from the corpse; crush and triturate the bones; mix the whole thing on a slow heat with a steel rod. Then throw into this mixture half of this second salt, extracted from the dew that fertilizes the earth in the month of May, and you will obtain a body clearer than the preceding one. Repeat the same technique three times; you will reach the matrix of our mercury, and you will have climbed the first rung of the ladder of the sages. When Jesus resurrected the third day after his death, a luminous angel clothed in white alone occupied the empty sepulcher... However, if it suffices to know the secret substance represented by the dragon in order to discover its antagonist, it is essential to know the means that sages employ in order to limit, to temper the excessive ardor of the belligerents. For want of a necessary mediator --- for which we have never found a symbolic interpretation --- the ignorant experimenter would be exposed to grave dangers. Anxious spectator of the drama which he would have imprudently unleashed, he could neither control its phases nor regulate its fury. Fiery projections, sometimes even brutal explosion of the furnace, would be the sad consequences of his temerity. This is why, aware of our responsibility, we urgently beseech those who do not possess this secret to abstain until then. They will thus avoid the fate of an unfortunate priest of the diocese of Avignon, about which the following notice briefly gives an account (2): "Abbot Chapaty thought to have discovered the philosophers’ stone but, unfortunately for him, the crucible burst asunder, the metal exploded against him, attached itself to his face, arms and clothes; he ran in this way along the Infirmaries Street, dragging himself in the gutters as though possessed, and he perished miserably burnt, like a damned person. 1706". When you perceive a noise resembling that of boiling water in the vessel --- a hollow rumbling of the earth, whose entrails fire is tearing out --- be ready to fight and maintain your composure. You will notice smoke and blue, green and violet flames accompanying a series of quick detonations. Once the effervescence has passed and calm has been restored, you will be able to enjoy a magnificent spectacle. On a sea of fire, solid islands form, float on the surface, moving slowly, taking and leaving an infinity of vivid colors; their surface puffs up, bursts in the center, causing them to resemble tiny volcanoes. Then they disappear, being replaced by pretty green transparent balls revolving quickly, hitting one another, and seeming to chase one another, in the midst of multicolored flames and the iridescent reflection of the incandescent bath..
    Hi, sorry if I make it all more difficult!!

    This passage is a modern one, 1920's or so. And it seems that it describes one of the most common operations in spagiry, so I am thinking what's the difference now? Is the second work exactly as Canseliet says? Because I never heard of such path among the Ancients.
    See Tholde, Thesaurum, Maria Profetissa, Lully Clavicle, etc... they all very much different processes/way of thinking...
    I'm sorry for the question but I think it is an important point to think about. At least to me.

    Because it is difficult to read hermetic works, the same simple symbol may mean so many different things, depending on the point of view, perspective, context one puts it in, and so on.

    The only example that flashes to my mind is the "12 Keys of Philosophy" by Valentine or perhaps by Tholle, where we could interpret it in Canseliet's/Alleau's way. But it is not obvious, as much as Tolle in his Coelum Chimicum gives an interpretation of the king eaten by the wolf being gold calcination. And the Mercurial solvent of the 2 fighters being a peculiar solvent made by acqua Fortis mixed with alcohol (extremely dangerous btw)... so the only pliable source could have been something else.

    Anyway it would be indeed intriguing to try the metheors in a dry way...

    PS I'm not excluding Dujols path or such, but I think it is more modern perspective on the antimony/arsenical etc works. I also think that the possible outcome be alchemical, but not complete, aka they not come to complete stone, but just to a point material.

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    The old path was described through the myths of a hero fighting the dragon. I don't think there any old recipes in alchemy dealing with that subject openly. Just above your post i gave an example of meteorite being called a flying dragon.
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    I am reading through a great text called The Betyls of Petra by Robert Wenning in order to post some highlights but the whole text is only 17 pages long so here you go:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...etyls_of_Petra
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    In every ancient culture you look meteorites were worshiped as gift from gods or gods residing in them. Even in Egypt!

    https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/ancien...as-an-iron-orb

    https://www.nature.com/news/iron-in-...-space-1.13091

    “The Pyramid Texts continuously refer to the opening of the iron (calling it by its name, bjA), and its separation from the sky,” she said. “This is a clear metaphor for the opening of the Primeval Egg which the king needs to break in order to reverse the natural order birth-death and be reborn. The sky is an iron container, but it is also Nut’s womb and an egg. A split egg takes an oval shape that resembles the N 41 sign, like a container. It had a recurrent association between opening and regeneration and creation, such as in the Opening of the Mouth ceremony, or the primeval separation between earth and sky.”

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