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    No problem.

    Spore prints are one of the main identification techniques for mushrooms. It helps a lot! I’ve been able to avoid poisoning myself by taking a spore print haha.

    But seriously. At one point I was pretty certain a certain mushroom was edible, but did the spore print anyways. Turned out the print was the wrong color, indicating a poisonous lookalike.
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    Thanks for sharing. That sounds scary. What color should the spore print be for amanita muscaria?

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    don’t know.
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    I think it may be white?

    Fully grown, the bright red cap is usually around 820 cm (38 in) in diameter, although larger specimens have been found. The red colour may fade after rain and in older mushrooms.

    The free gills are white, as is the spore print.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria
    Last edited by Seraphim; 07-06-2021 at 11:48 PM.

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    Don't want to be a killjoy, but you need to be cautious.



    McKenna talks about two Aminata's from same forest can have wildly different levels of muscarine. This also varies with season.


    If you put a fresh one in a bowl overnight, you will almost certainly see little wormies (i.e hence name - fly agaric) have crawled out of it, don't know if that will put you off or not but good to know. Drying may kill them

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    Wormies? Little wormies living inside the Amanita? Interesting. Should the bowl have water in it?

    Thanks for sharing about Amanita.
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    Yea they are the larvae which become the fly's. (fly agaric) Don't want live ones in your stomach

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    That looks like Amanita Muscaria to me, a beautiful example as well.

    Muscimol is the active ingredient you want, the poisonous one is the ibotenic acid. Boiling it in water for 20 minutes will remove the ibotenic acid. After boiling you can dry it in a food dehydrator to be extra safe. Start with a small dosage, like 1g and work your way up to 8g/dose. Have some sillymarin nearby as an antidote just in case, some activated charcoal like 5g may help as well (as an antidote).

    After boiling them, you can put them on the grill and eat them like portabello mushrooms, the heat from the grill will further deactivate any remaining ibotenic acid.

    I always wanted to extract pure Muscimol and sell it commercially but never got around to it. Last time I checked, 1g of Muscimol was $75,000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thoth View Post
    Yea they are the larvae which become the fly's. (fly agaric) Don't want live ones in your stomach
    Ah, thank you so larvae are like little babies (live ones) living inside the Amanita Muscaria? And when they become adults (flys) they grow wings? Don't want live ones in our stomach? Ok good advice. Thank you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Scrooge View Post
    That looks like Amanita Muscaria to me, a beautiful example as well.

    Muscimol is the active ingredient you want, the poisonous one is the ibotenic acid. Boiling it in water for 20 minutes will remove the ibotenic acid. After boiling you can dry it in a food dehydrator to be extra safe. Start with a small dosage, like 1g and work your way up to 8g/dose. Have some sillymarin nearby as an antidote just in case, some activated charcoal like 5g may help as well (as an antidote).

    After boiling them, you can put them on the grill and eat them like portabello mushrooms, the heat from the grill will further deactivate any remaining ibotenic acid.

    I always wanted to extract pure Muscimol and sell it commercially but never got around to it. Last time I checked, 1g of Muscimol was $75,000.

    Thanks for your kind words Uncle Scrooge. I am glad it looks like Amanita Muscaria.

    I will have to try boiling it in water next time to remove the poisonous (penetrating?) ibotenic acid, it is hang drying right now. Here are some current pics if anyone is curious.





    Also for comparison here is a photo of the psilocybe cubensis (gold cap?) i think, ingested a little yesterday because all of this scary talk, i didn't want to be rusty.



    So we want Muscimol (active ingredient) and not the poisonous one ibotenic acid? I don't know if i have a food dehydrator at this time? That sounds useful for preparation. I don't know if i have any sillymarin or activated charcoal laying around? They sound very helpful as an antidote. Thanks for sharing about Amanita Muscaria.

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    Last edited by Seraphim; 07-11-2021 at 11:22 PM. Reason: spelling

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    An addendum to the Amanita species contains the Amotoxins which are VERY TOXIC but the amanita muscaria instead has Isoxazole, and the main components are ibotenic acid and muscimol, ibotenic acid does not kill, but causes nausea and vomiting, but by decarboxylation the acid ibotenic can be converted to Muscimol!

    It must first be dried at 195 to modify 30%, add something acidic like lemon juice, and ferment into a product with bacteria like yogurt.

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