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    Thank you for your response Mr. Andro, I do appreciate hearing your opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    There are even more Potent Sources, and they are not from the typical Mineral/Metallic Realm.
    Would you please share some possible examples or quotes from where this idea may have come from ?

    Even the Great Work with Gold is still considered a "Particular" of sorts, as opposed to the more "Universal" way, with another Matter(s).

    The Gold (Au) Work can ONLY be a Particular and the Only way to get to that Gold
    Particular is via the "UNIVERSAL" Mercury.

    All Alchemic Particulars come via the "Universal Mercury".

    There is no other way.

    The "Central Salt" can be obtained via certain "Waters".

    This is a most important point, so clarity is paramount.

    When you say "Central Salt" are you referring to the "Universal Mercury" ?


    And its "Spirit" counterpart should be sought in that which is Incommensurable, e.g. that which has plenty of "Mass" but no measurable "Magnitude" (yet), at least not in the Spacial "Cartesian Coordinates" sense.

    I haven't found anything pertaining to this theory in the old Masters books.

    Is this a New Age idea ?

    Also there can be no "Mass" outside this Construct.

    Other Paths (such as Metallic/Mineral, etc.) may still render good, measurable, tangible results, even small scale transmutations, but FAR from the "miraculous" potency and properties described in the writings of the Good Authors.

    The highest potency on Earth available to man is in the Mineral/Metallic Realm, this
    is the easiest and most profitable place to obtain what we need for our Alchemic Work.

    The "Only Way" to get to the "miraculous" potency and properties described in the writings of the Good Authors. .... is by Numerous Multiplications of the Stone to increase it's Virtue / Potency.

    As this Virtue is Multiplied higher and higher, then the amount of the Stone required for a given transmutation becomes less with each increase in Virtue.

    My best suggestion, for the Highest Potency, is to seek HIM in that which is Incommensurable.

    Are you suggesting that the Divine is "Incommensurable" ?

    The "Highest Potencies" are only Gifted by the Divine after the Stone is completed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    When you say "Central Salt" are you referring to the "Universal Mercury"?
    When I say "Central Salt", I'm referring to the Central Salt.

    Recall "The Birth of Venus". I'd even go further and say "Our Venus".

    See ICH's "Hermes Trismegistus Old and True Natural Path".

    Read what ICH has to say about "our" Venus and how/where "she" comes into being, and what occurs during the "Secret Coalescence" of Earth and Sky.

    One of the best books by FAR. Others books pale in comparison (IMO).

    Note WHERE "Venus" is born/emerging from, and WHAT she is standing in/on. If this Painting is not the Epitome of Explicitness, I don't know what is...



    Other than that, I have already clearly and plentifully elaborated on this subject. No need to repeat myself (too much)...

    Ultimately, ALL is Spirit. Simplicity is the Seal of Truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    Also there can be no "Mass" outside this Construct.
    Right.

    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    Is this a New Age idea?
    If you consider the likes of Pythagoras and Plato to be "New Age", then yes, sure

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    Thanks for sharing everyone. <3




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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    Note WHERE "Venus" is born/emerging from, and WHAT she is standing in/on. If this Painting is not the Epitome of Explicitness, I don't know what is...

    Thank you Mr. Andro for this most beautiful representation of one of the many
    paths to the "Central Salt".

    Have you had any success with this process ?

    This is a process that an old Master Alchemist would have tutored his apprentice
    to study and work through.

    The hands-on work can take several months to a year or more.

    With modern chemistry and modern glassware we can collect a large amount of
    "highly" concentrated and Pure "HIM" in only a few short hours.

    But understanding how nature works and a deep understanding of chemistry and it's
    practice is most imperative to be successful in this work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    Have you had any success with this process?
    The hands-on work can take several months to a year or more.
    Collecting a workable amount of this Salt took me two-three days.

    This Salt rises to the top of our water under certain conditions.

    For more quantity of this Salt, one simply uses more vessels and more water, both of which are easy, handy and cheap to obtain for everyone.

    Ali Puli (among others) is quite explicit about the required "ingredients" for this ridiculously simple process, which basically occurs with hardly any intervention.

    I believe Christophorus mentioned the appearance of such a salt in one of his experiments. I believe he's doing something very right

    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    With modern chemistry and modern glassware we can collect a large amount of
    "highly" concentrated and Pure "HIM" in only a few short hours.
    Have you had any actual success with this process? Or is it just information received from the All-Knowing? Not teasing, just curious.

    tAlchemist was right, you do start to sound like Schmuldvitch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    When I say "Central Salt", I'm referring to the Central Salt.

    Recall "The Birth of Venus". I'd even go further and say "Our Venus".

    See ICH's "Hermes Trismegistus Old and True Natural Path".
    Hi Andro, I've read this work several times, and it is indeed a treasure. Specifically where in the work is the mention of the Birth of Venus?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    Where in the work is the mention of the Birth of Venus?
    On page 40 of the bilingual version, he first refers to it as "Venus", when he discusses the "Secret Solution" or the "Magic Marriage" or the "Magnetic Coalescence of the Earth with the Sky". He explains how our "Venus," via this "Magnetic Coalescence", is "dissolved" into a water, but this is not entirely technically accurate. The better word is "liquefied", because it is not a common dissolution. The result of this "Magnetic Coalescencee" between "Earth & Sky" gives us the First Mercury, sometimes referred to as "Common Mercury" (NOT "vulgar" Hg) and also as "Mercury Simplex" (Urbigerus, Citculatum Majus). It is not YET "our" Philosophical Mercury.

    You can compare this to Hermetic Recreations, especially where it mentions the difficulty to dissolve "The Matter" (which is "of a Calx/Lime nature" as per St. Didier, and also see where Venus is born in the Painting), unless going back to the same "Universal Source", to bring render its "Spirit" counterpart (the one containing the "Acid Principle").

    In previous chapters, especially in the Introduction, ICH also discusses the possible Origins of our "Venus" or "Magnet" in greater detail.

    Moreover, Ali Puli is surprisingly and uncharacteristically explicit in describing what is required for our "Central Salt" to form (in "Centrum Naturae Concentratum").

    It is those Authors that I mostly followed when rendering this "Matter", plus additional clues from here and there and a healthy dose of Clear Thinking, further complemented by vivid dream guidance from my own "past" lives memories...

    Additionally, and this is not something I can explain chemically, this "Venus/Central Salt" seems to have a special affinity to form in more "oily" environments, and it also ascends to the top of the "water" in the vessel.
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    I don't know if this fits here but it felt right, sorry for any typos or any notes that are out of order, please move wherever you feel is relevant.

    What you shared Andro reminds me of this.



    "It behoveth therefore to dissolve and melt these Bodies by our Water and to make them a Permanent Water, a Golden Water sublimed, leaving in the bottom, the Gross, Earthly and Superfluous dry. And in this Sublimation the Fire ought to be soft & Gentle.

    For if in this Sublimation the Bodies be not Purified in a lent or slow Fire, and the Grosser Earthly Parts separated from the Uncleanness of the Dead, thou shalt be hindred from ever making thy Work Perfect. For thou needed only this Subtle and Light Nature of the dissolved Bodies which our Water will easily give thee if thou proceed with a slow Fire, for it will separate the Heterogeneal from the Homogeneal.

    ...

    Let therefore the hard and dry Bodies be put into our First Water in a Vessel well shut, where they may abide until they be dissolved and ascend on high and then they may be called a New Body.

    ...

    For in such a Dissolution and Natural Sublimation there is made a loosing or an untying of the Elements, a cleansing and a separation of the Pure from the Impure, so that the Pure and White ascendeth upwards, and the Impure & Earthly fixed remains in the bottom of the Water or the Vessel which must be taken away and removed because it is of no value, taking only the middle White substance flowing and melting and leaving the Feculent Earth which remained below in the bottom, which came principally from the Water and is the Dross and the Damned Earth, which is nothing worth, nor can ever do any good as doth the Pure clear White and clean Matter which we ought only to take.

    ...

    Note therefore that this Separation, Division, and Sublimation is without a doubt the whole Work.

    After the Putrefaction then & Dissolution of these Bodies, our Bodies do lift Themselves up to the surface of the Dissolving Water in the colour of Whiteness & this Whiteness is Life;

    ...

    And in this Whiteness is the Soul infused into the Body that is the Mineral Virtue which is more Subtle than Fire, being indeed the True Quintessence and Life which desireth to born & put off the Gross Earthly Faeces which it hath taken from the Menstruous & Corrupt place of his Original. And in this our Philosophical Sublimation not in the naughty Common Mercury which hath no Qualities like unto them wherewith Our Mercury drawn from his Vitriolic Caverns is adorned. But let us return to our Sublimation.

    It is therefore most certain in this Art that this Soule drawn from the Bodies cannot be lifted up but by putting to of a Volatile Thing which is of his own Kind, by the which the Bodies are made Volatile and Spiritual, lifting up Subtiliating and Subliming Themselves against their own proper Nature which which is Corporeal heavy and Ponderous.

    And by this means they are made no Bodies, but Incorporeal and a Quintessence of the Nature of the Spirit which is called by Hermes his Bird and Mercury drawn from the Red Servant; and so the Earthly Parts remain below, which cannot by any wit or device of Man be Perfectly dissolved.

    ...

    For our Second Living Water is called Azot washing the Leton, that is the Body compounded of the Sun and Moon by our First Water. This Second Water is also called the Soule of our dissolved Bodies, of which Bodies we have already tied the Souls together to the end that they may serve the wise Philosophers.

    O how Perfect and Magnificent is this Water, for without it the Work could never be brought to pass! It is also called the Vessel of Nature, the Belly, the Womb, the Receptacle of the Tincture, the Earth and the Nurse.

    It is the Fountain in which the King and Queen wash themselves and the Mother which must be put and sealed in the Belly of her Infant, that is, the Sun which proceeded from her, and which shee brought forth: and therefore they love one another as a Mother and a Son and are easily joyned together because they came from One and the same Root and are of the same substance & Nature."


    - Artephius, His Secret Booke
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    Hi Mr. Andro

    I have read through your last two posts here, the parts referenced in I.H.C. and
    "The Central Salt" thread.

    I have some answers to your questions ... but firstly I would be interested in
    hearing if you plan to continue with Alchemic lab work ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    I would be interested in hearing if you plan to continue with Alchemic lab work?
    Taking it in a somewhat different direction, but yes, definitively.

    Everything's been on hold because of the big relocation, but we're going to pick up where we left once we've settled in.

    Also, there's very good Sun here where we are now, so we'll get to play with the ole mirrors some more... and with other "weird" devices we've designed...

    We're in a near-perfect location for this stuff now
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