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    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    Both. That's the part that confuses a lot of people. The alchemists always talk about the influence of the Moon AND the Sun (and also the Stars).

    But the interesting thing is that the Moon is what reflects the light of the Sun to the earth. Thus moonlight is actually sunlight reflected by its spouse. Actual direct sunlight is often considered very dangerous and destructive for alchemical substances. Moonlight, on the other hand, is much more subtle and constructive. Thus our water is exposed in the open air during nights when the moon is full, the winds are light, and the sky is clear.
    Yes ... I have seen this point of view mentioned many times over the years, but I'm not a follower
    of this practice for the Great Work.

    Though I do believe it is of assistance in the Test protocol.


    Venus / "HIM" is most potent with an enormous amount of Energy.

    When we consider transmuting 1KG of lead (Pb) to gold (Au) the huge concentration of Energy
    that is required for this work with just a small piece of the Stone.

    Do you have any ideas as to where this massive amount of Energy might come from ?

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    Hi Mr. Andro

    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    It's much more than that. It's one of the major ways to obtain our First ("virgin") Earth. But there are other ways, too.

    I personally don't know anyone who works this way, no one I know is aware of this simple process.

    Like I wrote before, I believe Christophorus has "stumbled" upon it in his own way, and noticed the peculiarity of this phenomenon, enough to pursue further study.



    It does tell a big story, but it has nothing to do with anything you wrote above.

    Here, we're not dealing with Potassium Hydroxide or any other Hygroscopic Salt.

    Our "First Earth" is not hygroscopic at all. Nor does it dissolve in either polar or non-polar solvents.

    The "Magnetic Coalescence of the Earth with the Sky" is actually the first "dissolution", but it's not really a dissolution, but a liquefaction of the matter. BIG difference.

    Common Deliquescence has nothing to do with it, unless, as some writers are joking, one has reason to do additional work.

    For example, if we repeatedly dissolve and coagulate Potash in the open air (via common deliquescence), after many cycles of Solve & Coagula it will at some point become insoluble and no longer hygroscopic.

    There we start to get to the "interesting" stuff, but this process can be avoided entirely by rendering the First Earth directly, as I mentioned above.

    Note: All this stuff I'm talking about is stuff I've done myself, experimentally.
    I keep reading this post over and over trying to get a feel for it.

    What I continue to come up with is that this is a process you are using to arrive
    at .... our First ("virgin") Earth.

    I totally concede there are many roads to Rome and even more to the Great Work.

    Some of the old Masters may refer to .... our First ("virgin") Earth as Venus.

    Am I correct to assume this and do you view ... our First ("virgin") Earth as Venus ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    Both. That's the part that confuses a lot of people. The alchemists always talk about the influence of the Moon AND the Sun (and also the Stars).

    https://picryl.com/media/mutus-liber-b73f52?zoom=true
    Thanks for addressing that issue. You refer to a plate of mutus liber, which is probably the only book that "speaks" openly and without secrecy about the Opus. According to that plate, it seems to me that the influence of sun and moon is already incorporated into the water we collect because it came from the atmosphere. The "alchemical salt" in the atmosphere has already been exposed to the various lights, until we collect it as dew or rain. As I see it, there is no other plate or reference in mutus liber that requires us to further expose the collected water to the elements.

    What is your opinion on that?

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    To complement the previous post,



    we see in that plate the water emanating as droplets from a not shown source above the plate (probably it is "God"). During their descension towards earth they receive the influence of the luminaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theFool View Post
    To complement the previous post,



    we see in that plate the water emanating as droplets from a not shown source above the plate (probably it is "God"). During their descension towards earth they receive the influence of the luminaries.
    Hi thefool...

    The field in which they collect water from their water traps
    has a cow on the left and bull on the right.
    Why not lions or ducks ?
    What is different in the earth where cows and bulls graze, compared to other animals ?
    The water traps in these fields also collect the moisture that settled on this ground then evaporated again.

    The field where the cow and bull graze is water logged.
    The sun re heats this water, it hangs in the air because its not hot enough to keep rising, the water cooling in the air descends down and condenses on the sheets which absorb this vapour.

    The sun and moon are temperature symbols.
    Hot vapour rising, fewer clouds, clearer sky. Dry fire.
    Cool vapour descending. More clouds. Dark Rain clouds.
    Moist fire.
    Both fires at the same time needed for the alchemical process

    To show the alchemical process clearly

    Water and earth

    The water on the ground is absorbed by the earth.
    The water mixes with particles in the earth. Changing it.
    " the nurse its earth " the earth tinges the water.

    This fufills the requirement that the water must descend
    And recieve the terrestrial power, which means tinging of the water by the earth that absorbed it.

    Earth and air

    The sun heats the ground causing a reverse cappilary action for the water, it rises up from the earth but only the finest particles that were in the earth go up with the rising vapour.
    The finest particles are trapped in a heavier moisture or mass than themselves. The water vapour is not hot enough to evaporate completly and hangs in the air before descending.

    Air and fire

    The water rises and hangs in the air, fufilling the requirement of recieving the celestisal power, which is the tinged vapour containing the fine trapped particles from.the earth, having the sun evaporating away the lighter moisture around them.
    Leaving only the heavier moisture in the air that was mixed with the earth and picked up those fine particles.

    Earth water air and fire together.

    That heavier vapour then descends and condenses onto the sheets after recieving both terrestrial and celestial power.

    The 5th.element or essence are the fine particles
    That have split up.and recombined within the 3 states of matter, solid liquid gas, using each element as a vessel.

    Its one process without breaks. Over and over again.
    The moisture becoming fully saturated with the fine particles from the earth.and the particles passing through the 3 states of matter, being split apart and recombining.
    Traveling from earth into water, water into air, air into fire then back to water drunk up by the same earth.

    Its a very informative picture. Thanks for posting it.
    Last edited by Kibric; 09-12-2021 at 09:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    What I continue to come up with is that this is a process you are using to arrive at .... our First ("virgin") Earth.
    You continue to come up with what I have already written explicitly

    I've already described the attributes of this Earth and where it actually becomes an Earth, before that only being much less "corporeal", in the Air/Aer/Aether.

    1. It "floats" on the surface of the Water.

    2. It has an affinity with the oily stratum that forms on the surface of the Water (I assume that's exactly what Christophorus described in one of his Water Experiments).

    3. It has to be separated from the "Slimy Stratum" it appears in (not difficult).

    4. Its Origin is apparently not from the Water itself, or at least not entirely. However, both the Water and the Vessel(s) are extremely easy and cheap to obtain. Still, not all Waters are the same. Good Water is better than bad Water

    5. Its corporeal constitution appears to be similar to Calx/Lime (St. Didier) but it's not exactly the same.

    6. It is tasteless, odorless and insoluble in both polar and non-polar solvents.

    7. It is inert (does not "release its energy") unless first liquefied and "opened" by its "Spirit" counterpart. Then it becomes the "First Mercury", or "Mercury Simplex".

    8. In and of itself, it has no medicinal or transmuting properties whatsoever, because it is still fully "locked" or "sealed".

    9. Conjecture: This matter MAY be very similar in properties to the inert "Ormus" precipitate, after washing ALL the other salts away. I'm talking OCD-level washing

    10.
    What I'm writing here is not just from my own experimental practice, but is also strongly supported by the relevant literature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibric View Post
    The field in which they collect water from their water traps
    has a cow on the left and bull on the right.
    Why not lions or ducks ?
    This is a reference to the time of year the water must be collected. The animals are a lamb and a bull, a reference to constellations of aries and taurus.

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    Sorry my mis identification. You might find this interesting.

    In plants, generally the leafy parts are relatively high in calcium and low in phosphorus, whereas the reverse is true of the seeds or grain. Legumes, in general, have a higher calcium content than grasses. As grasses mature, phosphorus is transferred to the seed (grain). Furthermore, the phosphorus content of the plant is influenced markedly by the availability of phosphorus in the soil. Therefore, low-quality pasture devoid of legumes and range plants tends to be naturally low in phosphorus, particularly as the forage matures and the seeds fall.

    Sheep subsisting on mature, brown, summer forage and winter range sometimes develop a phosphorus deficiency. Sheep kept on such forages or fed low-quality hay with no grain should be provided a phosphorus supplement (ie, defluorinated rock phosphate) added to a salt-trace mineral mixture. Because most forages have a relatively high calcium content, particularly if there is a mixture of legumes, diets usually meet maintenance requirements for this element. However, when corn silage or other feeds from the cereal grains are fed exclusively, ground limestone should be fed daily at the rate of 0.02–0.03 lb (9–14 g).

    Sheep seem to be able to tolerate wide calciumhosphorus ratios as long as their diets contain more calcium than phosphorus. However, an excess of phosphorus may be conducive to development of urinary calculi or osteodystrophy. A calciumhosphorus ratio of 1.5:1 is appropriate for feedlot lambs. For pregnant ewes, the diet should contain ≥0.18% and, for lactating ewes, ≥0.27%. A content of 0.2%–0.4% calcium is considered adequate, as long as the ratio is maintained between 1:1 and 2:1.
    Ground limestone fed...

    https://www.msdvetmanual.com/managem...ments-of-sheep

    This is a reference to the time of year the water must be collected. The animals are a lamb and a bull, a reference to constellations of aries and taurus.
    It can mean more than one thing. For a coded guide it would make sense. Where are the other stars ?
    Only the sun and moon.

    Aries element is fire. Taurus element is earth.
    Lamb is Aries, the Sun, Fire. On the left.
    Bull is Taurus, the Moon, Earth. On the right.
    Lamb and bull both also.codes for temperature as well time of the year.

    Time of year in code.
    Temperature in code.
    Process in code.
    Materia in code.
    All using same symbols.

    Preservation of information in a coded pictogram.
    Same symbols.multiple meanings. A hidden guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    You continue to come up with what I have already written explicitly

    I've already described the attributes of this Earth and where it actually becomes an Earth, before that only being much less "corporeal", in the Air/Aer/Aether.

    1. It "floats" on the surface of the Water.

    2. It has an affinity with the oily stratum that forms on the surface of the Water (I assume that's exactly what Christophorus described in one of his Water Experiments).

    3. It has to be separated from the "Slimy Stratum" it appears in (not difficult).

    4. Its Origin is apparently not from the Water itself, or at least not entirely. However, both the Water and the Vessel(s) are extremely easy and cheap to obtain. Still, not all Waters are the same. Good Water is better than bad Water

    5. Its corporeal constitution appears to be similar to Calx/Lime (St. Didier) but it's not exactly the same.

    6. It is tasteless, odorless and insoluble in both polar and non-polar solvents.

    7. It is inert (does not "release its energy") unless first liquefied and "opened" by its "Spirit" counterpart. Then it becomes the "First Mercury", or "Mercury Simplex".

    8. In and of itself, it has no medicinal or transmuting properties whatsoever, because it is still fully "locked" or "sealed".

    9. Conjecture: This matter MAY be very similar in properties to the inert "Ormus" precipitate, after washing ALL the other salts away. I'm talking OCD-level washing

    10.
    What I'm writing here is not just from my own experimental practice, but is also strongly supported by the relevant literature.
    Thank you for going to the trouble of laying this out so clearly for me.

    Now I have a much clearer understanding of this protocol you are using.

    In 7. You mention opening this earth with a Spirit ..... first liquefied and
    "opened" by its "Spirit" counterpart.

    It sounds like you have actually worked upon this Earth with it's Spirit to
    get a Mercury Simplex.

    If this is correct ... then many congratulations to you.

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    Hi theFool
    Quote Originally Posted by theFool View Post
    This is a reference to the time of year the water must be collected. The animals are a lamb and a bull, a reference to constellations of aries and taurus.
    In the house of Aries by way of the bull

    Out of the earth I did gradually pull

    With much care and sagacity

    The Key to Gods Treasury.

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