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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    Are you trying to set yourself up as some sort of "Authority" on the matter? Like your attempt to be the one metric of "correctness" in your other divination games?
    An "Authority" no .... but I would like to be of assistance where it is accepted
    if possible.

    You evaded my question, which you also asked me: Did YOU have any Success in the Work with your methods?

    Yes I have had some success, and have been granted a toe in the Door so to speak.
    If I hadn't I would not be able to make these comments.

    As for the "misconceptions", the sentiment is entirely mutual

    I would expect nothing less ... this Great Work is about correcting our misconceptions !

    Please share what you will, regardless of what you may perceive as "misconceptions".

    Yes, I will gladly share what I can.

    Everything is Spirit. All the other names and terms are referring to different states/manifestations/coagulations of the very same Sub-Stance.

    How very true Mr. Andro ... It would be better if we ignored the names of things
    and just concentrated on the processes.

    There were a few other members that have a toe in the door but they don't post
    on the forum anymore ...

    I can't speak for them personally, but it is possible they might not wish to be viewed
    as some sort of ..... "Authority" on the matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    An "Authority" no .... but I would like to be of assistance where it is accepted if possible.
    Then by all means! But it's a lot about the HOW as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    There were a few other members that have a toe in the door but they don't post on the forum anymore ...

    I can't speak for them personally, but it is possible they might not wish to be viewed as some sort of ..... "Authority" on the matter?
    Quite a few of those members still post on other forums, in their own native languages (German, French, Spanish, Italian, etc...)

    I suspect that most Alchemical Authors wrote their books before actually completing the Work. Many of them may have not completed it at all...

    We teach & share until we truly learn ourselves. Then we go silent and likely disappear from any public eye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    Then by all means! But it's a lot about the HOW as well.
    How true, someone could have 100 liters of SM but if they don't know what to
    do with it .... then it is almost useless.

    Quite a few of those members still post on other forums, in their own native languages (German, French, Spanish, Italian, etc...)

    Yes some do ... I keep in touch with several of them.

    I suspect that most Alchemical Authors wrote their books before actually completing the Work. Many of them may have not completed it at all...

    I agree with this .... many of the books were Divinely written and the authors did not fully understand what they had written.

    There are many levels to the comprehension.

    We teach & share until we truly learn ourselves. Then we go silent and likely disappear from any public eye.

    Some do .... some don't.

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    To be frank black you havent shown any of your workings ever publically. Basically no one has and yet from armchairs speak with so called authority.
    You are an authority on the matter of alchemy
    If you have extensive practical experience
    Have read alchemy texts nearly every week of your life
    Have shared your experiments and evidence of proof for your path.
    I can count on.one hand those people including me.

    Armchair alchemist says so much without saying anything.

    P.s sorry andro will get bk to your question in other thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    It's much more than that. It's one of the major ways to obtain our First ("virgin") Earth. But there are other ways, too.

    I personally don't know anyone who works this way, no one I know is aware of this simple process.

    Like I wrote before, I believe Christophorus has "stumbled" upon it in his own way, and noticed the peculiarity of this phenomenon, enough to pursue further study.
    I'm doing it. Or at least exploring to understand.
    One thing I noticed, is that the air plays a part in the process. In a closed crucible, I'm not getting the same results.

    From I.C.H.
    "Our salt in the air is not salt, but only a spirit, and will only inside the water become a salt."

    Then from Genesis, we know that the S.M. "floated above the waters"

    Now I'm trying to link this with the shells and the texts that all of you wrote here.
    A+M+D+G+
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    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    How true, someone could have 100 liters of SM but if they don't know what to do with it .... then it is almost useless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Andro View Post
    But it's a lot about the HOW as well.
    I meant how we say the things that we say. On the two extremes, we can either share from a place of cooperation, or preach from a self-assumed position of authority. Big difference. We all have our moments on this spectrum

    Quote Originally Posted by Kibric View Post
    P.s sorry Andro will get bk to your question in other thread.
    What question was it? I lost track

    Quote Originally Posted by Christophorus View Post
    One thing I noticed, is that the air plays a part in the process. In a closed crucible, I'm not getting the same results.
    Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by Christophorus View Post
    Then from Genesis, we know that the S.M. "floated above the waters"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibric View Post
    To be frank black you havent shown any of your workings ever publically. Basically no one has and yet from armchairs speak with so called authority.
    You are an authority on the matter of alchemy
    If you have extensive practical experience
    Have read alchemy texts nearly every week of your life
    Have shared your experiments and evidence of proof for your path.
    I can count on.one hand those people including me.

    Armchair alchemist says so much without saying anything.
    Hi Kibric

    I get the feeling that you are angry at me.

    Is this correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post


    With that process we can use potassium carbonate made from pot ash, but what the Old Masters found to be even better was Potassium Hydroxide.
    Hi Black, while potassium carbonate and potassium hydroxide are used in some approaches, in the picture that Andro posted, the chemical content of the shell is not to be taken literally but allegorically. It is Venus who arises from the shell in the ocean into the open air as a pearl of the oyster.

    The shell and pearl can also be considered as the overall feminine sex organ.

    Why Venus (copper) you may ask? We have already mentioned the feminine aspect. But notice the symbol for Venus itself. It is the same as the symbol for Mercury but only misses the curved Moon symbol at the top.

    The symbol for Mercury includes the symbol of the Sun, the symbol of the Moon and the symbol for "spirit". [Fulcanelli said: "In alchemical notation, any cross bar, whatever its direction, is the conventional graphic signature for the spirit, a fact worth remembering, should one desire to uncover what body is hidden under the epithet of philosophical gold, father of mercury, and sun of the Work"].

    Thus this incomplete or primitive Mercury requires the influences of the Moon in the open air before it releases its pearls and becomes a more complete Mercury.

    It also requires the fecundating male influence of the Sun. The light of the full Moon is the reflected light of the Sun. The symbol for Mars is the symbol of the Sun with an erect penis which it uses to penetrate Venus to produce a son.
    Last edited by Illen A. Cluf; 09-11-2021 at 03:12 PM.

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    Hi Illen, thank you for this response.

    Quote Originally Posted by Illen A. Cluf View Post
    Hi Black, while potassium carbonate and potassium hydroxide are used in some approaches, in the picture that Andro posted, the chemical content of the shell is not to be taken literally but allegorically. It is Venus who arises from the shell in the ocean into the open air as a pearl of the oyster.
    Yes I agree with this view of the allegory ... But there are several levels of understanding through the allegory.

    Venus is "The New Pearl of Great Price".

    Why Venus (copper) you may ask? We have already mentioned the feminine aspect. But notice the symbol for Venus itself. It is the same as the symbol for Mercury but only misses the curved Moon symbol at the top.

    The symbol for Mercury includes the symbol of the Sun, the symbol of the Moon and the symbol for "spirit". [Fulcanelli said: "In alchemical notation, any cross bar, whatever its direction, is the conventional graphic signature for the spirit, a fact worth remembering, should one desire to uncover what body is hidden under the epithet of philosophical gold, father of mercury, and sun of the Work"].

    As you state about this symbology, it is very important to show how all the parts of the Work are of the same "Family" or lineage so to speak.

    Thus this incomplete or primitive Mercury requires the influences of the Moon in the open air before it releases its pearls and becomes a more complete Mercury.

    It also requires the fecundating male influence of the Sun. The light of the full Moon is the reflected light of the Sun. The symbol for Mars is the symbol of the Sun with an erect penis which it uses to penetrate Venus to produce a son.

    Are you suggesting here that the Work actually needs moonlight or sunlight ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by black View Post
    Are you suggesting here that the Work actually needs moonlight or sunlight ?
    Both. That's the part that confuses a lot of people. The alchemists always talk about the influence of the Moon AND the Sun (and also the Stars).

    But the interesting thing is that the Moon is what reflects the light of the Sun to the earth. Thus moonlight is actually sunlight reflected by its spouse. Actual direct sunlight is often considered very dangerous and destructive for alchemical substances. Moonlight, on the other hand, is much more subtle and constructive. Thus our water is exposed in the open air during nights when the moon is full, the winds are light, and the sky is clear.


    https://picryl.com/media/mutus-liber-b73f52?zoom=true
    Last edited by Illen A. Cluf; 09-12-2021 at 02:16 AM.

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